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Raymond

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  1. This forum has been so great for me! You are all great contributors. You insights have kept me humble and even more open to absorption. Keep up your great works! Ray
  2. This is fascinating for me to envision the spirit of one individual hovering/encompassing an entire world(s), unfragmented, that can communicate on an individual basis with me.
  3. I have had a private inquiry with Bonita regarding the spirit of truth; since I had recalled that she had mentioned or that is referred to 'the Spirit of Truth' as a person sometime ago in one of her posts. For all the years I've been reading the UB I always forseen this spirit as an all encompassing force of our Creator Son utilized as an aide in recognizing both truth and beauty as represented by the Father-Son, Creator Son. Bonita has provided me with some quotes that refer to this Spirit as a 'he' or 'him' which I took to be in reference to a masculine spirit-force not a person. Perhaps an entity that is a personal entity? Am I the only one that always thought this way?!
  4. Alina, I believe you hit on something for me! Let me think these thoughts over and pray on it. Thank you.
  5. In other words I have to achieve godlikeness to attain to deity-likeness.
  6. I have achieved deity-likeness by personal unification of all my parts i.e: the 4 actuals.
  7. Let me see if by my left-handed thinking, if I were to say that my deity-likeness is due to my unique individualistic unification of my parts by choosing those godlike attributes which will bring harmony and balance to my selfhood. Then could I say, that by this process of synthesization that my parts are made whole - that is to act as 'oneness' - I now can be godlike, acting as a whole person, once I achieve this 'oneness' of my total being - deity-likeness. Does this make any sense to you all?
  8. Alina, I was thinking in the realm of the totality that is discerned by deity-BEING; the realm of totality discerned by a human-BEING - then the personalization of deity-BEING - selfhood; and the personalization of human-BEING - selfhood. The term God always refers to the personal - no? We can become personal - godlike, then in what way do we become deity-like in reference to the totality of our reality. Looking for descriptive references here. I'm not sure how else to word this?
  9. Alina, I've been following this topic and I still question what is a concept of our being godlike in contradistinction to diety-likeness; thus far have seen nothing in dialouge addressing this. Do you have your own concept or do you know where references or inferences are in the UB?
  10. Thinking out loud - "Love comprehension of Deity" may be seeing the totality of the person, the Universal Father, whose nature we comprehend as T,B, & G - must also create within these paramaters and therefore be inclusive of three lights. As Alina stated - balanced and harmonized. The individual scientist, philosopher, or religionists undoubtedly may have biased viewpoints. That is their own problems. I certainly had difficulties in overcoming strictly material humanitarian insights to become a spiritualized and personalized human being. Love applications may be prepersonal, personal, and superpersonal. Do I not have a deity-level personality capable of these applications as I become god-like person? If I apply love impartially i.e. justice do I still call it love? Do I not need wisdom when utilizing love personally or in other applications: master-slave relations, husband-wife relations, parent-child relations, brotherly-sisterly relations, love of career etc..The crux then is to love the sinner but not the sin in a sense I may love you but not in your totality because then I would love you as deity in all your totality. Still hammering it out...........
  11. (648.3) 56:10.20 To finite man truth, beauty, and goodness embrace the full revelation of divinity reality. As this love-comprehension of Deity finds spiritual expression in the lives of God-knowing mortals, there are yielded the fruits of divinity: intellectual peace, social progress, moral satisfaction, spiritual joy, and cosmic wisdom. The advanced mortals on a world in the seventh stage of light and life have learned that love is the greatest thing in the universe — and they know that God is love. (648.4) 56:10.21 Love is the desire to do good to others. "Love comprehension of Deity" is quite different than one-on-one love relation with God, the personalization of Deity, that we can have a relationship with. Now the door is open for what is our Deity-likeness and how do we interpret this "love comprehension of Deity?"
  12. Alina, we're back to the foreward, whereby definitions on Deity and God are given. We're told we reach religious maturity when we recognize personal Deity after first having an understanding of our personal God. I reiterate that the Universal Father as manifested Personal Paradise Deity personalizes. As God, the Universal Father - we can share a relationship with. Yet, this same God, the Universal Father can also act as Deity. The only way I was able to visualize such divergencies was by picturing one ball of exploding power as the one unified source. Yea, a compression of the Infinite One from the Infinitude as self-recognition. Yet, if you continue to look at this power as it 'flickers' - you'll see the various manifestations of His Deity Powers manifested as the 7 absolutes. For me this satisfies both the maps and the map readers. Never before have we been given such a revelation when distinguishing an Infinite Deity.
  13. Dear Bradly , thank you - I now dare to ask if socialism and comminism in theory is to be viewed as anathem to our econmic capitalistic system or cannot something be learned and utilized to progress to a service motive? Would that not be a sign of progress and growth? Or do you see or foresee something other not yet conceived or tried as of yet. Your economic knowledge would have a deeper insight than mine. Knowning full well that communism is atheistic in practice and in theory. Socialism as far as I know is not this. I believe you do have something in mind that might be on the horizon.
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