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Nelson G

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    Hmm...interesting point. Surely they spent time under the stars...It's hard to know how people of that day conceptualized the cosmos. Was it sort of taken for granted as an unsolvable mystery or did they think they already knew what the moon and stars signify? Could they conceive of distance and proportions enough to receive enlightened instruction?


    They did include scripture in Ganid's essay on world religions at Alexandria's library. From Paper 131, Hindu and Shinto text:



    "...God has made the sun and the stars.... P.1448 - 1

    "...I am the maker of heaven and earth; the sun and the moon and all the stars obey my will....' P.1451 - 2



    Thank you for the references.

    Certainly people of that time had asked the fundamental questions: who am I, where do I come from, where am I going - and may have imagined that they may not be alone in the universe - but Jesus put forward simple concepts that made the idea all more approachable, possible and compelling. I am certain that Ganid and others would reflect on this later in their lives.

    And the idea that justice and mercy do not originate on our small world. Much food for thought.

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  2. Can you not see that on this world such responsibilities had better rest upon the group or be administered by chosen representatives of the group? In the universe, judgment is vested in those who fully know the antecedents of all wrongdoing as well as its motivation. In civilized society and in an organized universe the administration of justice presupposes the passing of just sentence consequent upon fair judgment, and such prerogatives are vested in the juridical groups of the worlds and in the all-knowing administrators of the higher universes of all creation."


    More than one time Jesus talked about the universe and other worlds.

    Ganid did not appear to respond to this one way or another , nor do I recall others being just a bit curious.

    Ganid was having enough difficulties getting an understanding of mercy and justice I suppose.

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  3. Said Jesus: "Though human beings differ in many ways, the one from another, before God and in the spiritual world all mortals stand on an equal footing. There are only two groups of mortals in the eyes of God: those who desire to do his will and those who do not. As the universe looks upon an inhabited world, it likewise discerns two great classes: those who know God and those who do not. Those who cannot know God are reckoned among the animals of any given realm. Mankind can appropriately be divided into many classes in accordance with differing qualifications, as they may be viewed physically, mentally, socially, vocationally, or morally, but as these different classes of mortals appear before the judgment bar of God, they stand on an equal footing; God is truly no respecter of persons. Although you cannot escape the recognition of differential human abilities and endowments in matters intellectual, social, and moral, you should make no such distinctions in the spiritual brotherhood of men when assembled for worship in the presence of God."



    I believe that this is what the founders of America meant when they said that all men are created equal.

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  4. I suspect this statement explains much about the relation of time and space, though I have to admit its meaning eludes me:


    ...Space is measured by time, not time by space....
    P.1439 - 4


    I'll give it a try; My thoughts are that the revealators are assuming that every reader understands and agrees that material things are a vital part of this statement.

    Without material things moving around it would have no meaning imho.

    I sometimes try to figure out if time is just as intangible as space. I am personally more comfortable with time as opposed to space and this shapes my opinion. All measurements of material things within space that I know of are distance divided by time, not distance divided by space. All movement of material things occurs within space. I have always been comfortable with the idea of things within space that can be measured this way, making space between two objects something that I can then relate to. To me this statement just says that space is not a tangible thing without material things moving within it, therefore it is not usable for making measurements. It is more the measurement of moving things using time that defines space.

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  5. You are born into the world, but no amount of anxiety and no manifestation of impatience will help you to grow up.

    You must, in all such matters, wait upon time. Time alone will ripen the green fruit upon the tree. Season follows season and sundown follows sunrise only with the passing of time


    A hard lesson indeed

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  6. He was startled when Jesus replied, "Since you know the ways of kindness and value justice, perhaps the Gods have brought this erring man near that you may lead him into this better way.


    A great lesson for anybody who I may choose to criticize.

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  7. Is it safe enough to assume that our perception of patterns of reality is based on idea patterns of reality?

    When we attempt to define a pattern of reality that occupies space what do we come up with? Ideas.

    Patterns of reality that occupy space on material levels are more easy to live with if we do not try too hard to define them because when we do it all becomes very uncertain.

    Uncertainty manifests itself when we try to observe those pesky building blocks. If we cannot even define the position of a particle, how can we say with certainty that it occupies space?

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  8. Imagining:

    Thinking about material things: I consider the fundamental particle (if there is such a thing). The supposed fundamental particle is thought to be indivisible - Democritus of Abdera visualized it centuries ago in a thought experiment where he had a magic knife that would cut a slice of cheese, possibly many thousands or hundred thousands of times until it could no longer be cut - arriving at the Atom - or what he concieved to be the fundamental indivisable particle.

    We now know that within the atom there are at least 17 (possibly more) fundamental indivisible particles, and when viewed as 17 parts in relation to the atom as a whole, there is an overwhelming abundance of space - forget about the forces for now.

    Could a fundamental particle occupy the same space and time as another? My imagination says no - that is if there really is a fundamental indivisible particle.

    The interesting thing to me is that nature seems to not want us to locate that fundamental indivisible particle of matter so one could ask the question - does anything at all occupy space?

    Louis ruled out Sprit patterns that exist in relation to space so what are we left with?

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  9. P.1388 - §5 As the years passed, this young carpenter of Nazareth increasingly measured every institution of society and every usage of religion by the unvarying test: What does it do for the human soul? does it bring God to man? does it bring man to God?


    A very profound standard of measure for a very young man to have developed.

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    Old Nazareth was nestled on a hillside with a road running by. Of course everyone in the town had climbed to the top of the hill for the spectacular view. Young Jesus found peace and perspective there as well:


    Certainly perspective, but peace? I wonder.

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