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  1. I love that . . . "we are those we are looking for" . . . personal responsibility and integrity. Unfortunately, people are looking for a savior, someone else to do the heavy lifting. We actually do save ourselves by making Godly choices, but that is only possible if we recognize that there is a God and that we are more than ourselves because a fragment of God lives within us. There are many who cannot make this simple leap of faith though. Even Melchizedek couldn't convince people of that (
    ). And for those people, it will always be human effort alone that solves human problems; so without God, all you get is the kingdom of good . . . humanism (
    ). It's an empty kingdom because man becomes his own king.

     

    But I do have to take you to task about the statement of being cognizant of the ramifications of violating God's laws of nature. What laws of nature are you talking about? TUB says that violence is the law of nature. Surely you don't mean that law, do you? We're supposed to rise above and transcend the laws of nature. We're supposed to evolve our spiritual dominance over nature. Is that what you mean?

     

    70:1.1
    Violence is the law of nature
    , hostility the automatic reaction of the children
    of nature, while war is but these same activities carried on collectively.

    118:10.12
    Much that takes place on an evolving world is rather hard for mortal man to understand —
    natural law is so often apparently cruel, heartless, and indifferent to all that is true, beautiful, and good in human comprehension.

     

    Hi Bonita, no I didn't mean it that way, although respect comes to mind regarding God's Natural Laws.

     

    We know to be successful we can't leap over incremental steps required to grow from one stage to

    another, like presently in the Middle East where we're finding out the hard way that "democracy"

    has to be grown and cannot be imposed. Our history is strewn with failed experiments from jumping over

    and around important steps in whole cultural shifts.

     

    Back when -a million years ago- Andon and Fanta as the first Human beings with God's will alive

    in their hearts, our planet achieved the status of
    Inhabited
    and simultaneously the Life Carriers could

    no longer manipulate the physical evolution of our planet even while I'm sure they monitor us continuously.

     

    Today, our millions of years of careful cultivation of evolutionary progress is being jeapordized

    by rampant disregard for our delicate heritage, squandered on nearly all levels, through clear denial

    of the treasure we benefit from of Urantia as a home, and our genetic fabric as the basis of survival as a species.

     

    Some choose to dwell on our spiritual aspect at the expense of acknowledging our Human responsibility

    for safeguarding our physical basis of life, itself. Just because we know that no matter what happens, no

    matter what horrible things may kill us physically we are assured of salvation, that does not remove

    our legitimate Universe Citizen need to manage our physical world responsibly, intelligently, for a decent

    future for all who come after.

     

    Adam and Eves normally guide a planet's physical development including through the industrial era. We

    need to be extra faithful that God-Indwelt persons FIND our way through this sensitive explosion of

    manipulation and
    blatantly insane destruction of our planet's genetic fabric
    - some wisely, very much not wise and extremely dangerous

    to survival. Ignorance is our enemy. Greed motivates many wrongs, but apathy will doom survival, too.

     

    I believe we cannot afford to "rest on our laurels" and must be vigilant over practical matters

    involving caretaking of our planet on behalf of everyone now, and to come.

    For example... at this time there is an explosion of genetically defective babies in the U.S. due

    to unwise use of prescription drugs like paxil during the beginning of pregnancy.

     

    We are currently Guinea Pigs

    for industries that need to be regulated and subjected to intense scrutiny for the damage they cause.

     

    Our human institutions need informed spiritually motivated personnel to do our Indwelt best aided

    by our Master Creator's TRUTH which transcends even Adam and Eve's practical guidance on

    normal planets not in isolation. (We are faced with educational systems who deny science)

    It IS A TALL ORDER but with knowing we are among potentially 10,000,000 planets in this

    Local Universe, we can grasp the enormity of how much God loves us and wants us to succeed.
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  2. I've been reading so many posts on this topic, it is hard to know where to start!

     

    First, if i get it right... we humans, "Sons of God" are Father Indwelt, and nearly all the other beings of

    our Universe are children of the Holy Mother Spirit.

     

    They ( our Universe compatriots) are similarly imperfect as we are.

     

    We are all learning together, ya? "They" are not "running the show" so much as we are "as we will" ...&

    too bad we don't get that, really. I think we need to truly appreciate the consequence of the

    revelation that we are those we are looking for, responsible for Urantia's physical side, too ..for

    being cognizant of our whereabouts and the ramifications of violating "Gods laws of nature" .

     

    It is Very Wonderful to know our Father and Jesus' Truth are potential in

    every single person on this planet. There are more persons alive today than lived

    in all the time before now. Persistent ignorance and repeated failure is NOT our destiny, necessarily.

     

    Think..10,000,000 inhabited planets destined to share in Jesus Michael's truth he learns here, too.

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    Dear Forum Friends,

     

    Something Melchizedek said in Paper 98:2 kept lingering in mind, about the very fundamentals of the way we think, act and correct course these days. Do you think this paragraph points to a more or less unconscious but widely practiced diversion from the divine will, something that is prevalent in the self analysis trend, no?:

    ...The Greeks, however, did engage in a magnificent intellectual advancement. They had begun to master fear and no longer sought religion as an antidote therefor, but they did not perceive that
    true religion is the cure for soul hunger, spiritual disquiet, and moral despair
    .
    They sought for the solace of the soul in deep thinking--philosophy and metaphysics.
    They turned from the contemplation of self-preservation--salvation--to self-realization and self-understanding.... P.1078 - 6

     

     

    Aren't most people these days focused on self understanding and improvement, as opposed to seeking Father's input? No blame to establish, but this self focus surely diverts from the simpler method Jesus and the UB authors constantly point to--just seek his will in everything, as you pass by. This relieves me from constant and habitual self analysis at least (even if I do have internal debates about exactly what his will is, and how to achieve "self forgetfulness"!).

     

    Of course, with "true religion" comes experimentation with the divine love at the center of our being, that inward looking and outward feeling of just wanting to serve Father and fellows, it does seem to be the light and delight of life, even true religion.

     

    The Greeks did contribute to Urantia's history an amazing legacy gained from the wisdom of deep and sincere thinking, on which much of modern society is founded. And the Greeks did finally embrace the religion about Jesus (thanks much to Paul), these Andite descendants living on 1400 islands not so far from Eden.

     

    Do you think the ideal of true religion and the goals of modern self improvement can ever be reconciled?

    .

     

    Hi Rick,( hi All )... That quote and your observation get to the point well... it is not possible to "love" yourself because really
    love is intrinsically giving
    from God through you/us to/for others... (also we really can't "love" a thing, we can want it or like it, appreciate it)

     

    12 step programs, which I perceive as complementing
    The URANTIA Book
    project, specify -higher power- AND claim healing comes from helping another. "Practice makes perfect". Helping, caring for a person is how we learn what love IS i think. --ell

     

    B)
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  4. May 30, 2011 ~ This is a test. Here my cursor is visible and I can type as normally as before, but (for years now) when trying to participate in other discussions I cannot see my cursor and I cannot function in the compose box. I don't know what is wrong or how to fix it. --EllenRG

     

    "Sound arguments An argument is sound if and only if

     

    1. The argument is valid.
    2. All of its premises are true."

    "

     

    "Soundness In

    mathematical logic,

    a logical system has the soundness property if and only if its inference rules prove only formulas that are valid with respect to its semantics.

     

    "In most cases, this comes down to its rules having the property of preserving truth, but this is not the case in general.

     

    "Sound arguments

    An argument is sound if and only if The argument is valid. All of its premises are true.

    For instance, All men are mortal. Socrates is a man. Therefore, Socrates is mortal.

     

    "The preceding argument is valid (because the conclusion is true based on the premises, that is, that the conclusion follows the premises) and since the premises are in fact true, the argument is sound.

     

    "The following argument is valid but not sound: All animals can fly. Pigs are animals. Therefore, pigs can fly.

    Since the first premise is actually false, the argument, though valid, is not sound.

     

    "Soundness of logical systems

    Soundness is among the most fundamental properties in mathematical logic. A soundness property provides the initial reason for counting a logical system as desirable. The completeness property means that every validity (truth) is provable. Together they imply that all and only validities are provable.

    Most proofs of soundness are trivial.[citation needed]

    For example, in an axiomatic system, proof of soundness amounts to verifying the validity of the axioms and that the rules of inference preserve validity (or the weaker property, truth). Most axiomatic systems have only the rule of modus ponens (and sometimes substitution),[citation needed] so it requires only verifying the validity of the axioms and one rule of inference.

     

    "Soundness properties come in two main varieties: weak and strong soundness, of which the former is a special case of the latter.

     

    "Weak soundness

    Weak soundness of a deductive system is the property that any sentence that is provable in that deductive system is also true on all interpretations or models of the semantic theory for the language upon which that theory is based.

    In symbols, where S is the deductive system, L the language together with its semantic theory, and P a sentence of L: ?S P, then also ?L P. In other words, a system is weakly sound if each of its theorems (i.e. formulas provable from the empty set) is valid in every structure of the language.

     

    "Strong soundness

    Strong soundness of a deductive system is the property that any sentence P of the language upon which the deductive system is based that is derivable from a set ? of sentences of that language is also a logical consequence of that set ?, in the sense that any model that makes all members of ? true will also make P true.

    In symbols where ? is a set of sentences of L: if ? ?S P, then also ? ?L P.

     

    "Notice that in the statement of strong soundness, when ? is empty, we have the statement of weak soundness.

     

    "Relation to completeness

    The converse of the soundness property is the semantic completeness property. A deductive system with a semantic theory is strongly complete if every sentence P that is a semantic consequence of a set of sentences Γ can be derived in the deduction system from that set.

     

    "In symbols: whenever Γ ⊨ P, then also Γ ⊢ P. Completeness of first-order logic was first explicitly established by Gödel, though some of the main results were contained in earlier work of Skolem.

     

    "Informally, a soundness theorem for a deductive system expresses that all provable sentences are true.

     

    "Completeness states that all true sentences are provable.

    Gödel's first incompleteness theorem shows that for languages sufficient for doing a certain amount of arithmetic, there can be no effective deductive system that is complete with respect to the intended interpretation of the symbolism of that language.

     

    "Thus, not all sound deductive systems are complete in this special sense of completeness, in which the class of models (up to isomorphism) is restricted to the intended one. The original completeness proof applies to all classical models, not some special proper subclass of intended ones.References Hinman, P. (2005). Fundamentals of Mathematical Logic. A K Peters. ISBN 1-568-81262-0.Irving Copi. Symbolic Logic, Vol. 5, Macmillian Publishing Co., 1979.Boolos, Burgess, Jeffrey. Computability and Logic, Vol. 4, Cambridge, 2002
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    ~ ~ ~ JULY 31, 2008 ~ ~ ~

     

     

    May 30, 2011 ~ This is a test. Here my cursor is visible and I can type as normally as before, but (for years now) when trying to participate in other discussions I cannot see my cursor and I cannot function in the compose box. I don't know what is wrong or how to fix it. --EllenRG


  5. This idea..

     

    P.1458 - §2 Goodness is always growing toward new levels of the increasing liberty of moral self-realization and spiritual personality attainment--the discovery of, and identification with, the indwelling Adjuster. An experience is good when it heightens the appreciation of beauty, augments the moral will, enhances the discernment of truth, enlarges the capacity to love and serve one's fellows, exalts the spiritual ideals, and unifies the supreme human motives of time with the eternal plans of the indwelling Adjuster, all of which lead directly to an increased desire to do the Father's will, thereby fostering the divine passion to find God and to be more like him."

     

    ... I think is hard for persons who try hard to do as they have been told, taught, brought up to admire and stick with as principles of living.

     

    When I was little some teachings of our church seemed to be not sensible and now I know they weren't sensible or correct and I feel sorry for all the people who must continuously and constantly attempt to reconcile the incorrect teachings of their church or philosophy with true God in their heart showing them the way -- a way that is perhaps VERY different and -on-the-face-of-it- "wrong" according to their upbringing and practices.

     

    How do persons develop confidence in the their Adjuster's leading? i'm thinking: Practice! Practice loving!

    Practice loving and LISTENING to person's who's Adjusters are there, too.

    Honest and friendly feedback. Practice TRUTH without brutality.

     

    Here is an admonition ( thank you Meredith)

     

    But as religion becomes institutionalized, its power for good is curtailed, while the possibilities for evil are greatly multiplied.

    The dangers of formalized religion are: fixation of beliefs and crystallization of sentiments;

    accumulation of vested interests with increase of secularization;

    tendency to standardize and fossilize truth;

    diversion of religion from the service of God to the service of the church;

    inclination of leaders to become administrators instead of ministers;

    tendency to form sects and competitive divisions;

    establishment of oppressive ecclesiastical authority;

    creation of the aristocratic “chosen-people” attitude;

    fostering of false and exaggerated ideas of sacredness;

    the routinizing of religion and the petrification of worship;

    tendency to venerate the past while ignoring present demands;

    failure to make up-to-date interpretations of religion;

    entanglement with functions of secular institutions;

    it creates the evil discrimination of religious castes;

    it becomes an intolerant judge of orthodoxy;

    it fails to hold the interest of adventurous youth and gradually loses the saving message of the gospel of eternal salvation.

    (1092.3) 99:6.3


  6. Hi Rick, this line was difficult to "get" but here is an attempt to :

     

    RE:

    " ...Technically, he has no right to assert that he is either materialist or idealist, for in so doing he has assumed to forsake the attitude of a true scientist since any and all such assertions of attitude are the very essence of philosophy...."

     

    There is an objective scientific process to be "religiously" adhered to before any scientific fact is accepted as a fact.

    Assertion states position - a matter of philosophic opinion whereas a fact, like gravity, is not an opinion but an identified and thoroughly proved scientific reality.

    Also.. while "religion" is really a PERSONAL relationship with God, our discussion and sharing of our ideas, our collective agreement about ideas (and adoption of attitudes) is relegated to the realm of PHILOSOPHY, "technically" not religion.

     

    I find this intriguing because this concept is central to a person's decisions regarding "conflict of interest" --Ell


  7. Hi Rich.... I see and have found URANTIA

    students on Facebook, and am actually working

    to support "active/interaction" among local Ub students

    and community for URANTIA study groups. We're so

    busy locally we hardly have time to turn on the

    computer except to keep up on communication.

     

    Write me at ellen.gaynor@gmail.com if you want

    to find URANTIA students in your area. It may take

    TIME and you may need to GO a DISTANCE but it

    is very rewarding to "talk URANTIA' in person, as

    i suspect you already are very well aware of. --Ell


  8. Thanks, HSTa,

    for your help in studying how the insights in our URANTIA Book relate to our improving (but still limited) knowledge of our physical basis of life. The URANTIA Book clarifies that life could not evolve here without the protective layer of ozone which stops "dangerous and destructive".... "short wave lengths":

     

    (665.5)
    58:2.2
    The earth's atmosphere is all but opaque to much of the solar radiation at the extreme ultraviolet end of the spectrum. Most of these short wave lengths are absorbed by a layer of ozone which exists throughout a level about ten miles above the surface of the earth, and which extends spaceward for another ten miles. The ozone permeating this region, at conditions prevailing on the earth's surface, would make a layer only one tenth of an inch thick; nevertheless, this relatively small and apparently insignificant amount of ozone protects Urantia inhabitants from the excess of these dangerous and destructive ultraviolet radiations present in sunlight.

    This phrase, " this relatively small and apparently insignificant amount of ozone protects Urantia inhabitants from the excess of these dangerous and destructive ultraviolet radiations present in sunlight " indicates to me that dangerous and destructive ultraviolet radiations are harmful to life, to healthy evolution of DNA.

     

    Ionizing radiation is of different wavelengths: Alpha, Beta, and Gamma to name three. The shortest when assimilated in living systems, accumulated in specific parts of living systems and increasingly concentrated in living systems, cause very specific destruction and damage to DNA as the energy disbursal is a barrage for a long time on the molecular level within the living system.

     

    In humans who are at the top of the food chain (in itself a process of assimilation, accumulation and concentration) the brain, bone and reproductive organs assimilate, accumulate and concentrate ionizing radionuclides who bombard the DNA with "desttructive and dangerous" "short wave lengths" rendering the body or living system incapable of HEALTHY reproduction.

     

    I think our moral/ethical/physical challenge is of UNIVERSAL concern since our planet has the unusual and unique position of relying simply on our Father Indwelt, Truth led capacity to deal with these problems having not enjoyed the overcare of Adam and Eve who are the normal guides of humans through these gigantic scientific progressions.

     

    I believe part of our gift of The URANTIA Book has to do with assuring us that our scientific basis of life is VALID and also it is God's NATURAL LAW which cannot be violated without experiencing the consequences of error, evil ... possibly sin and iniquity which is death and in the physical world, non-existence. --EllenRG

     

    (666.1)
    58:2.4
    Your sun pours forth a veritable flood of death-dealing rays, and your pleasant life on Urantia is due to the "fortuitous" influence of more than two-score apparently accidental protective operations similar to the action of this unique ozone layer.

    FROM
    The URANTIA Book:

    2. The Urantia Atmosphere

     

     

    (665.4) 58:2.1 The planetary atmosphere filters through to the earth about one two-billionth of the sun's total light emanation. If the light falling upon North America were paid for at the rate of two cents per kilowatt-hour, the annual light bill would be upward of 800 quadrillion dollars. Chicago's bill for sunshine would amount to considerably over 100 million dollars a day. And it should be remembered that you receive from the sun other forms of energy — light is not the only solar contribution reaching your atmosphere. Vast solar energies pour in upon Urantia embracing wave lengths ranging both above and below the recognition range of human vision. *

     

    (665.5) 58:2.2 The earth's atmosphere is all but opaque to much of the solar radiation at the extreme ultraviolet end of the spectrum. Most of these short wave lengths are absorbed by a layer of ozone which exists throughout a level about ten miles above the surface of the earth, and which extends spaceward for another ten miles. The ozone permeating this region, at conditions prevailing on the earth's surface, would make a layer only one tenth of an inch thick; nevertheless, this relatively small and apparently insignificant amount of ozone protects Urantia inhabitants from the excess of these dangerous and destructive ultraviolet radiations present in sunlight. But were this ozone layer just a trifle thicker, you would be deprived of the highly important and health-giving ultraviolet rays which now reach the earth's surface, and which are ancestral to one of the most essential of your vitamins.

     

    (665.6) 58:2.3 And yet some of the less imaginative of your mortal mechanists insist on viewing material creation and human evolution as an accident. The Urantia midwayers have assembled over fifty thousand facts of physics and chemistry which they deem to be incompatible with the laws of accidental chance, and which they contend unmistakably demonstrate the presence of intelligent purpose in the material creation. And all of this takes no account of their catalogue of more than one hundred thousand findings outside the domain of physics and chemistry which they maintain prove the presence of mind in the planning, creation, and maintenance of the material cosmos.

     

    (666.1) 58:2.4 Your sun pours forth a veritable flood of death-dealing rays, and your pleasant life on Urantia is due to the "fortuitous" influence of more than two-score apparently accidental protective operations similar to the action of this unique ozone layer.

     

    (666.2) 58:2.5 Were it not for the "blanketing" effect of the atmosphere at night, heat would be lost by radiation so rapidly that life would be impossible of maintenance except by artificial provision.

     

    (666.3) 58:2.6 The lower five or six miles of the earth's atmosphere is the troposphere; this is the region of winds and air currents which provide weather phenomena. Above this region is the inner ionosphere and next above is the stratosphere. Ascending from the surface of the earth, the temperature steadily falls for six or eight miles, at which height it registers around 70 degrees below zero F. This temperature range of from 65 to 70 degrees below zero F. is unchanged in the further ascent for forty miles; this realm of constant temperature is the stratosphere. At a height of forty-five or fifty miles, the temperature begins to rise, and this increase continues until, at the level of the auroral displays, a temperature of 1200° F. is attained, and it is this intense heat that ionizes the oxygen. But temperature in such a rarefied atmosphere is hardly comparable with heat reckoning at the surface of the earth. Bear in mind that one half of all your atmosphere is to be found in the first three miles. The height of the earth's atmosphere is indicated by the highest auroral streamers — about four hundred miles.

     

    (666.4) 58:2.7 Auroral phenomena are directly related to sunspots, those solar cyclones which whirl in opposite directions above and below the solar equator, even as do the terrestrial tropical hurricanes. Such atmospheric disturbances whirl in opposite directions when occurring above or below the equator.

     

    (666.5) 58:2.8 The power of sunspots to alter light frequencies shows that these solar storm centers function as enormous magnets. Such magnetic fields are able to hurl charged particles from the sunspot craters out through space to the earth's outer atmosphere, where their ionizing influence produces such spectacular auroral displays. Therefore do you have the greatest auroral phenomena when sunspots are at their height — or soon thereafter — at which time the spots are more generally equatorially situated.

     

    (666.6) 58:2.9 Even the compass needle is responsive to this solar influence since it turns slightly to the east as the sun rises and slightly to the west as the sun nears setting. This happens every day, but during the height of sunspot cycles this variation of the compass is twice as great. These diurnal wanderings of the compass are in response to the increased ionization of the upper atmosphere, which is produced by the sunlight.

     

    (666.7) 58:2.10 It is the presence of two different levels of electrified conducting regions in the superstratosphere that accounts for the long-distance transmission of your long- and short-wave radiobroadcasts. Your broadcasting is sometimes disturbed by the terrific storms which occasionally rage in the realms of these outer ionospheres.


  9. "....atomic riddle. When atoms perform radioactively, they emit far more energy than would be expected. This excess of radiation is derived from the breaking up of the mesotron "energy carrier," which thereby becomes a mere electron. The mesotronic disintegration is also accompanied by the emission of certain small uncharged particles."
    (479.3)
    42:8.5

    1st
    FROM
    The URANTIA Book:

    (479.1) 42:8.3 The charged protons and the uncharged neutrons of the nucleus of the atom are held together by the reciprocating function of the mesotron, a particle of matter 180 times as heavy as the electron. Without this arrangement the electric charge carried by the protons would be disruptive of the atomic nucleus.

     

    (479.2) 42:8.4 As atoms are constituted, neither electric nor gravitational forces could hold the nucleus together. The integrity of the nucleus is maintained by the reciprocal cohering function of the mesotron, which is able to hold charged and uncharged particles together because of superior force-mass power and by the further function of causing protons and neutrons constantly to change places. The mesotron causes the electric charge of the nuclear particles to be incessantly tossed back and forth between protons and neutrons. At one infinitesimal part of a second a given nuclear particle is a charged proton and the next an uncharged neutron. And these alternations of energy status are so unbelievably rapid that the electric charge is deprived of all opportunity to function as a disruptive influence. Thus does the mesotron function as an "energy-carrier" particle which mightily contributes to the nuclear stability of the atom.

     

    (479.3) 42:8.5 The presence and function of the mesotron also explains another atomic riddle. When atoms perform radioactively, they emit far more energy than would be expected. This excess of radiation is derived from the breaking up of the mesotron "energy carrier," which thereby becomes a mere electron. The mesotronic disintegration is also accompanied by the emission of certain small uncharged particles.

     

    (479.4) 42:8.6 The mesotron explains certain cohesive properties of the atomic nucleus, but it does not account for the cohesion of proton to proton nor for the adhesion of neutron to neutron. The paradoxical and powerful force of atomic cohesive integrity is a form of energy as yet undiscovered on Urantia.

     

     

     

    2nd (also known as Ioni
    z
    ing)

     

    Radiation Basics - Ionising and Non Ionising Radiation

    Ionising radiation has more energy than non ionising radiation; enough to cause chemical changes by breaking chemical bonds.

     

    What is the electromagnetic spectrum?

    The electromagnetic spectrum includes radio waves, microwaves, infrared rays, light rays, ultra violet rays, X-rays and gamma rays. All electomagnetic radiation is transmitted through empty space at 3.0 X 108 metres per second (300 thousand kilometres per second).

     

    The different forms of electromagnetic radiation are distinguished from each other by:

     

    • their wavelength
    • the amount of energy they transfer

    These properties also determine their ability to travel through objects, their heating effects and their effect on living tissue.

     

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    What is the relationship between wavelength and frequency?

    Sometimes electromagnetic radiation is described using its frequency rather than its wavelength. These two characteristics are closely related.

     

    If we could watch a wave of electromagnetic radiation pass, the wavelength would be the distance between two adjacent wave crests, the frequency would be the number of wave peaks that passed in a given time. Since electromagnetic radiation travels at a constant speed in a constant environment, radiation with a longer wavelength would have fewer waves passing in a given time (lower frequency) and radiation with a shorter wavelength would have more waves passing in a given time (higher frequency). When wavelength increases, frequency decreases and visa versa.

     

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    The hertz is the unit used to measure frequency. A measured frequency of one hertz(Hz) represents one wavelength per second or one cycle per second. The range of frequencies within the electomagnetic spectrum is great resulting in the common use of a series of units:

     

    • one kilohertz(kHz) is one thousand hertz (1000 Hz)
    • one megahertz(MHz) is one million hertz (1,000,000 Hz)
    • one gigahertz(GHz) is one thousand million hertz (1,000,000,000 Hz)

    What is non ionising radiation?

    Non ionising radiation is found at the long wavelength end of the spectrum and may have enough energy to excite molecules and atoms causing then to vibrate faster. This is very obvious in a microwave oven where the radiation causes water molecules to vibrate faster creating heat.

     

    Non ionising radiation ranges from extremely low frequency radiation, shown on the far left through the radiofrequency, microwave, and visible portions of the spectrum into the ultraviolet range.

     

    Extremely low-frequency radiation has very long wavelengths (in the order of a thousand kilometres or more) and frequencies in the range of 100 hertz or less. Radiofrequencies have wavelengths of between 1 and 100 metres and frequencies in the range of 1 million to 100 million hertz. Microwaves that we use to heat food have wavelengths that are about 1 hundredth of a metre long and have frequencies of about 10 billion hertz.

     

     

    What is ionising radiation?

    Ionising radiation has more energy than non ionising radiation; enough to cause chemical changes by breaking chemical bonds. This effect can cause damage to living tissue.

     

    Shorter wavelength ultraviolet radiation begins to have enough energy to break chemical bonds. X-ray and gamma ray radiation, which are at the upper end of electromagnetic spectrum, have very high frequencies (in the range of 100 billion billion hertz) and very short wavelengths (1 million millionth of a metre). Radiation in this range has extremely high energy. It has enough energy to strip electrons from an atom or, in the case of very high-energy radiation, break up the nucleus of the atom.

     

    The process in which an electron is given enough energy to break away from an atom is called ionisation. This process results in the formation of two charged particles or ions: the molecule with a net positive charge, and the free electron with a negative charge.

     

    Each ionisation releases energy which is absorbed by material surrounding the ionized atom. Compared to other types of radiation that may be absorbed, ionising radiation deposits a large amount of energy into a small area. In fact, the energy from one ionisation is more than enough energy to disrupt the chemical bond between two carbon atoms. All ionising radiation is capable, directly or indirectly, of removing electrons from most molecules.

     

    There are three main kinds of ionising radiation:

     

    Alpha particles and beta particles are not part of the electromagnetic spectrum; they are energetic particles as opposed to pure energy bundles (photons).


  10. Here are some tools for this study of ionizing (ionising) radiation --EllenRG

     

     

    http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotect...s/glossary.cfm#

     

    Radiation Basics - Glossary of Terms

    A | B | C | D | E | F | G | H | I | J | K | L | M | N

    O | P | Q | R | S | T | U | V | W | X | Y | Z

     

     

    Absorbed dose

    Quantity of energy imparted by ionizing radiation to unit mass of matter such as tissue. Unit gray, symbol Gy. 1 Gy = 1 joule per kilogram.

     

    Activity

    Attribute of an amount of a radionuclide. Describes the rate at which transformations occur in it. Unit becquerel, symbol Bq. 1 Bq = 1 transformation per second.

     

    Alpha particle

    A particle consisting of two protons plus two neutrons. Emitted by a radionuclide. More detailed information is available on the alpha particle web page.

     

    Anthropogenic

    As an adjective - caused by humans. Anthropogenic radiation is radiation caused by human activity.

     

    Atom

    The smallest portion of an element that can combine chemically with other atoms.

     

    Atomic mass

    The mass of an isotope of an element expressed in atomic mass units, which are defined as one-twelfth of the mass of an atom of carbon-12.

     

    Atomic number

    The number of protons in the nucleus of an atom. Symbol Z.

     

    Auger Electron

    An electron, sometimes emitted from an atom instead of an x-ray that would otherwise carry away the excess energy. Auger electrons are usually of no significance as a radiation hazard but can contribute to radiation dose in the decay of some radionuclides while inside cells in the body, as in radiopharmaceuticals.

     

    Becquerel

    See activity.

     

    Beta particle

    An electron emitted by the nucleus of a radionuclide. The electric charge may be positive, in which case the beta particle is called a positron. More detailed information is available on the beta particle web page.

     

    Chromosomes

    Rod-shaped bodies found in the nucleus of cells in the body. They contain the genes, or hereditary constituents. Human beings possess 23 pairs.

     

    Cosmic rays

    High energy ionizing radiations from outer space. Complex composition at the surface of the earth.

     

    Cosmogenic radionuclides

    The cosmic radiation which strikes the earth induces radioactivity in the atmosphere. Most of this radioactivity is very short-lived. Some radionuclides however survive to eventually reach the surface of the earth. Among these are H (tritium), Be (beryllium-7) and C (carbon-14) which has the longest half-life (5730 years).

     

    Decay

    The process of spontaneous transformation of a radionuclide. The decrease in the activity of a radioactive substance.

     

    Decay Mode

    The type of decay a nuclide undergoes.

     

    Decay product

    A nuclide or radionuclide produced by decay. It may be formed directly from a radionuclide or as a result of a series of successive decays through several radionuclides.

     

    Diagnostic radiology

    Term usually applied to the use of x-rays in medicine for identifying disease or injury in patients.

     

    Disposal

    In relation to radioactive waste, dispersal or emplacement in any medium without the intention of retrieval.

     

    DNA

    Deoxyribonucleic acid. The compound that controls the structure and function of cells and is the material of inheritance.

     

    Dose

    General term for quantity of ionizing radiation. See absorbed dose, equivalent dose, effective dose and collective effective dose. Frequently used for effective dose.

     

    Effective dose

    The quantity obtained by multiplying the equivalent dose to various tissues and organs by a weighting factor appropriate to each and summing the products. Unit sievert, symbol Sv. Frequently abbreviated to dose.

     

    Electric field strength

    A measure of the intensity of an electric field. Unit volt per metre, symbol V m-1.

     

    Electromagnetic field

    The region in which electromagnetic radiation from a source exerts an influence on another object with or without there being contact between them. More detailed information is available on the extremely low frequency electric and magnetic fields web page.

     

    Electromagnetic radiation

    Radiation that can be considered as a wave of electric and magnetic energy travelling through a vacuum or a material. Examples are gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet radiation, light, infrared radiation and radiofrequency radiation.

     

    Electromagnetic spectrum

    All electromagnetic radiations displayed as a continuum in order of increasing frequency or decreasing wavelength.

     

    Electromagnetic wave

    See electromagnetic radiation.

     

    Electron

    An elementary particle with low mass, 1/1836 that of a proton, and unit negative electric charge. Positively charged electrons, called positrons, also exist. See also beta particle.

     

    Electron volt

    Unit of energy employed in radiation physics. Equal to the energy gained by an electron in passing through a potential difference of 1 volt. Symbol eV. 1 eV = 1.6 × 10-19 joule approximately.

     

    Element

    A substance with atoms all of the same atomic number.

     

    EMF

    Electromagnetic field. Not to be confused with the initials for electromotive force.

     

    Equivalent dose

    The quantity obtained by multiplying the absorbed dose by a factor to allow for the different effectiveness of the various ionizing radiations in causing harm to tissue. Unit sievert, symbol Sv.

     

    Erythema

    Reddening of the skin caused by dilation of blood vessels.

     

    Excitation

    A process by which radiation imparts energy to an atom or molecule without causing ionisation. Dissipated as heat in tissue.

     

    Fission

    Nuclear fission. A process in which a nucleus splits into two or more nuclei and energy is released. Frequently refers to the splitting of a nucleus of uranium-235 into two approximately equal parts by a thermal neutron with emission of other neutrons.

     

    Free radical

    A grouping of atoms that normally exists in combination with other atoms but can sometimes exist independently. Generally very reactive in a chemical sense.

     

    Frequency

    The number of complete cycles of an electromagnetic wave in a second. Unit hertz, symbol Hz. 1 Hz = 1 cycle per second.

     

    Gamma ray

    A discrete quantity of electromagnetic energy without mass or charge. Emitted by a radionuclide. See x-ray. More detailed information is available on the gamma ray web page.

     

    Gray

    See absorbed dose.

     

    Half-life

    The time taken for the activity of a radionuclide to lose half its value by decay. Symbol t½.

     

    Infrared radiation

    Electromagnetic radiation capable of producing the sensation of heat and found between light and radiofrequency radiations in the electromagnetic spectrum. Has subregions IRA, IRB and IRC.

     

    Instability

    Having the property of being unstable.

     

    Ion

    Electrically charged atom or grouping of atoms.

     

    Ionisation

    The process by which a neutral atom or molecule acquires or loses an electric charge. The production of ions.

     

    Ionising radiation

    Radiation that produces ionisation in matter. Examples are alpha particles, gamma rays, x-rays and neutrons. When these radiations pass through the tissues of the body, they have sufficient energy to damage DNA. More detailed information is available on the ionisating and non-ionising radiation web page.

     

    Isotope

    Nuclides with the same number of protons but different numbers of neutrons. Not a synonym for nuclide.

     

    keV

    Is equal to 1000 eV. See Electron volt .

     

    Laser

    Device which amplifies light and usually produces an extremely narrow intense beam of a single wavelength. More detailed information is available on the laser web page.

     

    Light

    Electromagnetic radiation capable of producing the sensation of vision and found between ultraviolet and infrared radiations in the electromagnetic spectrum.

     

    Mass number

    The number of protons plus neutrons in the nucleus of an atom. Symbol A.

     

    Metastable

    Nuclei that stay in an excited, unstable state for longer than about 10-10 seconds which is nevertheless an extremely short period of time. (i.e. 10-10 seconds equal to about 100 billionth of a second).

     

    Molecule

    The smallest portion of a substance that can exist by itself and retain the properties of the substance.

     

    Mutation

    A chemical change in the DNA in the nucleus of a cell. Mutations in sperm or egg cells or their precursors may lead to inherited effects in children. Mutations in body cells may lead to effects in the individual.

     

    Neutron

    An elementary particle with unit atomic mass approximately and no electric charge.

     

    Non ionising radiation

    Radiation that does not produce ionisation in matter. Examples are ultraviolet radiation, light, infrared radiation and radiofrequency radiation. When these radiations pass through the tissues of the body they do not have sufficient energy to damage DNA directly.

     

    Nuclear reactor

    A device in which nuclear fission can be sustained in a self-supporting chain reaction involving neutrons. In thermal reactors, fission is brought about by thermal neutrons.

     

    Nucleus

    The core of an atom, occupying little of the volume, containing most of the mass, and bearing positive electric charge.

     

    Nucleus of a cell

    The controlling centre of the basic unit of tissue. Contains the important material DNA.

     

    Nuclide

    A species of atom characterised by the number of protons and neutrons and, in some cases, by the energy state of the nucleus.

     

    Optical radiation

    Electromagnetic radiation comprising ultraviolet, visible and infrared radiations.

     

    Photon

    A quantum of electromagnetic radiation.

     

    Positron

    See beta particle.

     

    Probability

    The mathematical chance that a given event will occur.

     

    Proton

    An elementary particle with unit atomic mass approximately and unit positive electric charge.

     

    Radiation

    The process of emitting energy as waves or particles. The energy thus radiated. Frequently used for ionizing radiation except when it is necessary to avoid confusion with non-ionizing radiation.

     

    Radioactive

    Possessing the property of radioactivity.

     

    Radioactive waste

    Useless material containing radionuclides. Frequently categorised in the nuclear power industry according to activity (and other criteria) as low level, intermediate level and high level waste.

     

    Radioactivity

    The property of radionuclides of spontaneously emitting ionizing radiation. More detailed information is available on the radioactivity web page.

     

    Radiofrequency radiation

    Electromagnetic radiation used for telecommunications and found in the electromagnetic spectrum at longer wavelengths than infrared radiation. More detailed information is available on the radiofrequency radiation web page.

     

    RF

    See radiofrequency radiation.

     

    Radiological protection

    The science and practice of limiting the harm to human beings from radiation.

     

    Radionuclide

    An unstable nuclide that emits ionizing radiation.

     

    Radiotherapy

    Term applied to the use of radiation beams for treating disease, usually cancers, in patients.

     

    Risk

    The probability of injury, harm or damage.

     

    Risk factor

    The probability of cancer and leukaemia or hereditary damage per unit equivalent dose. Usually refers to fatal malignant diseases and serious hereditary damage. Unit Sv-1.

     

    Sievert

    See effective dose.

     

    Specific energy absorption rate

    The rate at which energy is absorbed by unit mass of tissue in an electromagnetic field. Unit watt per kilogram, symbol W kg-1.

     

    SAR

    See specific energy absorption rate.

     

    Stable

    An isotope or nuclide is considered stable if it has a half-life longer than the age of the universe i.e. a half-life longer than about 13.7 billion years.

     

    Thermal neutrons

    Neutrons that have been slowed to the degree that they have the same average thermal energy as the atoms or molecules through which they are passing. The average energy of neutrons at ordinary temperatures is about 0.025 eV, corresponding to an average velocity of 2.2 × 103 m s-1.

     

    Ultraviolet radiation

    Electromagnetic radiation found between x-rays and light in the electromagnetic spectrum. Has subregions UVA, UVB, UVC. More detailed information is available on the ultraviolet radiation web page.

     

    UV radiation

    See ultraviolet radiation.

     

    Unstable

    An isotope or nuclide is considered to be unstable if it has a half-life less than the age of the universe i.e. a half-life less than about 13.7 billion years.

     

    Visible radiation

    See light.

     

    Waste management

    The control of radioactive waste from creation to disposal.

     

    Wavelength

    The distance between successive crests of an electromagnetic wave passing through a given material. Unit metre, symbol m.

     

    X-ray

    A discrete quantity of electromagnetic energy without mass or charge. Emitted by an x-ray machine. See <a href="http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotection/basics/glossary.cfm#g1" target="_blank">gamma ray. More detailed information is available on the X ray web page.


  11. Dear UAI Forum participants,

     

    While we pray for our Japanese URANTIAn family,

    I see it is time for our planet to be mobilizing our best brains, resources, talent,

    and skill in aggressive application to the emerging problem

    of disbursal of (ionizing) radionuclides from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant.

     

    Here is a quote from The URANTIA Book to start off with

    and web based info for our mutual education. Please speak

    up if you find error, inconsistency or outright falseness. Thanks --EllenRG

     

    1st
    from
    The URANTIA Book

    3. Classification of Matter

     

     

    (471.8) 42:3.1 Matter in all universes, excepting in the central universe, is identical. Matter in its physical properties depends on the revolutionary rates of its component members, the number and size of the revolving members, their distance from the nuclear body or the space content of matter, as well as on the presence of certain forces as yet undiscovered on Urantia.

     

    (471.9) 42:3.2 In the varied suns, planets, and space bodies there are ten grand divisions of matter:

     

    (472.1)
    42:3.3
    1. Ultimatonic matter — the prime physical units of material existence, the energy particles which go to make up electrons.

    (472.2)
    42:3.4
    2. Subelectronic matter — the explosive and repellent stage of the solar supergases.

    (472.3)
    42:3.5
    3. Electronic matter — the electrical stage of material differentiation — electrons, protons, and various other units entering into the varied constitution of the electronic groups.

    (472.4)
    42:3.6
    4. Subatomic matter — matter existing extensively in the interior of the hot suns.

    (472.5)
    42:3.7
    5. Shattered atoms — found in the cooling suns and throughout space.

    (472.6)
    42:3.8
    6. Ionized matter — individual atoms stripped of their outer (chemically active) electrons by electrical, thermal, or X-ray activities and by solvents.

    (472.7)
    42:3.9
    7. Atomic matter — the chemical stage of elemental organization, the component units of molecular or visible matter.

    (472.8)
    42:3.10
    8. The molecular stage of matter — matter as it exists on Urantia in a state of relatively stable materialization under ordinary conditions.

    (472.9)
    42:3.11
    9. Radioactive matter — the disorganizing tendency and activity of the heavier elements under conditions of moderate heat and diminished gravity pressure.

    (472.10)
    42:3.12
    10. Collapsed matter — the relatively stationary matter found in the interior of the cold or dead suns. This form of matter is not really stationary; there is still some ultimatonic even electronic activity, but these units are in very close proximity, and their rates of revolution are greatly diminished.

     

    (472.11) 42:3.13 The foregoing classification of matter pertains to its organization rather than to the forms of its appearance to created beings. Neither does it take into account the pre-emergent stages of energy nor the eternal materializations on Paradise and in the central universe.

     

     

    2nd
    from the New York Times:

    http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/international/countriesandterritories/japan/index.htmlCrisis Timeline

     

    March 31 A long-lasting radioactive element, cesium 137, has been measured at levels that pose a long-term danger at one spot 25 miles from the crippled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, raising questions about whether Japan's evacuation zone should be expanded and whether the land might need to be abandoned. Emails, blog posts and interviews give a glimpse into the struggle carried on by the largely anonymous workers trying to prevent the world's second-worst nuclear calamity from becoming even more dire, painting a picture of mixed panic, heroism and frustration.

     

     

    3rd
    .......THE INFO BELOW IS FROM AUSTRALIA

    WHERE THEY SPELL ionizing WITH AN S

    AS ionising . Anyone explain that?? --EllenRG

    http://www.arpansa.gov.au/radiationprotect...asics/index.cfm

     

    Introduction to Radiation Basics

     

     

    The following topics provide an informative foundation for your understanding of radiation protection and nuclear safety.

    The following topics provide an informative foundation for your understanding of radiation protection and nuclear safety. Within the topics there are many links to other parts of the ARPANSA website, websites hosted by others and a glossary of terms.

     

    4th

    Ionising Radiation and Health

     

    Like all other living organisms, you are exposed to ionising radiation every day. This exposure comes from background radiation.

     

    This Page:

    Introduction

    Like all other living organisms, you are exposed to ionising radiation every day. This exposure comes from background radiation.

     

    You can have additional exposure from other sources; for example having an X-ray or flying in a commercial aeroplane results in additional exposure to ionising radiation. It is best to limit your exposure because there is a possibility of adverse health effects.

     

    The first publication in ARPANSA's Radiation Protection Series provides recommended ionising radiation dose limits for the public and for people exposed to ionising radiation as a result of their occupations1. Read on for more detail.

     

     

    What is Ionising Radiation?

    All matter is made up of atoms consisting of a nucleus surrounded by negatively charged electrons, similar to the sun surrounded by the planets. The nucleus consists of neutrons and positively charged protons. Atoms containing the same number of protons have identical chemical properties and are known as elements. Elements with a different number of neutrons are known as isotopes. There are 88 naturally occurring elements some examples of which are oxygen, iron, sulphur, uranium and radon gas etc. Some atoms are radioactive (they are called radionuclides) and the nucleus of such atoms can change structure (lose energy); in so doing the energy is emitted as radiation in three main forms: alpha particles (helium nuclei), beta particles (electrons) and gamma rays. This process is termed radioactive decay and the resulting daughter product, a new element, is formed as a result. These radiations can interact with surrounding matter to produce positively and negatively charged particles (a type of electricity). This process is called ionisation, hence the term ionising radiation. X-rays are also known as ionising radiation and they are identical to gamma rays except they are emitted by the passage of electrons through the electric field of a nucleus, not by the nucleus itself.

     

    What are the Properties of Ionising Radiation?

    Beta particles are sub-atomic particles that can travel at close to the speed of light (300,000,000 metres per second). Alpha particles travel relatively slowly and can be stopped (energy absorbed) by a piece of paper, while beta particles can be stopped by one or two centimetres of human tissue. Gamma rays and X-rays are waves of energy similar to visible light, the stuff that comes out of the domestic lamp; except they have more energy and are invisible. They travel at the speed of light and penetrate matter more easily than the particulate radiations. High atomic number metals such as lead are normally required to absorb their energy.

     

    What Units are Used to Measure Radioactivity?

    Radiation is measured in decays (disintegrations) per second which corresponds to the number of nuclei losing energy each second. One becquerel (abbreviation Bq) is equal to one decay per second: one megabequerel is equal to one million disintegrations per second. The human body is naturally radioactive due to the presence of radioactive potassium: A 70 kilogram person would contain about 3500 Bq.

     

    How Does Radiation Interact with Matter?

    When the energy from radiation is absorbed by matter, chemical changes occur at the atomic level. If the exposure is large enough these changes can be readily observed. For example, if glass is heavily irradiated it changes colour. Some precious stones are coloured for commercial purposes using this method. When the body is subjected to a medical X-ray the bones absorb most of the energy and a photographic film can then give an image of the skeleton. The amount of radiation absorbed per gram of matter is called the absorbed dose.

     

     

     

    What Units Are Used To Measure Absorbed Dose?

    Absorbed dose is measured in grays (abbreviation Gy). One gray corresponds to one joule of radiation energy deposited in one kilogram of matter. (Note: It would require 320,000 joules of energy to boil one kilogram [one litre] of water). A uniform dose of 3 to 5 Gy to the whole body will kill fifty percent of people exposed in one to two months. This is a large unit and the milligray (mGy), which is one thousandth of a gray, is more commonly used.

     

    When radiation interacts with living tissue the effect it has varies with the type of radiation. Alpha rays are 20 times more effective than beta, gamma or X-rays at causing tissue damage. To allow for this, the dose in grays is multiplied by an effectiveness factor and the new units are called sieverts (abbreviation Sv) and the dose is called the equivalent dose. A one milligray dose of alpha rays is equal to 20 mSv (millisieverts) of equivalent dose. A one milligray dose of beta rays is equal to 1 mSv equivalent dose because the effectiveness factor is 1 for beta rays. In most cases the effectiveness factor is unity and the dose in grays is equal to the dose in sieverts.

     

    How Does Radiation Interact with the Human Body?

    When radiation is absorbed in the body it causes chemical reactions to occur which can alter the normal functions of the body. At high doses (above 1 sievert) this can result in massive cell death, organ damage and possibly death to the individual. At low doses (less than 50 mSv) the situation is more complex.

     

    The body is made up of different cells. For example we have brain cells, muscle cells, blood cells etc. It is the genes within a cell that determine how a cell functions. If damage occurs to the genes then it is possible for a cancer to occur. This means the cell has lost the ability to control the rate at which it reproduces. Radiation can cause this effect and at low doses it is the only known deleterious health effect. This type of event is very unlikely to occur, and an estimate of its frequency can only be obtained by measuring the effect at higher doses and calculating the probability at low doses. A dose of one millisievert corresponds to a chance of 6 in 100,000 of contracting a cancer. This figure can be compared with the normal incidence of cancer which is 25,000 cases per 100,000 over a lifetime2.

     

    If the damage occurs in the testes or ovaries then hereditary effects in descendents may become apparent. No first generation hereditary effects were observed amongst Hiroshima survivors. Based on other studies the ICRP recommended a risk factor of 2 per thousand per sievert effective dose. A dose of one millisievert to a large population will produce two cases of severe hereditary effects per million births3. This figure can be compared with the normal incidence of severe congenital abnormalities which is 23,000 per million births4. (See UNSCEAR 2000 report for more detail).

     

    The Natural Background

    The effect of radiation on health must be discussed within the context of the natural background. Background radiation consists of cosmic rays from space and radiation present in the earth from when it was formed. Cosmic radiation increases with altitude and so airline pilots receive a high exposure from this source; the dose rate at 12,000 metres being about 150 times the sea level dose. The terrestrial radiation comes from naturally occurring radiosiotopes of potassium and rubidium and from decay products of uranium and thorium. On average two thirds of the dose people receive comes from terrestrial sources. Much of this dose can come from the gas, radon, which is a decay product of uranium and thorium. Radon emanates from the soil and tends to concentrate in buildings. Overseas radon contributes a high proportion of background dose. However in Australia studies have shown that radon contributes a smaller proportion to background dose.

     

    Exposure Limits

    The International Commission on Radiological Protection (ICRP) has set the following limits on exposure to ionising radiation1:

     

    • The general public shall not be exposed to more than 1 mSv per annum (over and above natural background).
    • Occupational exposure shall not exceed 20 mSv per annum.

    These limits exclude exposure due to background and medical radiation.

     

    Monitoring of Radiation Exposure

    People who are occupationally exposed to ionising radiation can be monitored with a dosemeter which is worn as a badge attached to clothing. At monthly intervals the dosemeter is sent to a laboratory where the radiation exposure can be read. In Australia the average radiation worker receives a dose of 0.12 mSv per annum.

     

     

     

     

    Tables

     

    Man's Exposure To Ionising Radiation Source Of Exposure Exposure Natural Radiation (terrestrial and airborne) 1.2 mSv per year Natural Radiation (cosmic radiation at sea level) 0.3 mSv per year Total Natural Radiation 1.5 mSv per year Seven hour aeroplane flight 0.05 mSv Chest X-ray 0.04 mSv Nuclear Fallout (from atmospheric tests in 50's & 60's) 0.02 mSv per Year Chernobyl (people living in Control Zones near Chernobyl) 10 mSv per year Cosmic Radiation Exposure of Domestic Airline Pilot 2 mSv per year

     

     

    Health Risks Arising From Low Doses of Ionising Radiation Effect Risk Normal Incidence Risk of cancer from 1 mSv of radiation 1 in 17,000* 57 in 17,000** Risk of severe hereditary effect from 1 mSv of radiation 1 in 77,000 1,770 in 77,000

     

    * Age standardised lifetime probability for whole population.

    **Age standardised incidence rate for whole population (not necessarily fatal).

     

    The risk of obtaining cancer from 1 mSv of radiation exposure is equivalent to the risk of getting cancer from smoking approximately 100 cigarettes5.

     

     

    References

    1. Recommendations of the International Commission on Radiological Protection, ICRP Publication 60. Annals of the ICRP 21, p22 (ICRP 1990).
    2. P. Jelfs et al, Cancer in Australia 1983 - 85, Australian Institute of Health and Welfare Cancer Series 1, p101 (Australian Government Printing Service, 1992).
    3. Radiation: Doses, Effects, Risks. United Nations Environment Programme (Nairobe, 1985).
    4. A. Czeizel et al, in Multiple Congenital Abnormalities, p27 (Akademia Kiado, Budapest, 1988).
    5. Cohen, B.L. Catalog of risks extended and updated, Health Physics 61/3:317-333 (1991).

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    ..."The spiritual insight and moral steadfastness which enabled Van to maintain such an unshakable attitude of loyalty ... was the product of clear thinking, wise reasoning, logical judgment, sincere motivation, unselfish purpose, intelligent loyalty, experiential memory, disciplined character, and the unquestioning dedication of his personality to the doing of the will of the Father in Paradise." (756.7) 67:3.6 URANTIA.org

    .."..fruits of the divine spirit which are yielded in the lives of spirit-born and God-knowing mortals are: loving service, unselfish devotion, courageous loyalty, sincere fairness, enlightened honesty, undying hope, confiding trust, merciful ministry, unfailing goodness, forgiving tolerance, and enduring peace.." (2054.3) 193:2.2 URANTIA.org


  12. Hi Jean, i like your focus..(like this, that you put in your intro): "

    Difficulties may challenge mediocrity and defeat the fearful, but they only stimulate the true children of the Most Highs.
    "

     

    Every single person is different. Thank God. Together we "talk URAntia" ANY way, i think.. :-]) &'m intrigued by similarity between "URANTIA" ...and.... "uranium". Perhaps origin/history/destiny relates?? --Ell

     

    You write.."But the sharing of spiritual fruit, the simple economies of synergistic multiplication of unified effort do not happen on these forums and will not happen in Second Life.

     

    Permit me to enlighten you somehow about the universal fact that sharing of knowledge, from one soul to another, need not be by a physical appearance and witnessed and percieived in close proximity.

    Spiritual intimacy between universal souls and personalities are and can be done from the Center of the Universe to the furthest corner of the fourths outer space circuit.

     

    Your argumentative defense (your answer) of your proposition is inversely proportional to the truth contained.

     

    You further write....

    ("That faith is concerned only with the grasp of ideal values is shown by the New Testament definition which declares that faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.)

     

    What is " the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen" ? other than a minds attempt to grasp reality in all its universal greatness.

    Faith is NOT necessarily grasped ideal values but can and is in many "shituation" mere imaginary illusion from (of) a confused and/or self-deceived personality
    .

     

    You ask...

    If I may ask, do you belong to a study group? where people meet, in person, together?

     

    No....." seem to be a solitary messenger flying on angel wings of light, life and love..." and this makes me contented.
    :lol:

     

  13. Hi Nigel, all,

    After reading through some of your conversation I

    put "soul" in "Search" at the "Read the URANTIA Book".

    http://www.urantia.org/en/search/node/soul%20type%3Abook

     

    Here is one little line out of hundreds found at: http://www.urantia.org/en/urantia-book-sta...h-jump-result-0 :

    (1226.3)
    112:0.15
    13. Personality may survive mortal death with identity in the surviving soul. The Adjuster and the personality are changeless; the relationship between them (in the soul) is nothing but change, continuing evolution; and if this change (growth) ceased, the soul would cease.

    Hmmmm and after some thought here are a couple of lines from the Foreword found at http://www.urantia.org/en/urantia-book-sta...h-jump-result-0

    (8.10)
    0:5.10
    4.
    Soul.
    The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a
    new reality
    in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual — it is
    morontial.
    This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

     

    (9.1)
    0:5.11
    Personality.
    The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

     

    I've always liked that "factoid" I found early in my URANTIA study of the Foreword: "Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality."

     

    Isn't it reassuring to know that you and I and you and you and you ... are always the same person, and with God's good grace will grow to be better persons forever. --Ell

     

    Ok Bonita, now that's a great question :lol:

     

    How about something to do with the fact the while our personality is already

    accounted for in the (7-dimensional?) absolute, our "spirit status" is evolving

    along the Way defined by Michael? As we have been told, until we set sail

    from Nebadon, our "spirit status" is just becoming real, let alone more than

    finite. Thus there is this delay in co-ordinating our innately 7-d personality

    with the increasing dimensionality of our experiential spirit self?

     

    but I'd have to ponder that a while...

    Nigel


  14. THANKS TO ALL FOR HELPING with THIS.

     

    Camp Brotherhood was wonderful... see what founder

    91 year old Father Treacy invited us to participate in,

    along with over 50,000 others including

    the Mayor and city Council of Seattle, at:

    Charter for Compassion.

     

    Help spread the Charter more broadly by sharing it with

    your community: http://charterforcompassion.org/share

     

    Engage in compassionate action:

    http://charterforcompassion.org/act

     

    --EllenRG


  15. Dear NW URANTIA students, friends and CLP,

     

    Here is updated information about our

    NW Regional URANTIA Weekend August 20-22, 2010

    "Fatherhood of God=Brotherhood of Man"

    The annual UAUS CLP Meeting is Friday - August 20th, 2010 after lunch

    (CLP means Council of Local Presidents and Vice Presidents of UAUS)

     

    The ZIP CODE is wrong on the REGISTRATION form. It is really 98028.

    Motel-style rooms are SOLD OUT unless we fill the dorm, then reserve more.

    To attend, send REGISTRATION and $100 deposit per person, or entire fee to:

    WSUA NW URANTIA Conference

    P.O. Box 82694

    Kenmore, WA 98028

     

    --ALL persons must bring their own towels and toiletries.

    --Motel-style rooms are full, but there are plenty of bunks left.

    --Dorm-bunks have NO bedding, so we must bring our own: pillows and sleeping bags, or sheets & blankets

    --If you have special dietary requirements please leave a message for Janiece at 425-774-9811 or email her at janiece@abetterdaysalon.com .

    --To make a RESERVATION for a ride from Airporter Destination (Stanwood Exit 212) call Kevin at 206-353-4327 or email him at kgbus1@yahoo.com

    --call Ellen at 425-222-7374 / 425-373-6789 with any questions.

    --You may call Douglas to use debit or credit card at 425-774-9811.

     

    Conference fees before August 15th are as follows:

    --CLP Lunch and Meeting $20

    --Dorm-bunk Friday and Saturday $175 including 6 meals and Registration

    --Thursday night with Friday breakfast, lunch and CLP Meeting $75

    --RVs: Friday, Saturday & Sunday with meals and Registration $150 per person

    --Saturday (without lodging) including lunch, dinner, registration and evening festivities $100

    Late registration: after August 15th add $25/person.

    (Meal count due by August 15th.)

     

    DIRECTIONS to Camp Brotherhood:

    Take WA Interstate 5 to EXIT 221 (two-twenty-one)

    Go EAST on WA 534 to Hwy 9

    Turn RIGHT on Hwy 9 which jogs left at about 500 ft.

    Stay on WA-9 SOUTH (1.3 mi) to BROTHERHOOD ROAD

    Turn LEFT onto Brotherhood Road

    Go .3mi to RIGHT on Avalon Hide Away Rd. - GO 253 ft.

    Continue onto Brotherhood Rd .4 mi. to Dining Lodge

    Camp Brotherhood

    24880 Brotherhood Road

    Mount Vernon, WA 98274

    http://maps.google.com/maps?tab=ml

     

    NOTE: Persons arriving and departing from SeaTac Airport

    --must make reservations with the Airporter to and from Stanwood EXIT 212 (Exit two-twelve) http://www.airporter.com/shuttle

    --and make reservations with us to pick you up at the Shell station:

    --Please email Kevin Goodman: kgbus1@yahoo.com or call Kevin at 206-353-4327 or Ellen at 425-222-7374 / 425-373-6789

    --Airporter Shuttle: 1-866-235-5247 Round-Trip under $50

    --Departure: ALLOW 1.5 hours for ride & 2 hours at airport TOTAL 3.5 hours

    Airporter Schedule

    NORTHBOUND to Stanwood from SeaTac:

    7:30A 9:30A 11:30A 12:30P -- 2:30P 4:30P 6:30P 8:30P 10:30P 1:00A

    SOUTHBOUND from Stanwood* to SeaTac:

    3:15A 5:15A 7:15A 8:15A -- 10:15A 12:15P 2:15P 4:15P 6:15P 8:15P

    *requires advance reservation

    --

    VAN:.."..clear thinking, wise reasoning, logical judgment, sincere motivation, unselfish purpose, intelligent loyalty, experiential memory, disciplined character, and the unquestioning dedication of his personality to the doing of the will of the Father in Paradise." ..."..loving service, unselfish devotion, courageous loyalty, sincere fairness, enlightened honesty, undying hope, confiding trust, merciful ministry, unfailing goodness, forgiving tolerance, and enduring peace.." URANTIA.org


  16. Dear NW URANTIA students, friends and CLP,

     

    Here is updated information about our

    NW Regional URANTIA Weekend August 20-22, 2010

    "Fatherhood of God=Brotherhood of Man"

    The annual UAUS CLP Meeting is Friday - August 20th, 2010 after lunch

    (CLP means Council of Local Presidents and Vice Presidents of UAUS)

     

    The ZIP CODE is wrong on the REGISTRATION form. It is really 98028.

    Motel-style rooms are SOLD OUT unless we fill the dorm, then reserve more.

    To attend, send REGISTRATION and $100 deposit per person, or entire fee to:

    WSUA NW URANTIA Conference

    P.O. Box 82694

    Kenmore, WA 98028

     

    --ALL persons must bring their own towels and toiletries.

    --Motel-style rooms are full, but there are plenty of bunks left.

    --Dorm-bunks have NO bedding, so we must bring our own: pillows and sleeping bags, or sheets & blankets

    --If you have special dietary requirements please leave a message for Janiece at 425-774-9811 or email her at janiece@abetterdaysalon.com .

    --To make a RESERVATION for a ride from Airporter Destination (Stanwood Exit 212) call Kevin at 206-353-4327 or email him at kgbus1@yahoo.com

    --call Ellen at 425-222-7374 / 425-373-6789 with any questions.

    --You may call Douglas to use debit or credit card at 425-774-9811.

     

    Conference fees before August 15th are as follows:

    --CLP Lunch and Meeting $20

    --Dorm-bunk Friday and Saturday $175 including 6 meals and Registration

    --Thursday night with Friday breakfast, lunch and CLP Meeting $75

    --RVs: Friday, Saturday & Sunday with meals and Registration $150 per person

    --Saturday (without lodging) including lunch, dinner, registration and evening festivities $100

    Late registration: after August 15th add $25/person.

    (Meal count due by August 15th.)

     

    DIRECTIONS to Camp Brotherhood:

    Take WA Interstate 5 to EXIT 221 (two-twenty-one)

    Go EAST on WA 534 to Hwy 9

    Turn RIGHT on Hwy 9 which jogs left at about 500 ft.

    Stay on WA-9 SOUTH (1.3 mi) to BROTHERHOOD ROAD

    Turn LEFT onto Brotherhood Road

    Go .3mi to RIGHT on Avalon Hide Away Rd. - GO 253 ft.

    Continue onto Brotherhood Rd .4 mi. to Dining Lodge

    Camp Brotherhood

    24880 Brotherhood Road

    Mount Vernon, WA 98274

    http://maps.google.com/maps?tab=ml

     

    NOTE: Persons arriving and departing from SeaTac Airport

    --must make reservations with the Airporter to and from Stanwood EXIT 212 (Exit two-twelve) http://www.airporter.com/shuttle

    --and make reservations with us to pick you up at the Shell station:

    --Please email Kevin Goodman: kgbus1@yahoo.com or call Kevin at 206-353-4327 or Ellen at 425-222-7374 / 425-373-6789

    --Airporter Shuttle: 1-866-235-5247 Round-Trip under $50

    --Departure: ALLOW 1.5 hours for ride & 2 hours at airport TOTAL 3.5 hours

    Airporter Schedule

    NORTHBOUND to Stanwood from SeaTac:

    7:30A 9:30A 11:30A 12:30P -- 2:30P 4:30P 6:30P 8:30P 10:30P 1:00A

    SOUTHBOUND from Stanwood* to SeaTac:

    3:15A 5:15A 7:15A 8:15A -- 10:15A 12:15P 2:15P 4:15P 6:15P 8:15P

    *requires advance reservation

    --

    VAN:.."..clear thinking, wise reasoning, logical judgment, sincere motivation, unselfish purpose, intelligent loyalty, experiential memory, disciplined character, and the unquestioning dedication of his personality to the doing of the will of the Father in Paradise." ..."..loving service, unselfish devotion, courageous loyalty, sincere fairness, enlightened honesty, undying hope, confiding trust, merciful ministry, unfailing goodness, forgiving tolerance, and enduring peace.." URANTIA.org


  17. Meredith, your statement is very clear and I appreciate it, much, including:

     

    I'd like to make a point about study groups in the context of the HULA Proposal. Some have argued that UAI not be concerned about what or how study groups do their thing. The argument is based upon the idea that study groups are autonomous. Anyone anywhere can start and lead a study group in the manner of the choosing of the leader/s.

     

    UAI study groups database should not meld in a database with Fellowship study groups.

     

     

    e: You would be happy to know that the UAUS Study Groups Committee is diligently working towards common goals. There are openings for volunteers to visit local study groups and participate in conference calls as one method of getting to know each other. to begin with. --Ell

     

    Dear Ellen, all,

     

    One day soon Urantia Association of the United States will take up the HULA Proposal by calling for a motion on the issue from one of the local associations in the U.S. Three weeks have passed, since the Proposal came to my attention via our local association president. We members have shared our thoughts and opinions on the matter among ourselves. Perhaps such sharing has occurred in other locals here in the U.S. as well.

     

    I am not writing as a representative of my local association, but rather I am writing to express my thinking on the issue. Your thinking may differ from mine. You're invited to share what you think. I support the Proposal, as written. UAI has every right to articulate a limitation in its defining documents concerning the non-support of the phenomena of channeling in UAI sponsored study groups and activities in the same manner as a limitation is placed in our defining documents concerning the formation of a church.

     

    <b>

    "1.6 In addition UAI shall not be nor shall it form a church or an organized religion." (UAI STATEMENT OF PURPOSE, ARTICLE 1)

    </b>

     

    In support of adding a limitation concerning channeling in our defining documents I would like to point out to you the fact that here in the UAI sponsored and administered forum (www.urantia-uai.org/forums/) the administrators and moderators disallow and actively prevent those who would post channeled material and links to channeled material or who would prefer to discuss such material, as the UB Forum is established as a venue for the in-depth study of the UB, not other material. Rule #5 of the Forum rules states:

     

    <b>

    5. Material not in The Urantia Book, but relevant to the topic under consideration, may be quoted. Human authorship is assumed and referencing should include the published source where the quote may be found in context.

     

    Posting of any content which implies direct or explicit communication with celestials or former mortals, or, which presumes to contain exact knowledge about the survival potential or the post-mortal status of specific individuals, or, which presents specific information concerning extra-terrestrial or spiritual realms which cannot be referenced in The Urantia Book, is not allowed.

     

    Presenting examples of such activities and materials is permitted exclusively for the purposes of example pursuant to discussion of the effect that such materials, expressions and/or associated individuals, groups and organizations may have on matters related to the Fifth Epochal Revelation.

    </b>

     

    On a daily basis the Forum staff are diligent in seeing to it that such content, links and individuals are monitored . If a question arises, we handle it promptly with grace and fairness.

     

    Since the UAI Forum disallows channeling, doesn't it stand to reason that our defining documents should catch up in fact to what is already in place and functioning in this venue - Urantia Book Forum?

     

    I'd like to make a point about study groups in the context of the HULA Proposal. Some have argued that UAI not be concerned about what or how study groups do their thing. The argument is based upon the idea that study groups are autonomous. Anyone anywhere can start and lead a study group in the manner of the choosing of the leader/s. After all, thousands of study groups are envisioned going forward to foster the in-depth study of the book with the hope of the dissemination of the teachings of the book. I continue to urge the formation of study groups. And I have done so, ever since I began to do Reader Referral work a few years back.

     

    Let me mention Reader Referral work. Urantia Foundation receives inquiries from readers worldwide. When someone wants to contact other readers in his/her area, UF dispatches his/her name and contact info to an appropriate leader in UAI, and that info is passed to others, such as myself. I would follow through by writing, phoning or by emailing the person and always suggest that he/she can start a study group. In locales where I knew of an existing s.g. I would refer the person to it with a disclaimer statement from me that I had no idea what the group was about and that the individual would have to decide for him/herself if it would be a good fit. I would reinforce the hope that the unknown s.g. would be similar to mine in stability and in focus on the UB, not other material. I mention Reader Referrals, because sometimes a reader from this source is actually looking for an existing s.g. and my s.g. has grown as a result of this, as has our local association.

     

    UAI members/leaders host study groups. Fellowship members/leaders host study groups. Others, meaning neither UAI nor Fellowship, host study groups. I only mention this fact as a backdrop to the matter under discussion now. I do not intentionally refer readers to s.g. which are known to me to be either involved in the study of other material or for other reasons, as well, but remember, I am an active leader of UAI not the Fellowship! I prefer UAI. My guess is that leaders in the Fellowship prefer to refer readers to their study groups as well. I do invite study group participants to join us. I do not invite study group participants to join the Fellowship! This is not unusual or unreasonable. I think UAI is the most principled service organization on the planet, as related to the UB, and that is my preference. I desire to grow UAI, not the Fellowship!

     

    I would never refer a reader to a study group in existence which I know is involved in channeling activities. It has come to the attention of some members of my s.g. that a study group nearby us (about a 20 minute drive) is run by a man and his wife who hold views very different from others we've known. And we do know these people, as they have attended activities we've organized. Unfortunately the UB attracts people who are into strange beliefs. I would never refer a reader to this group. Why would I refer a reader to s.g. where those who lead it believe the husband is the offspring of an alien? It is of note that on the Fellowship website this particular study group is the one listed for my area. This particular s.g. should not be listed as a UAI sponsored study group. And there are others.

     

    UAI study groups database should not meld in a database with Fellowship study groups.
    But this is a different issue, different from the HULA Proposal.

     

    UAI should disclaim sponsorship of study groups involved in channeling activities. A disclaimer of this sort informs would be UAI members of who we are, what we support, as well as what we do not support. Channeling will always have its adherents. It's not going to go away anytime soon, any more than astrology or guruism will go away.

     

    Thanks for lending an ear,

    Meredith


  18. Greetings everyone,

    I am pleased to announce that our NW Regional Conference

    "Fatherhood of God - Brotherhood of Man"

    early registration is extended until June 30.

    The conference is August 20-22, 2010 at

    Camp Brotherhood in Washington State, U.S.

    ( FRIDAY dinner through SUNDAY lunch )

     

    The UAUS CLP meeting will be after lunch FRIDAY.

     

    All are welcome.

    We'll feature presentations from UAI Locals in the NW Region including Canada and California, so if you are interested please

    contact Janiece at janiece528@verizon.net

     

    If you want to register please email

    Jim Nelson at jbnels123@hotmail.com

    You may send a $100/person deposit to reserve

    your spot and qualify for the early registration to

    WSUA NW Conference

    PO Box 82694

    Kenmore, WA 98028

    Dorm bunks are $150

    Motel style room (double occupancy) $200

    Fee includes 2 nights, 6 meals and Registration fee

    Rates go up $25 on June 30th and again Aug. 15th

    You may add Thursday night, Friday breakfast and lunch

    for the CLP meeting for an additional $75.

     

    We are arranging a shuttle from the LOCAL Airporter station --

    precise location still to be determined. That round trip fare

    is around $50 from SeaTac to station.

     

    You can also email or call me if you have questions.

    I am happy to find out the answers for you. --EllenRG

     

    Ellen Rose Gaynor - ellen.gaynor@gmail.com

    UAUS Study Groups Committee - Pacific Time Zone

    Home: 425-222-7374 Cell: 425-373-6789 Explanation of ACRONYMS:

    UAI = Urantia Association International

    ISB = International Service Board (of the UAI)

    UAUS = Urantia Association of the United States

    CLP = UAUS Council of Local Presidents + Vice Presidents

    SGC = Study Groups Committee (of the UAUS)

    --

    .."..fruits of the divine spirit which are yielded in the lives of spirit-born and God-knowing mortals are: loving service, unselfish devotion, courageous loyalty, sincere fairness, enlightened honesty, undying hope, confiding trust, merciful ministry, unfailing goodness, forgiving tolerance, and enduring peace.." (2054.3) 193:2.2 URANTIA.org

    ..."The spiritual insight and moral steadfastness which enabled Van to maintain such an unshakable attitude of loyalty (...) was the product of clear thinking, wise reasoning, logical judgment, sincere motivation, unselfish purpose, intelligent loyalty, experiential memory, disciplined character, and the unquestioning dedication of his personality to the doing of the will of the Father in Paradise." (756.7) 67:3.6 URANTIA.org


  19. Hi Meredith V, and thank you for facilitating this discussion.

     

    I think you answered Rick W's question well, and appreciate Bill M's inclusion of links for those of us who may not be well informed about the history, situation and concerns being addressed by HULA's proposed addition to official UAI policy.

     

    I believe we need to stipulate this policy concerning presenters, but not restrict individuals from attending events, based on their "channeling" interests or reputation. Many persons, especially those new as students of The URANTIA Book, are unaware of this as a problem, and at the same time, would likely have difficulty differentiating between a genuine URANTIA student, and someone who is exploiting the language and cosmology of The URANTIA Book for power, profit, control.

     

    Event coordinators should not have to screen all attendees, but they should carefully research or already well know the presenters they invite as "teachers and leaders". One way to be sure event presenters are not "channelers" is to aggressively recruit the finest representatives of UAI who already stand for the principles UAI is fostering, including thorough knowledge of The URANTIA Book.

     

    I sincerely hope UAI members will find their way here to discuss this, and other concerns.

     

    --EllenRG

     

    ALSO: If you are attending the NW Regional Conference (and UAUS CLP meeting) August 20-22 at Camp Brotherhood, WA State, sending your $100 deposit by June 14th will secure the best rates now. ( WSUA PO Box 82694 - Kenmore WA 98028 ) The event organizers are keeping event costs very reasonable to help compensate for your travel costs: $150 /bunk, or $200/double occupancy motel room, include 2 nights, 6 meals, conference fee, but the cost goes up by $25 after June 15th and again after Aug 15th. --Ell


  20. Very interesting conversation. I still think the URANTIA book is pretty specific, though. Read page 2054.3 at urantia.org , for example, then please say what you think of it here... I mean both you, Tim and Uncle Vinny, OK? --EllenRG

     

     

    Most "Mormons" are open to new ideas and scripture. We still hold fast to the older texts too. My experience has been that the older a religion gets, the more it gets stuck in it's own ruts. The flip side of this equation are those who believe in a newer text/religion, but they discard all that we already have as too old or too irrelevent. What a mistake both perspectives are. Since Truth is never changing and all encompasing, it is really the way things really are. Maybe not the way things are in this life, but everything else after this life either eventually conforms to Truth of ceases to exist. God and all those Celestial beings have made the decision to become Truth and therefore they will live forever. They want us to become as they are, nothing more, nothing less. It's just too sad that most people, at least in this life, fail to recognize that simple overriding Truth. In the Book of Abraham the quote is so simple yet true: "Behold this is my work and my glory; to bring to pass the Immortality and Eternal life of Man." - God

     

    The sad part of this life is those that force any individual, coerce any individual, or kill any individual because they don't agree with them will find themselves after this life a few steps closer to extinction, not closer to Eternal life. They will have a serious wake up call. This has been my goal in life to show that we are all on the path if we act selflessly, not selfishly. One leads to Eternal Life, the other to Eternal Extinction. We may have differing ideas, but they only really appear different. As Jesus said in the Book of Ether, "And whatsoever thing persuadeth men to do good is of me; for good cometh of none save it be of me." We shouldn't worry about who's right or who's wrong as much as we should worry if we are becoming more selfish or more selfless in this life.

     

    Just some thoughts. Thanks for yours, I enjoyed them.


  21. STUDY of the "..probationary era of planetary rehabilitation.."
    Some contend that Lucifer is dead and the circuits are opening up. I don't believe that for many many reasons, but below are some references which indicate to me that the "planetary rehabilitation" refered to is of ALL 37 planets included in the rebellion, and, furthermore... it appears to me that our planet may be in a process that is, in a way, the STAGE or PLATFORM for very real Universe CONSIDERATION that is part of the adjudication, itself. Not only that, but I think we will remain in this condition for a very long time.

     

    One major consideration often ignored by those who SAY Lucifer "is dead" is that we are isolated on at least two levels: the planetary level and the SYSTEM level. Quite often the fact that our ENTIRE SYSTEM was isolated goes completely unnoticed by most students.

     

    NOTE:
    "..all
    sympathy
    for Lucifer and Satan
    has perished
    throughout all Satania, that is,
    outside the isolated worlds
    of sin."

     

     

     

    UBp758: "The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service
    when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion,
    which they have so recently begun
    .
    "

    ---------EllenRG

     

     

    UBp605: "Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that the "
    government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof
    ."

     

    "Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But
    the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania
    "

     

    For
    three hundred thousand years Caligastia had been in charge of Urantia when Satan, Lucifer's assistant, made one of his periodic inspection calls. And when Satan arrived on the planet, his appearance in no way resembled your caricatures of his nefarious majesty. He was, and still is, a Lanonandek Son of great brilliance. "And no marvel, for Satan himself
    is a
    brilliant
    creature of
    light
    ."

     

    In the course of this inspection Satan informed Caligastia of Lucifer's then proposed "Declaration of Liberty," and as we now know, the Prince agreed to betray the planet upon the announcement of the rebellion.
    The loyal universe personalities look with peculiar disdain upon Prince Caligastia because of this premeditated betrayal of trust.
    The Creator Son voiced this contempt when he said: "You are like your leader, Lucifer, and you have sinfully perpetuated his iniquity. He was a falsifier from the beginning of his self-exaltation because he abode not in the truth."

     

     

     

    UBp757: "..at last the final decision of the last personality was made, and then, but only then, did a Most High of Edentia arrive with the emergency Melchizedeks to seize authority on Urantia. The Caligastia panoramic reign-records on Jerusem were obliterated, and
    the probationary era of planetary rehabilitation was inaugurated
    ."

     

    "The bestowal of Michael
    terminated the Lucifer rebellion in all Satania aside from the planets of the apostate
    Planetary Princes."

     

    "Upon the actual outbreak of the insurrection
    the entire system of Satania was isolated
    in both the constellation and the universe circuits."

     

    "The
    circuits to the fallen worlds were also cut off
    , so that Lucifer could not utilize this avenue for the furtherance of his nefarious scheme."

     

    "..these
    circuits will not be restored so long as the archrebel lives
    within the confines of Satania."

     

    Subsequent to their effort to corrupt Michael when in the bestowal flesh, all sympathy for Lucifer and Satan has perished throughout all Satania,
    that is, outside the isolated worlds
    of sin.

     

    UBp605: "Christ Michael now has ample power and authority to deal promptly, even summarily, with such outbreaks of disloyalty, but
    we doubt that this sovereign authority would lead him to act differently if another such upheaval should occur
    ."

    REFERENCES:

     

     

    UBp607: "All secession propaganda had to be carried on by personal effort because the broadcast service and all other avenues of interplanetary communication were suspended by the action of the system circuit supervisors. Upon the actual outbreak of the insurrection the entire system of Satania was isolated in both the constellation and the universe circuits. During this time all incoming and outgoing messages were dispatched by seraphic agents and Solitary Messengers. The circuits to the fallen worlds were also cut off, so that Lucifer could not utilize this avenue for the furtherance of his nefarious scheme. And these circuits will not be restored so long as the archrebel lives within the confines of Satania."

     

    UBp609: "While Lucifer was deprived of all administrative authority in Satania, there then existed no local universe power nor tribunal which could detain or destroy this wicked rebel; at that time Michael was not a sovereign ruler. The Ancients of Days sustained the Constellation Fathers in their seizure of the system government, but
    they have never handed down any subsequent decisions in the many appeals still pending with regard to the present status and future disposition of Lucifer, Satan, and their associates
    .
    "Thus were these archrebels allowed to roam the entire system to seek further penetration for their doctrines of discontent and self-assertion. But in almost two hundred thousand Urantia years they have been unable to deceive another world. No Satania worlds have been lost since the fall of the thirty-seven, not even those younger worlds peopled since that day of rebellion.

     

     

    "8. THE SON OF MAN ON URANTIA
    "Lucifer and Satan freely roamed the Satania system until the completion of the bestowal mission of Michael on Urantia. They were last on your world together during the time of their combined assault upon the Son of Man.

     

    "Formerly, when the Planetary Princes, the "Sons of God," were periodically assembled, "Satan came also," claiming that he represented all of the isolated worlds of the fallen Planetary Princes. But he has not been accorded such liberty on Jerusem since Michael's terminal bestowal.
    Subsequent to their effort to corrupt Michael when in the bestowal flesh, all sympathy for Lucifer and Satan has perished throughout all Satania, that is, outside the isolated worlds of sin.

     

    "The bestowal of Michael terminated the Lucifer rebellion in all Satania
    aside from the planets of the apostate Planetary Princes
    ."

     

    .......

     

     

     

    Page 605 While there had been two previous rebellions in Nebadon, they were in distant constellations. Lucifer held that these insurrections were unsuccessful because the majority of the intelligences failed to follow their leaders. He contended that "majorities rule," that "mind is infallible." The freedom allowed him by the universe rulers apparently sustained many of his nefarious contentions. He defied all his superiors; yet they apparently took no note of his doings. He was given a free hand to prosecute his seductive plan without let or hindrance.
    All the merciful delays of justice Lucifer pointed to as evidence of the inability of the government of the Paradise Sons to stop the rebellion. He would openly defy and arrogantly challenge Michael, Immanuel, and the Ancients of Days and then point to the fact that no action ensued as positive evidence of the impotency of the universe and the superuniverse governments.

     

    Gabriel was personally present throughout all these disloyal proceedings and only announced that he would, in due time, speak for Michael, and that all beings would be left free and unmolested in their choice; that
    the "government of the Sons for the Father desired only that loyalty and devotion which was voluntary, wholehearted, and sophistry-proof.
    "

     

    Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds.

     

    5. NATURE OF THE CONFLICT

     

    Upon the outbreak of the Satania rebellion, Michael took counsel of his Paradise brother, Immanuel. Following this momentous conference, Michael announced that he would pursue the same policy which had characterized his dealings with similar upheavals in the past, an attitude of noninterference.

     

    At the time of this rebellion and the two which preceded it there was no absolute and personal sovereign authority in the universe of Nebadon. Michael ruled by divine right, as vicegerent of the Universal Father, but not yet in his own personal right. He had not completed his bestowal career; he had not yet been vested with "all power in heaven and on earth."

     

    From the outbreak of rebellion to the day of his enthronement as sovereign ruler of Nebadon, Michael never interfered with the rebel forces of Lucifer; they were allowed to run a free course for almost two hundred thousand years of Urantia time. Christ Michael now has ample power and authority to deal promptly, even summarily, with such outbreaks of disloyalty, but we doubt that this sovereign authority would lead him to act differently if another such upheaval should occur.

     

    Since Michael elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare of the Lucifer rebellion, Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania. Michael remained on Salvington while Gabriel proceeded to Jerusem, and establishing himself on the sphere dedicated to the Father--the same Universal Page 606 Father whose personality Lucifer and Satan had questioned--in the presence of the forgathered hosts of loyal personalities, he displayed the banner of Michael, the material emblem of the Trinity government of all creation, the three azure blue concentric circles on a white background.

     

    The Lucifer emblem was a banner of white with one red circle, in the center of which a black solid circle appeared.

     

    "There was war in heaven; Michael's commander and his angels fought against the dragon (Lucifer, Satan, and the apostate princes); and the dragon and his rebellious angels fought but prevailed not."
    This "war in heaven" was not a physical battle as such a conflict might be conceived on Urantia.
    In the early days of the struggle Lucifer held forth continuously in the planetary amphitheater. Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand. The various personalities present on the sphere who were in doubt as to their attitude would journey back and forth between these discussions until they arrived at a final decision.

     

    But
    this war in heaven was very terrible and very real
    . While displaying none of the barbarities so characteristic of physical warfare on the immature worlds,
    this conflict was far more deadly; material life is in jeopardy in material combat, but the war in heaven was fought in terms of life eternal
    .

     

     

     

     

     

    Page 602 Very little was heard of Lucifer on Urantia owing to the fact that he assigned his first lieutenant, Satan, to advocate his cause on your planet. Satan was a member of the same primary group of Lanonandeks but had never functioned as a System Sovereign; he entered fully into the Lucifer insurrection. The "devil" is none other than Caligastia, the deposed Planetary Prince of Urantia and a Son of the secondary order of Lanonandeks. At the time Michael was on Urantia in the flesh, Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia were leagued together to effect the miscarriage of his bestowal mission. But they signally failed.

     

    From the arrival of Prince Caligastia, planetary civilization progressed in a fairly normal manner for almost three hundred thousand years. Aside from being a life-modification sphere and therefore subject to numerous irregularities and unusual episodes of evolutionary fluctuation, Urantia progressed very satisfactorily in its planetary career up to the times of the Lucifer rebellion and the concurrent Caligastia betrayal.
    All subsequent history has been definitely modified by this catastrophic blunder as well as by the later failure of Adam and Eve to fulfill their planetary mission.

     

    The Prince of Urantia went into darkness at the time of the Lucifer rebellion,
    thus precipitating the long confusion of the planet
    . He was subsequently deprived of sovereign authority by the co-ordinate action of the constellation rulers and Page 753 other universe authorities. He shared the inevitable vicissitudes of
    isolated Urantia
    down to the time of Adam's sojourn on the planet and contributed something to the miscarriage of the plan to uplift the mortal races through the infusion of the lifeblood of the new violet race--the descendants of Adam and Eve.

     

    The power of the fallen Prince to disturb human affairs was enormously curtailed by the mortal incarnation of Machiventa Melchizedek in the days of Abraham; and subsequently, during the life of Michael in the flesh, this traitorous Prince was finally shorn of all authority on Urantia.

     

    The doctrine of a personal devil on Urantia, though it had some foundation in the planetary presence of the traitorous and iniquitous Caligastia, was nevertheless wholly fictitious in its teachings that such a "devil" could influence the normal human mind against its free and natural choosing. Even before Michael's bestowal on Urantia, neither Caligastia nor Daligastia was ever able to oppress mortals or to coerce any normal individual into doing anything against the human will. The free will of man is supreme in moral affairs; even the indwelling Thought Adjuster refuses to compel man to think a single thought or to perform a single act against the choosing of man's own will.

     

    And now this rebel of the realm, shorn of all power to harm his former subjects, awaits the final adjudication, by the Uversa Ancients of Days, of all who participated in the Lucifer rebellion.

     

    [Presented by a Melchizedek of Nebadon.]

     

     

     

    UBp758: "The vast majority of all human and superhuman beings who were victims of the Lucifer rebellion on Jerusem and the various misled planets have long since heartily repented of their folly; and we truly believe that all such sincere penitents will in some manner be rehabilitated and restored to some phase of universe service
    when the Ancients of Days finally complete the adjudication of the affairs of the Satania rebellion,
    which they have so recently begun
    .
    "

     

    UBp760: "It should be recorded that, when Van appealed to the Most Highs of Edentia after Lucifer had sustained Caligastia on Urantia, the Constellation Fathers dispatched an immediate decision sustaining Van on every point of his contention. This verdict failed to reach him because the planetary circuits of communication were severed while it was in transit.
    Only recently was this actual ruling discovered lodged in the possession of a relay energy transmitter where it had been marooned ever since the isolation of Urantia.
    Without this discovery
    , made as the result of the investigations of the Urantia midwayers,
    the release of this decision would have awaited the restoration of Urantia to the constellation circuits
    .
    And this apparent accident of interplanetary communication was possible because energy transmitters can receive and transmit intelligence, but they cannot initiate communication."

     

     

     

    THE URANTIA BOOK
    PART III - THE HISTORY OF URANTIA

     

    Page 754

     

    PAPER 67 - THE PLANETARY REBELLION

     

    The problems associated with human existence on Urantia are impossible of understanding without a knowledge of certain great epochs of the past, notably the occurrence and consequences of the planetary rebellion. Although this upheaval did not seriously interfere with the progress of organic evolution, it did markedly modify the course of social evolution and of spiritual development. The entire superphysical history of the planet was profoundly influenced by this devastating calamity.

     

     

    1. THE CALIGASTIA BETRAYAL
    For
    three hundred thousand years Caligastia had been in charge of Urantia when Satan, Lucifer's assistant, made one of his periodic inspection calls. And when Satan arrived on the planet, his appearance in no way resembled your caricatures of his nefarious majesty. He was, and still is, a Lanonandek Son of great brilliance. "And no marvel, for Satan himself
    is a
    brilliant
    creature of
    light
    ."

     

    In the course of this inspection Satan informed Caligastia of Lucifer's then proposed "Declaration of Liberty," and as we now know, the Prince agreed to betray the planet upon the announcement of the rebellion.
    The loyal universe personalities look with peculiar disdain upon Prince Caligastia because of this premeditated betrayal of trust.
    The Creator Son voiced this contempt when he said: "You are like your leader, Lucifer, and you have sinfully perpetuated his iniquity. He was a falsifier from the beginning of his self-exaltation because he abode not in the truth."

     

    In all the administrative work of a local universe
    no high trust is deemed more sacred than that reposed in a Planetary Prince who assumes responsibility for the welfare and guidance of the evolving mortals on a newly inhabited world
    . And of all forms of evil, none are more destructive of personality status than betrayal of trust and disloyalty to one's confiding friends. In committing this deliberate sin, Caligastia so completely distorted his personality that his mind has never since been able fully to regain its equilibrium.

     

    There are many ways of looking at sin, but
    from the universe philosophic viewpoint sin is the attitude of a personality who is knowingly resisting cosmic reality
    . Error might be regarded as a misconception or distortion of reality. Evil is a partial realization of, or maladjustment to, universe realities. But sin is a purposeful resistance to divine reality--a conscious choosing to oppose spiritual progress--while
    iniquity consists in an open and persistent defiance of recognized reality and signifies such a degree of personality disintegration as to border on cosmic insanity
    .

     

    Page 755 Error suggests lack of intellectual keenness; evil, deficiency of wisdom; sin, abject spiritual poverty; but
    iniquity is indicative of vanishing personality control
    .

     

    And when sin has so many times been chosen and so often been repeated, it may become habitual. Habitual sinners can easily become iniquitous, become wholehearted rebels against the universe and all of its divine realities. While all manner of sins may be forgiven, we doubt whether the established iniquiter would ever sincerely experience sorrow for his misdeeds or accept forgiveness for his sins.

     

     

    2. THE OUTBREAK OF REBELLION
    Shortly after Satan's inspection and when the planetary administration was on the eve of the realization of great things on Urantia, one day, midwinter of the northern continents, Caligastia held a prolonged conference with his associate, Daligastia, after which the latter called the ten councils of Urantia in session extraordinary. This assembly was opened with the statement that Prince Caligastia was about to proclaim himself absolute sovereign of Urantia and demanded that all administrative groups abdicate by resigning all of their functions and powers into the hands of Daligastia as trustee, pending the reorganization of the planetary government and the subsequent redistribution of these offices of administrative authority.

     

    The presentation of this astounding demand was followed by the masterly appeal of Van, chairman of the supreme council of co-ordination. This distinguished administrator and able jurist branded the proposed course of Caligastia as an act bordering on planetary rebellion and appealed to his conferees to abstain from all participation until an appeal could be taken to Lucifer, the System Sovereign of Satania; and he won the support of the entire staff. Accordingly, appeal was taken to Jerusem, and forthwith came back the orders designating Caligastia as supreme sovereign on Urantia and commanding absolute and unquestioning allegiance to his mandates. And it was in reply to this amazing message that the noble Van made his memorable address of seven hours' length in which he formally drew his indictment of Daligastia, Caligastia, and Lucifer as standing in contempt of the sovereignty of the universe of Nebadon; and he appealed to the Most Highs of Edentia for support and confirmation.

     

    Meantime the system circuits had been severed; Urantia was isolated.
    Every group of celestial life on the planet found itself suddenly and without warning isolated, utterly cut off from all outside counsel and advice.

     

    Daligastia formally proclaimed Caligastia "God of Urantia and supreme over all." With this proclamation before them, the issues were clearly drawn; and each group drew off by itself and began deliberations, discussions destined eventually to determine the fate of every superhuman personality on the planet.

     

    Seraphim and cherubim and other celestial beings were involved in the decisions of this bitter struggle, this long and sinful conflict. Many superhuman groups that chanced to be on Urantia at the time of its isolation were detained here and, like the seraphim and their associates, were compelled to choose between sin and righteousness--between the ways of Lucifer and the will of the unseen Father.

     

    Page 756 For more than seven years this struggle continued. Not until every personality concerned had made a final decision, would or did the authorities of Edentia interfere or intervene. Not until then did Van and his loyal associates receive vindication and release from their prolonged anxiety and intolerable suspense.

     

     

     

     

    3. THE SEVEN CRUCIAL YEARS
    The outbreak of rebellion on Jerusem, the capital of Satania, was broadcast by the Melchizedek council. The emergency Melchizedeks were immediately dispatched to Jerusem, and Gabriel volunteered to act as the representative of the Creator Son, whose authority had been challenged.
    With this broadcast of the fact of rebellion in Satania the system was isolated, quarantined, from her sister systems. There was "war in heaven," the headquarters of Satania, and it spread to every planet in the local system.

     

    On Urantia forty members of the corporeal staff of one hundred (including Van) refused to join the insurrection. Many of the staff's human assistants (modified and otherwise) were also brave and noble defenders of Michael and his universe government. There was a terrible loss of personalities among seraphim and cherubim. Almost one half of the administrator and transition seraphim assigned to the planet joined their leader and Daligastia in support of the cause of Lucifer. Forty thousand one hundred and nineteen of the primary midway creatures joined hands with Caligastia, but the remainder of these beings remained true to their trust.

     

    The traitorous Prince marshaled the disloyal midway creatures and other groups of rebel personalities and organized them to execute his bidding, while Van assembled the loyal midwayers and other faithful groups and
    began the great battle for the salvation of the planetary staff and other marooned celestial personalities
    .

     

    During the times of this struggle the loyalists dwelt in an unwalled and poorly protected settlement a few miles to the east of Dalamatia, but their dwellings were guarded day and night by the alert and ever-watchful loyal midway creatures, and they had possession of the priceless tree of life.

     

    Upon the outbreak of rebellion, loyal cherubim and seraphim, with the aid of three faithful midwayers, assumed the custody of the tree of life and permitted only the forty loyalists of the staff and their associated modified mortals to partake of the fruit and leaves of this energy plant. There were fifty-six of these modified Andonite associates of the staff, sixteen of the Andonite attendants of the disloyal staff refusing to go into rebellion with their masters.

     

    Throughout the seven crucial years of the Caligastia rebellion, Van was wholly devoted to the work of ministry to his loyal army of men, midwayers, and angels.
    The spiritual insight and moral steadfastness which enabled Van to maintain such an unshakable attitude of loyalty to the universe government was the product of clear thinking, wise reasoning, logical judgment, sincere motivation, unselfish purpose, intelligent loyalty, experiential memory, disciplined character, and the unquestioning dedication of his personality to the doing of the will of the Father in Paradise.

     

    This seven years of waiting was a time of heart searching and soul discipline. Such crises in the affairs of a universe demonstrate the tremendous influence of mind as a factor in spiritual choosing. Education, training, and experience are Page 757 factors in most of the vital decisions of all evolutionary moral creatures. But it is entirely possible for the indwelling spirit to make direct contact with the decision-determining powers of the human personality so as to empower the fully consecrated will of the creature to perform amazing acts of loyal devotion to the will and the way of the Father in Paradise. And this is just what occurred in the experience of Amadon, the modified human associate of Van.

     

    Amadon is the outstanding human hero of the Lucifer rebellion. This male descendant of Andon and Fonta was one of the one hundred who contributed life plasm to the Prince's staff, and ever since that event he had been attached to Van as his associate and human assistant. Amadon elected to stand with his chief throughout the long and trying struggle. And it was an inspiring sight to behold this child of the evolutionary races standing unmoved by the sophistries of Daligastia while throughout the seven-year struggle he and his loyal associates resisted with unyielding fortitude all of the deceptive teachings of the brilliant Caligastia.

     

    Caligastia, with a maximum of intelligence and a vast experience in universe affairs, went astray--embraced sin. Amadon, with a minimum of intelligence and utterly devoid of universe experience, remained steadfast in the service of the universe and in loyalty to his associate. Van utilized both mind and spirit in a magnificent and effective combination of intellectual determination and spiritual insight, thereby achieving an experiential level of personality realization of the highest attainable order. Mind and spirit, when fully united, are potential for the creation of superhuman values, even morontia realities.

     

    There is no end to the recital of the stirring events of these tragic days. But at last the final decision of the last personality was made, and then, but only then, did a Most High of Edentia arrive with the emergency Melchizedeks to seize authority on Urantia. The Caligastia panoramic reign-records on Jerusem were obliterated, and
    the probationary era of planetary rehabilitation was inaugurated
    .

     

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


  22. Thank you Alina, Bonita and Allen, for your interest and contribution to this topic:

    "Understanding Ardi"

    Please know I am following this topic even if personal responsibilities prevent me from participating in discussion at this time.

     

    By the way, I am also interested in following scientific reports of the poisoning of our oceans which could lead to a lack of oxygen in our atmosphere. I think our up-stepped understanding (of how science, human behavior and Our Father, God's loving will be done, all) intertwine to fulfill -or- perhaps default in our destinies, mean we need to pay attention and raise legitimate concerns when most vital to sustaining life here on Urantia.

     

    Thanks again,

    Ellen Rose Gaynor


  23. "Understanding Ardi"

     

    A new revelatory discovery is now published about biped fossils that pre-date "Lucy".

     

    http://dsc.discovery.com/tv/ardipithecus/ardipithecus.html

    Scientists have "pegged" the date at 4.4 M years ago. I wonder about that.

    Is it possible that "carbon dating" etc. is not securely based on reality?

     

    Just as they HAD to find evidence before we could collectively agree that

    HUMANs are not evolved from apes, but maybe came from a common root,

    then they MUST have evidence that helps them correct "dating" if need be.

     

    It occurred to me that perhaps our planet's length-of-year-evolution might

    play a large part of this realignment of "dating" theory. There are probably

    a lot of considerations we could glean from our study of "The URANTIA Book"

    that could adjust the "dating" equation.

     

    ..just think`n.. --------Ell


  24. Hi Everybody,

     

    The URANTIA Book says

    "..on Uversa we teach forty-eight

    reasons for permitting evil to run the

    full course of its own moral bankruptcy

    and spiritual extinction."

    I ask: What are we dealing with on a universe scale here on Urantia? I believe (from study of The URANTIA Book and paying attention to public affairs from multiple sources) that Urantia, one of the 37 rebellious planets,

    (SEE: "The sum of evil had by that time become almost stationary,
    continuing to increase only on certain isolated worlds
    , while the beneficial repercussions continued to multiply and extend out through the universe and superuniverse, even to Havona."
    )

    ..is one of a relatively small group.. where rebellion's outworking can be thoroughly addressed for the benefit of the ENTIRE universe, probably significant in the eventual adjudication of the Lucifer rebellion, itself. I think we can carry on knowing ours are extraordinary universe circumstances.

    "..Gabriel conducted an unceasing exposure of the rebel sophistries from his headquarters taken up near at hand."

    Also, I believe we too have the honor of personally addressing sophistries of evil as Father-Indwelt creatures, having the advantage of the Spirit of Truth present since Jesus our Universe Creator became our Sovereign Master Creator, as well as He now being our brother!

    "The very conflicting presence of truth and untruth, fact and falsehood, constitutes the potentiality of error. The deliberate choice of evil constitutes sin; the willful rejection of truth is error; the persistent pursuit of sin and error is iniquity."

    As we grapple with multitudes of personal moral and civic ethical choices, I think we can apply certain "tests" to the validity of arguments for and against stands on many ethical issues. One such "test" may be: Is this solution self-serving or altruistic in nature of consequence?"

    "Lucifer's folly was the attempt to do the nondoable, to short-circuit time in an experiential universe."

    So, another "test" could be: Is this solution an attempt to "jump" time, abbreviate necessary process, or otherwise impose a solution when the solution should grow from decisions made by people mainly involved to insure it's ultimate effectiveness?"

    "Of all the perplexing problems growing out of the Lucifer rebellion, none has occasioned more difficulty than the failure of immature evolutionary mortals to distinguish between true and false liberty.
    "

    How well do we in our societies differentiate between true and false liberty?

    "
    Enduring liberty is predicated on the reality of justice--intelligence, maturity, fraternity, and equity."

    How well do we filter our decisions based on our comprehension of "liberty" and the more popular version, "freedom"?

    "Liberty is a self-destroying technique of cosmic existence when its motivation is unintelligent, unconditioned, and uncontrolled.
    True liberty is progressively related to reality and is ever regardful of social equity, cosmic fairness, universe fraternity, and divine obligations
    ."

    Can we as individuals, then collectively as societies reach a broader, more common understanding of those concepts of LIBERTY and FREEDOM to include these principles?

    "Liberty is suicidal when divorced from material justice, intellectual fairness, social forbearance, moral duty, and spiritual values. Liberty is nonexistent apart from cosmic reality, and all personality reality is proportional to its divinity relationships."

    How does SELF-CONTROL enter into our consideration of our own actions and then our collective actions as a society?

    "Unbridled self-will and unregulated self-expression equal unmitigated selfishness, the acme of ungodliness. Liberty without the associated and ever-increasing conquest of self is a figment of egoistic mortal imagination. Self-motivated liberty is a conceptual illusion, a cruel deception. License masquerading in the garments of liberty is the forerunner of abject bondage.
    -
    Page 614
    - True liberty is the associate of genuine self-respect; false liberty is the consort of self-admiration. True liberty is the fruit of self-control; false liberty, the assumption of self-assertion. Self-control leads to altruistic service; self-admiration tends towards the exploitation of others for the selfish aggrandizement of such a mistaken individual as is willing to sacrifice righteous attainment for the sake of possessing unjust power over his fellow beings."

     

     

    Our planet is primitive in that we suffer many wars fueled by economic systems that are conducive to selling weapons. Weapon production has little practical or ethical scrutiny from the personal level all the way up to the grand society level. The "race" is on our streets and slaughtering millions of innocent VICTIMS of lax ethical standards regarding manufacturing, production and sales of weapons.DOES YOUR JOB DEPEND ON IT?

    "No being, in the exercise of his supposed personal liberty, has a right to deprive any other being of those privileges of existence conferred by the Creators and duly respected by all their loyal associates, subordinates, and subjects.
    "Evolutionary man may have to contend for his material liberties with tyrants and oppressors on a world of sin and iniquity or during the early times of a primitive evolving sphere, but not so on the morontia worlds or on the spirit spheres.
    War is the heritage of early evolutionary man, but on worlds of normal advancing civilization physical combat as a technique of adjusting racial misunderstandings has long since fallen into disrepute
    ."

     

    There are many UB references examining true and false liberty, the nature of rebellion, and specific details about the Lucifer rebellion that can give us perspective on our own means and methods of living better decisions

    "There must have been
    a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception
    , so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe.
    By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop
    . At some point in this experience
    he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin
    . That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy."

    ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

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