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Hey Team,

 

Got this report from Bonita about her debate with Michael H, you did too?

 

 

Report:

 

I think this man is attacking me personally. Nothing is being blown out of proportion, except in his eyes.

 

I agree the dietary discussion should be stay focused on TUB, which I have done. Throwing accusations that I have a personal agenda to misrepresent him is disingenuous and inaccurate. My goal is to avoid misrepresentation of TUB.

 

Please as this man to refrain from personally attacking my posts.

 

 

I wrote him this:

 

Hi Michael,

 

Appreciate what you're trying to do, but the discussion between you and Bonita is getting a bit personal, and heated, eh. And I got a moderator's report. It may be too hot a topic, or maybe it just needs a new thread.

 

Thanks for any ideas of yours on how to have a civil discussion on this. I think nutrition and health are valid topics for Forum readers, but I've never seen one that didn't turn sour, here or elsewhere on reader sites.

 

Let me know, Rick

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Hey Team,

 

Got this report from Bonita about her debate with Michael H, you did too?

 

I wrote him this:

 

Hi Michael,

 

Appreciate what you're trying to do, but the discussion between you and Bonita is getting a bit personal, and heated, eh. And I got a moderator's report. It may be too hot a topic, or maybe it just needs a new thread.

 

Thanks for any ideas of yours on how to have a civil discussion on this. I think nutrition and health are valid topics for Forum readers, but I've never seen one that didn't turn sour, here or elsewhere on reader sites.

 

Let me know, Rick

 

Rick,

 

I got it. Yours is a good post to Michael. But I see an edge to Bonita when she said to Michael yesterday at 07:59 AM "Listen Michael, you made this issue part of your presentation and asked for comment," though at the first of this post she apologizes to Michael! So I think she is having a reaction to Michael. I think Bonita is not without fault and Michael is learning how we are here on the forum. Bonita is easily provoked. That's my opinion.

 

In Michael's comments today he said, "Bonita, you jump to conclusions. I would love to explain what I mean by the “moral issue” in a private message, but since you don’t welcome it, I suggest we start a new thread, something like “Dietary issues in TUB”. In the meantime let us refrain from attacking viewpoints unless we know their content in detail, if we really aim at a “hearty” discussion." I gather from this that he might have tried to PM her. The last time I tried to PM her, I was rejected by the system. I think only Nigel can talk to her privately. So there you have it.

 

Meredith

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She and I have pm conversations, when needed, Meredith,

 

But I concur with you all round, it takes 2 to tangle. I was thinking about what to do next when Michael replied:

 

Rick, I agree totally.

A new thread would help a lot. Maybe, you could start it? If not, let me know, and I will start it myself. I will do my best not to deviate too far from the TUB. :(

 

Michael

 

I left the decision with him.

 

Thx

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Through my experience, little but substantial, I have been observing when somebody talk about "food" takes place some frictions almost irremediably between the differents positions and view points.

 

As we know, we can read in The Urantia Book about what Adan and Eve eating or their children and which were their practices. We can read about how share Jesus a special dinner with his friends. But especially The Urantia Book encourage us to search that spiritual nourishment.

 

The soul of man requires spiritual exercise as well as spiritual nourishment. Page 1000

 

Personaly I think the topic of material food and what is good for our organism and what is not is so personal. And everybody has the opoportunity to search and found what is the best for him. No everybody has the same organism, somebody as we know need more carbohydrates than others, even when somebody goes to a dietician or a specialist to nourishment require a personal diet. And always is personal, is almost unique, because they quit or add some differents nutritional foods and considerate what is the best for him or when a person try to search as far as possible a healthy life.

 

But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul. Page 1204

 

It is also to admire when somedody worries about what kind of food is good or not and when implement that in his educational plan. And when somebody can observe the great variety of food it could be like a educational thing because through our experience everybody can have the opportunity to know, to discriminate and to taste what is good for our organism and what kind of things is harmful to us. A little example, Michael talked about soft drinks and colas and we know a lot people likes that things. And is not our objective to quit or not that things even because anyone talk about his personal "Proper nourishment" even if it is good for him or even because is medically comprobated that in large quantities it could be damaging, as group step by step is possible to lost the objective. Personaly I think everybody can choose. And we know there are specialist, and even departments of governments who have the resposability to approvate or not these food in present-day. Even this education way star at home... And even as individual religionist we can work with the dfferent movements and build a better world for everybody and the best and wise way to quit what is dangerous even over the long term and what is not. As much in health as in differents aspects of our daily life.

 

And that is great to work with these differents movements to build a better world... But always as individual person.

 

My dear friends, we should always remember that wise advice:

 

Religionists, as a group, must never concern themselves with anything but religion, albeit any one such religionist, as an individual citizen, may become the outstanding leader of some social, economic, or political reconstruction movement. Page 1089

 

Good day!,

Jose Alberto Wonsover

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Through my experience, little but substantial, I have been observing when somebody talk about "food" takes place some frictions almost irremediably between the differents positions and view points.

 

As we know, we can read in The Urantia Book about what Adan and Eve eating or their children and which were their practices. We can read about how share Jesus a special dinner with his friends. But especially The Urantia Book encourage us to search that spiritual nourishment.

 

The soul of man requires spiritual exercise as well as spiritual nourishment. Page 1000

 

Personaly I think the topic of material food and what is good for our organism and what is not is so personal. And everybody has the opoportunity to search and found what is the best for him. No everybody has the same organism, somebody as we know need more carbohydrates than others, even when somebody goes to a dietician or a specialist to nourishment require a personal diet. And always is personal, is almost unique, because they quit or add some differents nutritional foods and considerate what is the best for him or when a person try to search as far as possible a healthy life.

 

But how unkind knowingly to defile or otherwise deliberately to pollute the physical body, which must serve as the earthly tabernacle of this marvelous gift from God. All physical poisons greatly retard the efforts of the Adjuster to exalt the material mind, while the mental poisons of fear, anger, envy, jealousy, suspicion, and intolerance likewise tremendously interfere with the spiritual progress of the evolving soul. Page 1204

 

It is also to admire when somedody worries about what kind of food is good or not and when implement that in his educational plan. And when somebody can observe the great variety of food it could be like a educational thing because through our experience everybody can have the opportunity to know, to discriminate and to taste what is good for our organism and what kind of things is harmful to us. A little example, Michael talked about soft drinks and colas and we know a lot people likes that things. And is not our objective to quit or not that things even because anyone talk about his personal "Proper nourishment" even if it is good for him or even because is medically comprobated that in large quantities it could be damaging, as group step by step is possible to lost the objective. Personaly I think everybody can choose. And we know there are specialist, and even departments of governments who have the resposability to approvate or not these food in present-day. Even this education way star at home... And even as individual religionist we can work with the dfferent movements and build a better world for everybody and the best and wise way to quit what is dangerous even over the long term and what is not. As much in health as in differents aspects of our daily life.

 

And that is great to work with these differents movements to build a better world... But always as individual person.

 

My dear friends, we should always remember that wise advice:

 

Religionists, as a group, must never concern themselves with anything but religion, albeit any one such religionist, as an individual citizen, may become the outstanding leader of some social, economic, or political reconstruction movement. Page 1089

 

Good day!,

Jose Alberto Wonsover

 

 

Good one Jose,

 

If Michael starts a thread, maybe you will repost your opinion there?

 

CU :( Rick

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Good one Jose,

 

If Michael starts a thread, maybe you will repost your opinion there?

 

CU :( Rick

 

Hello Jose, Rick,

 

Good post Jose! As I was reading it, I was thinking that you should post your opinions publically, as Rick suggests.

 

All the best,

Meredith

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Jose, Yes , this should be available for all to read. Why don't you start the post on "the care and feeding of the soul" or some such title.

 

 

Merdeith, I noticed Bonita's quickness to anger and wondered about it.

 

 

Rick, thank's for "keeping the lid" on the teapot.

 

 

Love,

 

 

Bill

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Hello friends...

 

Thank you Rick, Meredith and Bill.

 

Yes dear moderators friends, it could be very interesting topic and very important when we try to focus on individual aspect. Personaly I think is normal to talk about food, about health because is a very important factor in human being. Even is completely normal that one day soon or later expect to someone would like to talk about it as a part of a education program, in this case as Michael did it, or as a part of human health that I preffer.

 

Also I think is important be carefully with this important topic because is a susceptible topic. As topic is a very delight topic for study, it’s great but is in the way to show this topic when we found the differents point of view and always we need to respect that.

 

But I think is a great idea Bill and a great and striking tittle "the care and feeding of the soul" very nice title, because it can allow us to go in a very important direction, as individual choice and everybody can take advantage or found themself the differents ways to have an individual healthy life. Or at least as possible as everybody can.

 

Health, sanity, and happiness are integrations of truth, beauty, and goodness as they are blended in human experience. Such levels of efficient living come about through the unification of energy systems, idea systems, and spirit systems.”43:4

 

I will try to think about the best way to present it. Maybe tomorrow, if there were no inconvenience. I am wondering in what place and I think in "Questions about the Urantia Papers" could be a very appropiate place. Isn't?.

 

The other point, about Bonita’s reaction I think is one of that differents points of view, maybe is not the best way to show her nonconformity with Michael's post but it can happend as a reaction. And in that reactions is necesary to be tactful and be carefully to letting go of anger. And I can observe that happen because when we talk about food I observe that many people take that as something personal. In fact I thought is a personal choice what kind of food you like it or like to give to your children and we need to understand it and the present day there are a lot possible ways to search and found what kind of food are good and what is not. And that is why I said is a susceptible topic, is important... very important topic, but is susceptible and sometimes we can see some conflicts but deppends of the way to show it... the direction and to be torerant with the differents point of view.

 

I hope to help and to be able to study together. And I hope If you see something that you considerante no appropiate please tell me. I am a student more :( .

 

Nice day!

Jose Alberto

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