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7. The potential personality of an evolutionary moral being or of any other moral being is centered in the personality of the Universal Father.

 

What do you suppose they mean by "potential personality"?

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What do you suppose they mean by "potential personality"?

The Revalators always give us the benefit of the doubt and expect that we, like them, look at the minute details of everything. Following this line of thought, personalities must come from somewhere, so they pose (to put it bluntly) a big stock of whatever constitutes personality as "potential personality." That's how my mind rationalizes the statement.

 

But, what I find highly interesting about that particular quote is the use of the word "moral," (which I think I have read as "mortal" more than once). I looked up moral, to verify it's meaning, which pertains to "right and wrong.' The statement can be seen as a subtle confirmation of the fact of freewill choice ON ALL LEVELS or to ALL BEINGS endowed from that big stock of personality stuff.

 

This realization, to me, is awesome! Christ Michael, the Perfectors of Wisdom, the Mighty Messengers and all of us, have something basic and wonderful in common: free will! (And if anyone is interested, I'll share a very strange impression I had about loyalty, which impacts this concept.) Patti

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From the standpoint of intelligence, man ascends to the level of a moral being because he is endowed with personality

Paper 16, Sec. 7 Morals, Virtue, and Personality

 

7. The potential personality of an evolutionary moral being or of any other moral being is centered in the personality of the Universal Father

 

So the potential personality is in reserve in the personality of the Universal Father before and until gifted, which stimulates the 1st moral choice in a human on this planet and the arrival of the Thought Aduster ?

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Meredith:

7. The potential personality of an evolutionary moral being or of any other moral being is centered in the personality of the Universal Father. p5

 

 

What do you suppose they mean by "potential personality"?

 

 

Thanks for the question and answers Meredith, Patti, Les,

 

My interpretation is that you aren't considered a genuine personality until you've made the full, final and eternal choice of seeking unity and harmony with the Original Personality, also the source and destiny of all personality.

 

A strange impression about loyalty, free will and potential personality Patti?? Do tell, then on to page 6.

 

Lotsa love, Rick

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My interpretation is that you aren't considered a genuine personality until you've made the full, final and eternal choice of seeking unity and harmony with the Original Personality, also the source and destiny of all personality.

 

I'm having some trouble with this statement. Humans are not potential personalities. A fertilized human ovum is a potential personality. Humans are potential spirit personalities.

 

1.6.8 God is spirit — spirit personality; man is also a spirit — potential spirit personality. Jesus of Nazareth attained the full realization of this potential of spirit personality in human experience; therefore his life of achieving the Father’s will becomes man’s most real and ideal revelation of the personality of God. Even though the personality of the Universal Father can be grasped only in actual religious experience, in Jesus’ earth life we are inspired by the perfect demonstration of such a realization and revelation of the personality of God in a truly human experience.

 

All personality, regardless of the level at which it is functioning, is genuine and real. Jesus respected all personalities regardless of whether or not they had made the eternal choice. He is the Good Shepherd and seeks out all lost personalities and the mansion worlds are designed to teach sincerity and aid personalities in recognizing higher choices of destiny. All personality is genuine because it is from God. Character is what can be lacking in genuineness, not personality

 

5.6.3 Personality is potential in all creatures who possess a mind endowment ranging from the minimum of self-consciousness to the maximum of God-consciousness. But mind endowment alone is not personality, neither is spirit nor physical energy. Personality is that quality and value in cosmic reality which is exclusively bestowed by God the Father upon these living systems of the associated and co-ordinated energies of matter, mind, and spirit. Neither is personality a progressive achievement. Personality may be material or spiritual, but there either is personality or there is no personality. The other-than-personal never attains the level of the personal except by the direct act of the Paradise Father
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So, I disagree. A being is considered a genuine, bona fide personality the nanosecond God chooses to bestow one. Potentials occur the moment personality appears because it brings volition with it, and the potentials never cease. In fact, personality is so very real that when an individual chooses not to survive, his personality continues on in the Supreme without him; only identity is lost. No, personality is always genuine.

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Much appreciate the way you disagree without disagreeability Bonita,

 

The next page sheds more light, this time on the very beginnings of Paradise personality. Maybe our minds can be stretched farther yet. Page 6 coming up.

 

Haven't forgotten you Patti, Rick

 

 

PS. If interested, take this link to a somewhat exhaustive extract of Personality in the revelation (it's about 15 pages posted on another Forum thread). French reader Jean Royer assembled and categorized it about ten years ago, and he inserted some interesting conclusions.

 

Personality in the Revelation Scroll down to posts #33-35

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Welcome to UAI Forum's One-Page-A-Day Online Study Group.

 

~ Today's presentation is from:

 

 

The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 6.

 

REALITY, as comprehended by finite beings, is partial, relative, and shadowy. The maximum Deity reality fully comprehensible by evolutionary finite creatures is embraced within the Supreme Being. Nevertheless there are antecedent and eternal realities, superfinite realities, which are ancestral to this Supreme Deity of evolutionary time-space creatures. In attempting to portray the origin and nature of universal reality, we are forced to employ the technique of time-space reasoning in order to reach the level of the finite mind. Therefore must many of the simultaneous events of eternity be presented as sequential transactions.

 

P.6 - §1 As a time-space creature would view the origin and differentiation of Reality, the eternal and infinite I AM achieved Deity liberation from the fetters of unqualified infinity through the exercise of inherent and eternal free will, and this divorcement from unqualified infinity produced the first absolute divinity-tension. This tension of infinity differential is resolved by the Universal Absolute, which functions to unify and co-ordinate the dynamic infinity of Total Deity and the static infinity of the Unqualified Absolute.

 

P.6 - §2 In this original transaction the theoretical I AM achieved the realization of personality by becoming the Eternal Father of the Original Son simultaneously with becoming the Eternal Source of the Isle of Paradise. Coexistent with the differentiation of the Son from the Father, and in the presence of Paradise, there appeared the person of the Infinite Spirit and the central universe of Havona. With the appearance of coexistent personal Deity, the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit, the Father escaped, as a personality, from otherwise inevitable diffusion throughout the potential of Total Deity. Thenceforth it is only in Trinity association with his two Deity equals that the Father fills all Deity potential, while increasingly experiential Deity is being actualized on the divinity levels of Supremacy, Ultimacy, and Absoluteness.

 

P.6 - §3 The concept of the I AM is a philosophic concession which we make to the time-bound, space-fettered, finite mind of man, to the impossibility of creature comprehension of eternity existences--nonbeginning, nonending realities and relationships. To the time-space creature, all things must have a beginning save only the ONE UNCAUSED--the primeval cause of causes. Therefore do we conceptualize this philosophic value-level as the I AM, at the same time instructing all creatures that the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit are coeternal with the I AM; in other words, that there never was a time when the I AM was not the Father of the Son and, with him, of the Spirit.

 

P.6 - §4 The Infinite is used to denote the fullness--the finality--implied by the primacy of the First Source and Center. The theoretical I AM is a creature-philosophic extension of the "infinity of will," but the Infinite is an actual value-level representing the eternity-intension of the true infinity of the absolute and unfettered free will of the Universal Father. This concept is sometimes designated the Father-Infinite.

 

P.6 - §5 Much of the confusion of all orders of beings, high and low, in their efforts to discover the Father-Infinite, is inherent in their limitations of comprehension. The absolute primacy of the Universal Father is not apparent on subinfinite levels; therefore is it probable that only the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit truly know the Father as an infinity; to all other personalities such a concept represents the exercise of faith.

 

 

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[Each page presented is copied from the original version of The Urantia Book published by Urantia Foundation. If the last sentence continues on the next page, the entire sentence or concept will be included for continuity of study. Questions are welcome, as are comments related to that day's text. In-depth questions and related topics may be studied in branch threads in the OPAD or other subforum as you require. Thank you for studying with us!]

 

 

 

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Reviewing your post Bonita, it seems existential and experiential can not coexist on our level of finite reality, so to us, they cancel each other. At first, one could almost see the term existential-experiential as an oxymoron, however, like other paradoxes in our existance, it feels as if it is of another reality. A major clue is included in the quote you posted: the part about existential-experiential being the closest we come to the absonite, another major paradox, from our view. As a simplistic rule of thumb, I pose existential as outside of a particular pattern of thought or being; while experiential is inside the thick of it. Together they become obviously paradoxical: outside-inside, but if you let them coexist, they can be contemplated as a whole. Hugs. Patti

 

 

 

Intellectually, I agree that existential and experiential seem to cancel each other out, but TUB uses the term 5 different times, so I presume it has a meaning even though I don't know what it is. In the first quote below it appears to mean relative; the second, potential; the third subabsolute and superevolutionary; the fourth, finality of destiny; and the fifth, absolute. I'm not sure how something can be subabsolute and absolute, potential and final, all at the same time; but there you have it! Apparently there a phase that is less than existential but more than experiential; but less and more of what I don't know.

 

 

 

Another thing, I've often wondered about this phrase:

 

 

 

It seems that our evolutionary religions have grown up on the impersonal aspects of divinity. So much of the "fear of God" has dealt with his mighty power, his divine justice and his terrifying rule over man. Jesus came to reveal God's personality of love, mercy and ministry. Is TUB now teaching us how to comprehend divinity as truth, beauty and goodness? The word "comprehend" implies deep thinking resulting in understanding. Perhaps that is why TUB is so weighty and difficult, in order to promote reflective thought, a form of mental exercise to help us reach for that superconscious level of divinity we desire.

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Thanks for the question and answers Meredith, Patti, Les,

 

My interpretation is that you aren't considered a genuine personality until you've made the full, final and eternal choice of seeking unity and harmony with the Original Personality, also the source and destiny of all personality.

 

A strange impression about loyalty, free will and potential personality Patti?? Do tell, then on to page 6.

 

Lotsa love, Rick

 

During my personal daily reading (I recently started from the beginning again!), on Page 123, Paragraph 3: "All physical force, enery and matter are one. All force-energy originally proeeded from nether Paradise and will eventually return therto following the completion of its space circuit." Upon reading this, tears sprang spontainiously from my eyes (!) because I realized that no matter how loyal we (Beings) are, we are never as loyal as the energy that circuits and returns to the Father. I suppose that is the price we pay for individualization. For a brief second, I was one with that pristine energy and then back to my reality. Strange feelings, but, I think, expanding in some undefined way and of value in relation to loyalty, but I'm not certain how.

 

That's it. Hugs. Pattis

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That's beautiful Pattis,

 

And it brought a tear to Nigel's spiritual-scientist's eyes, so some value must be present.

 

But I thank Havona for space/time personality that ascends to perfect loyalty! Energy is admirable and consistent but unhuggable :)

 

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Page 6, at the bottom, gives a cosmic concept that I sometimes think I have a grasp of, and sometimes not. Would anyone care to discourse a bit on the "Father-Infinite" concept? Is it not the equivalent of the I AM in eternity?

 

Makitagudun, Rick

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Forum Friends,

 

These are four other quotes containing the hyphenated words "Father-Infinite" Bolding is mine.

 

P.116 - §9 It may be possible that the finaliters will partially attain the Deity Absolute, but even if they should, still in the eternity of eternities the problem of the Universal Absolute will continue to intrigue, mystify, baffle, and challenge the ascending and progressing finaliters, for we perceive that the unfathomability of the cosmic relationships of the Universal Absolute will tend to grow in proportions as the material universes and their spiritual administration continue to expand.

P.117 - §1 Only infinity can disclose the Father-Infinite.

 

P.1171 - §5 The association of these three Trinities in the Trinity of Trinities provides for a possible unlimited integration of reality. This grouping contains causes, intermediates, and finals; inceptors, realizers, and consummators; beginnings, existences, and destinies. The Father-Son partnership has become Son-Spirit and then Spirit-Supreme and on to Supreme-Ultimate and Ultimate-Absolute, even to Absolute and Father-Infinite--the completion of the cycle of reality. Likewise, in other phases not so immediately concerned with divinity and personality, does the First Great Source and Center self-realize the limitlessness of reality around the circle of eternity, from the absoluteness of self-existence, through the endlessness of self-revelation, to the finality of self-realization--from the absolute of existentials to the finality of experientials.

 

P.1173 - §0 Absolutes of Infinity. Though the universe philosophers deem this to be a most remote probability, still, we often ask this question: If the second level of the Trinity of Trinities could ever achieve trinity unity, what then would transpire as a consequence of such deity unity? We do not know, but we are confident that it would lead directly to the realization of the I AM as an experiential attainable. From the standpoint of personal beings it could mean that the unknowable I AM had become experiencible as the Father-Infinite. What these absolute destinies might mean from a nonpersonal standpoint is another matter and one which only eternity could possibly clarify. But as we view these remote eventualities as personal creatures, we deduce that the final destiny of all personalities is the final knowing of the Universal Father of these selfsame personalities.

 

P.1175 - §1 To material, evolutionary, finite creatures, a life predicated on the living of the Father's will leads directly to the attainment of spirit supremacy in the personality arena and brings such creatures one step nearer the comprehension of the Father-Infinite. Such a Father life is one predicated on truth, sensitive to beauty, and dominated by goodness...

 

It sounds as though the Father-Infinite is the I AM in absolute completion, no?

 

Rick

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Wouldn't the Father-Infinite be the result of the ultimate resolution of the absolute divinity tension caused by the volitional differential between static and dynamic infinity? The question is, what does the ultimate resolution become in relation to the whole? No one seems to know, but I'm sure it is filled with new potentials and new tensions; the Father-Infinite is a relation.

 

One of the biggest problems we have as finite creatures is the tendency toward linear and sequential thinking. The exercise of elliptical thinking is an essential part of stretching the mind. There is no finality in infinity; in infinity, the word "completion" becomes an oxymoron.

 

103.6.14 Philosophy dare not project its interpretations of reality in the linear fashion of logic; it must never fail to reckon with the elliptic symmetry of reality and with the essential curvature of all relation concepts.

130.7.5 Animals do not sense time as does man, and even to man, because of his sectional and circumscribed view, time appears as a succession of events; but as man ascends, as he progresses inward, the enlarging view of this event procession is such that it is discerned more and more in its wholeness. That which formerly appeared as a succession of events then will be viewed as a whole and perfectly related cycle; in this way will circular simultaneity increasingly displace the onetime consciousness of the linear sequence of events.

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Wouldn't the Father-Infinite be the result of the ultimate resolution of the absolute divinity tension caused by the volitional differential between static and dynamic infinity? The question is, what does the ultimate resolution become in relation to the whole? No one seems to know, but I'm sure it is filled with new potentials and new tensions; the Father-Infinite is a relation.

 

One of the biggest problems we have as finite creatures is the tendency toward linear and sequential thinking. The exercise of elliptical thinking is an essential part of stretching the mind. There is no finality in infinity; in infinity, the word "completion" becomes an oxymoron.

 

 

Just because you are completed doesn't mean you're finished...

 

 

P.1163 - §12 Reality growth is conditioned by the circumstances of the successive universe ages. The central universe underwent no evolutionary change in the Havona age, but in the present epochs of the superuniverse age it is undergoing certain progressive changes induced by co-ordination with the evolutionary superuniverses. The seven superuniverses, now evolving, will sometime attain the settled status of light and life, will attain the growth limit for the present universe age. But beyond doubt, the next age, the age of the first outer space level, will release the superuniverses from the destiny limitations of the present age. Repletion is continually being superimposed upon completion

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Just because you are completed doesn't mean you're finished...

 

P.1163 - §12 Reality growth is conditioned by the circumstances of the successive universe ages. The central universe underwent no evolutionary change in the Havona age, but in the present epochs of the superuniverse age it is undergoing certain progressive changes induced by co-ordination with the evolutionary superuniverses. The seven superuniverses, now evolving, will sometime attain the settled status of light and life, will attain the growth limit for the present universe age. But beyond doubt, the next age, the age of the first outer space level, will release the superuniverses from the destiny limitations of the present age. Repletion is continually being superimposed upon completion

 

What do you suppose they mean by superimposed "repletion"?

 

 

Repletion

 

1. The state of being replete; superabundant fullness. The tree had too much repletion, and was oppressed with its own sap. (bacon) Replecioun [overeating] ne made her never sick. (Chaucer)

 

2. (Science: medicine) Fullness of blood; plethora.

3. the state of being satisfactorily full and unable to take on more

4. the condition of being filled to capacity

5. eating until excessively full

6. the act of consuming food

7. overglut, more than a glut which is defined as: Plenty, to satiety or repletion; a full supply; hence, often, a supply beyond sufficiency or to loathing; over abundance

Origin: L. Repletio a filling up

Synonyms: engorgement, feeding, filling, glut, gratification, indulgence, overfilling, satiety, saturation, slaking, surfeit

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Here we are in the dawn of eternity, newly emerged ourselves from preexistent potentials, speculating and striving, reaching and grasping, trying to wrap our circumscribed thinking around infinite (or ultimate bordering on absolute) realities.

And that is good. We will know this stuff by the end of our sojurn in time.

 

 

 

 

As we read on page three about Divinity:

P.3 - §5 Divinity may be perfect--complete--as on existential and creator levels of Paradise perfection; it may be imperfect, as on experiential and creature levels of time-space evolution; or it may be relative, neither perfect nor imperfect, as on certain Havona levels of existential-experiential relationships.

 

P.3 - §6 When we attempt to conceive of perfection in all phases and forms of relativity, we encounter seven conceivable types:

P.3 - §7 1. Absolute perfection in all aspects.

P.3 - §8 2. Absolute perfection in some phases and relative perfection in all other aspects.

P.3 - §9 3. Absolute, relative, and imperfect aspects in varied association.

P.3 - §10 4. Absolute perfection in some respects, imperfection in all others.

P.3 - §11 5. Absolute perfection in no direction, relative perfection in all manifestations.

P.3 - §12 6. Absolute perfection in no phase, relative in some, imperfect in others.

P.3 - §13 7. Absolute perfection in no attribute, imperfection in all. (ME)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

P.1149 - §15 1. The Universal Father.

P.1149 - §16 2. The Universal Absolute. (THE FIFTH TRIUNITY)

P.1149 - §17 3. The Unqualified Absolute.

 

P.1149 - §18 This grouping yields the eternalization of the functional infinity realization of all that is actualizable within the domains of nondeity reality. This triunity

P.1150 - §0 manifests unlimited reactive capacity to the volitional, causative, tensional, and patternal actions and presences of the other triunities.

 

 

 

THIS IS WHAT I FOUND IN THE BOOK UNDER (SUPERIMPOSING)

 

P.554 - §2 Mota is more than a superior philosophy; it is to philosophy as two eyes are to one; it has a stereoscopic effect on meanings and values. Material man sees the universe, as it were, with but one eye--flat. Mansion world students achieve cosmic perspective--depth--by superimposing the perceptions of the morontia life upon the perceptions of the physical life. And they are enabled to bring these material and morontial viewpoints into true focus largely through the untiring ministry of their seraphic counselors, who so patiently teach the mansion world students and the morontia progressors. Many of the teaching counselors of the supreme order of seraphim began their careers as advisers of the newly liberated souls of the mortals of time.

 

(The perception of reality differs. Sight and sound are artifacts of our brain which processes these neural signals. How much differently we all perceive identical stimuli. How differently must a morontia ascender process these same inputs with a score or more additional senses. What was a flat screen becomes a hologram, what loveliness is a rose in bloom, more lovely as a moire pattern of living flowing energies and lights? Still a rose, and lovelier! Does the enhanced perception of the rose change its nature. Does it make the rose more real

?)

P.643 - §5 Ascendant finaliters, having been born in the local universes, nurtured in the superuniverses, and trained in the central universe, embrace in their personal experiences the full potential of the comprehension of the time-space divinity of God the Sevenfold unifying in the Supreme. Finaliters serve successively in superuniverses other than those of nativity, thereby superimposing experience upon experience until the fullness of the sevenfold diversity of possible creature experience has been encompassed. Through the ministry of the indwelling Adjusters the finaliters are enabled to find the Universal Father, but it is by these techniques of experience that such finaliters come really to know the Supreme Being, and they are destined to the service and the revelation of this Supreme Deity in and to the future universes of outer space.

 

 

 

 

 

And Finally...

 

 

P.1294 - §13 Each successive universe age is the antechamber of the following era of cosmic growth, and each universe epoch provides immediate destiny for all preceding stages. Havona, in and of itself, is a perfect, but perfection-limited, creation; Havona perfection, expanding out into the evolutionary superuniverses, finds not only cosmic destiny but also liberation from the limitations of pre-evolutionary existence

 

 

 

 

P.S. I think the development of capacity signalizes advent of superimposition of higher levels of repletion.

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Rick - Hello ! I am new to the Study Group and am so very pleased that you have made this avenue of learning avaiable - I have spent several months looking for a Study Group in my area, with no success. This on-line learning option is just what I am looking for, so I am very pleased to be starting this study with you and the other students. So, to begin... I have a question on P. 2 of the foreword: within the section on Diety, what does prepersonal and superpersonal levels mean? Thanks! Cat

 

 

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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 2.

 

 

I. DEITY AND DIVINITY

 

P.2 - §1 The universe of universes presents phenomena of deity activities on diverse levels of cosmic realities, mind meanings, and spirit values, but all of these ministrations--personal or otherwise--are divinely co-ordinated.

 

P.2 - §2 DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity--actual or potential--on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.

 

P.2 - §3 Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

 

1. Static--self-contained and self-existent Deity.

 

2. Potential--self-willed and self-purposive Deity.

 

3. Associative--self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.

 

4. Creative--self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.

 

5. Evolutional--self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.

 

6. Supreme--self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.

 

7. Ultimate--self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.

 

P.2 - §11 The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings--they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.

 

P.2 - §12 The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absoniters are not created; they are eventuated--they simply are. The Deity level of Ultimacy connotes a function in relation to absonite realities. No matter in what part of the master universe, whenever time and space are transcended, such an absonite phenomenon is an act of the Ultimacy of Deity.

 

P.2 - §13 The absolute level is beginningless, endless, timeless, and spaceless. For example: On Paradise, time and space are nonexistent; the time-space status of Paradise is absolute. This level is Trinity attained, existentially, by the Paradise Deities, but this third level of unifying Deity expression is not fully unified experientially. Whenever, wherever, and however the absolute level of Deity functions, Paradise-absolute values and meanings are manifest.

 

P.3 - §1 Deity may be existential, as in the Eternal Son; experiential, as in the Supreme Being; associative, as in God the Sevenfold; undivided, as in the Paradise Trinity.

 

P.3 - §2 Deity is the source of all that which is divine. Deity is characteristically and invariably divine, but all that which is divine is not necessarily Deity, though it will be co-ordinated with Deity and will tend towards some phase of unity with Deity--spiritual, mindal, or personal.

 

 

 

 

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[Each page presented is copied from the original version of The Urantia Book published by Urantia Foundation. If the last sentence continues on the next page, the entire sentence or concept will be included for continuity of study. Questions are welcome, as are comments related to that day's text. In-depth questions and related topics may be studied in branch threads in the OPAD or other subforum as you require. Thank you for studying with us!]

 

 

 

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Rick - Hello ! I am new to the Study Group and am so very pleased that you have made this avenue of learning avaiable - I have spent several months looking for a Study Group in my area, with no success. This on-line learning option is just what I am looking for, so I am very pleased to be starting this study with you and the other students. So, to begin... I have a question on P. 2 of the foreword: within the section on Diety, what does prepersonal and superpersonal levels mean? Thanks! Cat

 

 

 

 

 

Welcome Cat,

 

Glad you found us! The beauty of an online group is it's always open and as close as your computer.

 

Your question is a good one. You probably realize both terms are new with the Urantia revelation, therefore must one go to the whole revelation to find the meanings. Below are all the quotes with these two words. The first quote states we may not be able to understand super- and prepersonal, but the others narrow down the concepts a bit by comparing types of beings and kinds of associations. For example, Adjusters are prepersonal, and Inspired Trinity Spirits are superpersonal. Adjusters are identical, are Inspired Trinity Spirits unique?

 

 

P.2 - §2 DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity--actual or potential--on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.

 

P.2 - §3 Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

 

1. Static--self-contained and self-existent Deity.

2. Potential--self-willed and self-purposive Deity.

3. Associative--self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.

4. Creative--self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.

5. Evolutional--self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.

6. Supreme--self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.

7. Ultimate--self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.

 

 

P.8 - §4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

 

P.78 - §5 Spirit is ever conscious, minded, and possessed of varied phases of identity. Without mind in some phase there would be no spiritual consciousness in the fraternity of spirit beings. The equivalent of mind, the ability to know and be known, is indigenous to Deity. Deity may be personal, prepersonal, superpersonal, or impersonal, but Deity is never mindless, that is, never without the ability at least to communicate with similar entities, beings, or personalities.

 

P.334 - §7 There are spirits: spirit entities, spirit presences, personal spirits, prepersonal spirits, superpersonal spirits, spirit existences, spirit personalities--but neither mortal language nor mortal intellect are adequate. We may however state that there are no personalities of "pure mind"; no entity has personality unless he is endowed with it by God who is spirit. Any mind entity that is not associated with either spiritual or physical energy is not a personality. But in the same sense that there are spirit personalities who have mind there are mind personalities who have spirit. Majeston and his associates are fairly good illustrations of mind-dominated beings, but there are better illustrations of this type of personality unknown to you. There are even whole unrevealed orders of such mind personalities, but they are always spirit associated. Certain other unrevealed creatures are what might be termed mindal- and physical-energy personalities. This type of being is nonresponsive to spirit gravity but is nonetheless a true personality--is within the Father's circuit.

 

P.1183 - §7 Throughout a universe of created beings and nonpersonal energies we do not observe will, volition, choice, and love manifested apart from personality. Except in the Adjusters and other similar entities we do not witness these attributes of personality functioning in association with impersonal realities. It would not be correct to designate an Adjuster as subpersonal, neither would it be proper to allude to such an entity as superpersonal, but it would be entirely permissible to term such a being prepersonal.

 

P.1189 - §5 We are aware of the presence of the Adjusters, who are fragments of the prepersonal Deity of the First Source and Center. We sense the presence of the Inspired Trinity Spirits, who are superpersonal expressions of the Paradise Trinity. We likewise unfailingly detect the spirit presence of certain unrevealed orders springing from the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit. And we are not wholly unresponsive to still other entities unrevealed to you.

 

P.1201 - §4 Personalized Adjusters are the all-wise and powerful executives of the Architects of the Master Universe. They are the personal agents of the full ministry of the Universal Father--personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal. They are the personal ministers of the extraordinary, the unusual, and the unexpected throughout all the realms of the transcendental absonite spheres of the domain of God the Ultimate, even to the levels of God the Absolute.

 

Appreciate the thoughful question. Hope this helps, Rick

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IV. UNIVERSE REALITY

Reality differentially actualizes on diverse universe levels; reality originates in and by the infinite volition of the Universal Father and is realizable in three primal phases on many different levels of universe actualization:

 

1. Undeified reality ranges from the energy domains of the nonpersonal to the reality realms of the nonpersonalizable values of universal existence, even to the presence of the Unqualified Absolute.

 

2. Deified reality embraces all of infinite Deity potentials ranging upward through all realms of personality from the lowest finite to the highest infinite, thus encompassing the domain of all that which is personalizable and more--even to the presence of the Deity Absolute.

 

3. Interassociated reality. Universe reality is supposedly either deified or undeified, but to subdeified beings there exists a vast domain of interassociated reality, potential and actualizing, which is difficult of identification. Much of this co-ordinate reality is embraced within the realms of the Universal Absolute.

 

P.7 - §3 This is the primal concept of original reality: The Father initiates and maintains Reality. The primal differentials of reality are the deified and the undeified--the Deity Absolute and the Unqualified Absolute. The primal relationship is the tension between them. This Father-initiated divinity-tension is perfectly resolved by, and eternalizes as, the Universal Absolute.

 

P.7 - §4 From the viewpoint of time and space, reality is further divisible as:

 

1. Actual and Potential. Realities existing in fullness of expression in contrast to those which carry undisclosed capacity for growth. The Eternal Son is an absolute spiritual actuality; mortal man is very largely an unrealized spiritual potentiality.

 

2. Absolute and Subabsolute. Absolute realities are eternity existences. Subabsolute realities are projected on two levels: Absonites--realities which are relative with respect to both time and eternity. Finites--realities which are projected in space and are actualized in time.

 

3. Existential and Experiential. Paradise Deity is existential, but the emerging Supreme and Ultimate are experiential.

 

4. Personal and Impersonal. Deity expansion, personality expression, and universe evolution are forever conditioned by the Father's freewill act which forever separated the mind-spirit-personal meanings and values of actuality and potentiality centering in the Eternal Son from those things which center and inhere in the eternal Isle of Paradise.

 

 

P.7 - §9 PARADISE is a term inclusive of the personal and the nonpersonal focal Absolutes of all phases of universe reality. Paradise, properly qualified, may connote any and all forms of reality, Deity, divinity, personality, and energy--spiritual, mindal, or material. All share Paradise as the place of origin, function, and destiny, as regards values, meanings, and factual existence.

 

P.7 - §10 The Isle of Paradise--Paradise not otherwise qualified--is the Absolute of the material-gravity control of the First Source and Center. Paradise is motionless, being the only stationary thing in the universe of universes. The Isle of Paradise has a universe location but no position in space. This eternal Isle is the actual source of the physical universes--past, present, and future. The nuclear Isle of Light is a Deity derivative, but it is hardly Deity; neither are the material creations a part of Deity; they are a consequence.

 

P.7 - §11 Paradise is not a creator; it is a unique controller of many universe activities, far more of a controller than a reactor. Throughout the material universes Paradise influences the reactions and conduct of all beings having to do with force, energy, and power, but Paradise itself is unique, exclusive, and isolated in the universes. Paradise represents nothing and nothing represents Paradise. It is neither a force nor a presence; it is just Paradise.

 

 

 

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How much of page 7 can you digest?

 

This page contains a time/space explanation of the foundations of reality itself. Never has humanity had access to such profound revelations as are presented here. Universe beginnings/endings were but hazy horizons before the Urantia Book. Now we can know how the universe philosophers attempt to sort and explain eternal reality, and now we can understand that Divinity relations are a result of divinity 'tension'.

 

But page 7 makes two more master points, including four ways to categorize time/space reality, and the Reality of Paradise. Paradise is the Universal Home, the necessary and absolute center of all things and beings.

 

And page 7 ends with two inscrutable sentences:

 

Paradise represents nothing and nothing represents Paradise. It is neither a force nor a presence; it is just Paradise.

 

Maybe we'll understand Paradise better by the time we arrive.

 

Inward! Rick

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V. PERSONALITY REALITIES

 

P.8 - §1 Personality is a level of deified reality and ranges from the mortal and midwayer level of the higher mind activation of worship and wisdom up through the morontial and spiritual to the attainment of finality of personality status. That is the evolutionary ascent of mortal-and kindred-creature personality, but there are numerous other orders of universe personalities.

 

P.8 - §2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

 

P.8 - §3 On attained experiential levels all personality orders or values are associable and even cocreational. Even God and man can coexist in a unified personality, as is so exquisitely demonstrated in the present status of Christ Michael--Son of Man and Son of God.

 

P.8 - §4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

 

P.8 - §5 The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

 

P.8 - §6 These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

 

1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

 

2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

 

3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man--the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal--not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

 

4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

 

P.9 - §1 Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

 

P.9 - §2 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.

 

 

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P.8 - §2 While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

 

P.8 - §5 But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

 

What do you suppose this means: ". . . the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited,. . . ."?

 

The quantity of stuff pouring out of and back into the Isle of Paradaise may be unlimited. But are they saying the kinds of this non-personal stuff are limited?

 

Meredith

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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 8.

 

V. PERSONALITY REALITIES

 

P.8 - §1 Personality is a level of deified reality and ranges from the mortal and midwayer level of the higher mind activation of worship and wisdom up through the morontial and spiritual to the attainment of finality of personality status. That is the evolutionary ascent of mortal-and kindred-creature personality, but there are numerous other orders of universe personalities.

 

P.8 - §2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

 

P.8 - §3 On attained experiential levels all personality orders or values are associable and even cocreational. Even God and man can coexist in a unified personality, as is so exquisitely demonstrated in the present status of Christ Michael--Son of Man and Son of God.

 

P.8 - §4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

 

P.8 - §5 The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

 

P.8 - §6 These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

 

1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

 

2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

 

3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man--the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal--not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

 

4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

 

P.9 - §1 Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

 

P.9 - §2 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.

 

 

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Greetings! Martin newly arrived on the scene. Have only just begun to study the UB in depth and was delighted to see that you've begun a daily study. I'm also listening to Audio portions of the book while simultaneously reading; the audio version I'm enjoying utilize different voices for the respective celestial personalities--the voice used for the foreword is reminiscent of Vic Perrin--the control voice for the Original Outer Limits--I could swear that its him! Anyone know who this could actually be?

 

Glad that I've been welcomed today, because was just wondering yesterday what the essential nature of "Morontia" is in reference to one's personality--and what does "woof" here indicate?

 

Glad to be apart of the group!

 

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Hi Martin,

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

Glad that I've been welcomed today, because was just wondering yesterday what the essential nature of "Morontia" is in reference to one's personality--and what does "woof" here indicate?

A friendly "woof" can be just what one needs to hear at the end of a long day :)

 

But here, as my grandma tells me, "woof" (or weft) is the fill that is supported by

the weaver's stronger and defining "warp". Picturing our humanity as a unique woof,

made sturdy and real by our Adjuster -- an absolute warp -- is a neat image!

 

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Hi Martin,

 

Welcome to the forum!

 

 

A friendly "woof" can be just what one needs to hear at the end of a long day :)

 

But here, as my grandma tells me, "woof" (or weft) is the fill that is supported by

the weaver's stronger and defining "warp". Picturing our humanity as a unique woof,

made sturdy and real by our Adjuster -- an absolute warp -- is a neat image!

 

Nigel

 

Thank-you, Nigel. Do I assume correctly, in reference to the Morontial personality, that my own personhood is somehow linked to this state...an in-between the physical and spiritual? Since my own "personality", bestowed by the Universal Father, transcends all forms of physical and even spiritual reality-- is the morontial soul still somehow linked to personhood as contrasted with personality?

 

Thank-you,

 

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Hi Martin,

 

Do I assume correctly, in reference to the Morontial personality, that my own personhood is somehow linked to this state... an in-between the physical and spiritual? Since my own "personality", bestowed by the Universal Father, transcends all forms of physical and even spiritual reality-- is the morontial soul still somehow linked to personhood as contrasted with personality?

As they say on page 9, "The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit;

neither is it the soul." [p.9:1]. For me the idea of soul now conjures up the concept of a more

robust vehicle for our personality and identity. At the end of page 1232, the author points out

that once this morontia vehicle is ready, we can shift our driving seat, and actually begin our

"morontia career" in the middle of a very normal human life (see below).

 

My favorite introduction to "morontia" is on page 189:

 

"Who, aside from these ancestors of both physical controllers and spirit ministers, could have contrived so to combine and associate material and spiritual energies as to produce a hitherto nonexistent phase of universe reality--morontia substance and morontia mind?" [uB p.189:6]

For me, this implies the Seven Master Spirits actually invented "morontia" as a technique

for enabling one of our necessary early transitions. Here is one of the three paragraphs

about shifting the location from which we drive:

 

"But mortal personality, through its own choosing, possesses the power of transferring its seat of identity from the passing material-intellect system to the higher morontia-soul system which, in association with the Thought Adjuster, is created as a new vehicle for personality manifestation." [uB pp.1232,3]

Some of these ideas are partially echoed in existing 'frames-for-thought", but I find

their clarification and integration in the Urantia papers to be refreshing, and timely.

Nigel

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