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A Life Before our Life on Urantia?

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I was wondering what the Urantia book's take on reincarnation is for the citizens of Urantia?

 

AND, Is the process of our bestowel to this planet described in the UB?

 

 

If so, I would like to hear about it...

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I was wondering what the Urantia book's take on reincarnation is for the citizens of Urantia?

 

AND, Is the process of our bestowel to this planet described in the UB?

If so, I would like to hear about it...

 

Hi Rossco,

 

Paper 52:6 you have about the bestowel for Urantia.

About reincarnation it say that generaly it is our first life. I say generaly because i have read some

informations about it that say other thing. Many places in TUB it talk about unreaveled things.

 

Peace and Love.

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Reason I ask is I hear so much about people having memories of the life before the one they currently live, and for those people they wouldn't find "truth" in the UB, because they are so dead set on the idea that they've lived previous lives.

 

I myself have been told I was a Boddhisatva, someone who willingly comes back to the earth after the death of a previous life to help raise the awareness of the earth's citizens...so I am naturally quite curious to hear what the UB says about it.

 

Consideration also to the fact that Jesus himself has several bestowals...from what I understand.

 

 

Thank you for your help.

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Hello Rossco :rolleyes:

 

The Urantia Papers say that such thing as reincarnation does not happen, and regarding the Bestowals that is different. Incarnation, what Jesus had, is different from reincarnation. :P

Perhaps, any of the readers of the UAI could volunteer to explain this, the fact that there is not such thing as reincarnation, with quotations of the Urantia Papers. ;)

 

Bye

U-rantian

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Hi,

 

I looked up the word "reincarnation" in the UB word search from the UAUS website and found this list of references in the book where the word appears.

 

"CONTENTS OF THE BOOK, Aug 31 2001

 

* line 1535: Doctrine of reincarnation

 

PAPER 86 - EARLY EVOLUTION OF RELIGION, Oct 19 2000

 

* line 75: The orange race was especially given to belief in transmigration and reincarnation. This idea of reincarnation originated in the observance of hereditary and trait resemblance of offspring to ancestors. The custom of naming children after grandparents and other ancestors was due to belief in reincarnation. Some later-day races believed that man died from three to seven times. This belief (residual from the teachings of Adam about the mansion worlds), and many other remnants of revealed religion, can be found among the otherwise absurd doctrines of twentieth-century barbarians.

 

PAPER 94 - THE MELCHIZEDEK TEACHINGS IN THE ORIENT, Oct 19 2000

 

* line 51: The undue concentration on self led certainly to a fear of the nonevolutionary perpetuation of self in an endless round of successive incarnations as man, beast, or weeds. And of all the contaminating beliefs which could have become fastened upon what may have been an emerging monotheism, none was so stultifying as this belief in transmigration--the doctrine of the reincarnation of souls--which came from the Dravidian Deccan. This belief in the weary and monotonous round of repeated transmigrations robbed struggling mortals of their long-cherished hope of finding that deliverance and spiritual advancement in death which had been a part of the earlier Vedic faith.

 

PAPER 88 - FETISHES, CHARMS, AND MAGIC, Oct 19 2000

 

* line 35: If an animal ate human flesh, it became a fetish. In this way the dog came to be the sacred animal of the Parsees. If the fetish is an animal and the ghost is permanently resident therein, then fetishism may impinge on reincarnation. In many ways the savages envied the animals; they did not feel superior to them and were often named after their favorite beasts.

 

PAPER 46 - THE LOCAL SYSTEM HEADQUARTERS, Oct 19 2000

 

* line 165: Although spornagia neither possess nor evolve survival souls, though they do not have personality, nevertheless, they do evolve an individuality which can experience reincarnation. When, with the passing of time, the physical bodies of these unique creatures deteriorate from usage and age, their creators, in collaboration with the Life Carriers, fabricate new bodies in which the old spornagia re-establish their residences.

* line 166: Spornagia are the only creatures in all the universe of Nebadon who experience this or any other sort of reincarnation. They are only reactive to the first five of the adjutant mind-spirits; they are not responsive to the spirits of worship and wisdom. But the five-adjutant mind equivalates to a totality or sixth reality level, and it is this factor which persists as an experiential identity.

 

PAPER 164 - AT THE FEAST OF DEDICATION, Oct 19 2000

 

* line 57: There was, throughout all these regions, a lingering belief in reincarnation. The older Jewish teachers, together with Plato, Philo, and many of the Essenes, tolerated the theory that men may reap in one incarnation what they have sown in a previous existence; thus in one life they were believed to be expiating the sins committed in preceding lives. The Master found it difficult to make men believe that their souls had not had previous existences."

 

Jesus found it difficult to make men believe that their souls had not had previous existences.

 

Happy reading,

Meredith

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Hi All,

 

As we improve in this business of living, the Papers describe how we can increasingly catch love and glimpse messages from our adjuster self. As we progress, if we discover snippets of the past adventures of an experienced adjuster, and were we not yet thinking in the new frame for thought spun by the Urantia Papers, then what would we conclude? If it feels like an experience within us, and if we did not know of the adjusters, as the distinction between adjuster and us diminishes, would we not think of His experiences as ours? What might a mystic make of all this? I guess it would depend on whether our mystic were entering the 7th cosmic circle, traversing the 3rd, or cavorting in the 1st :rolleyes:

 

Hmm, a couple of lives, parallel or past... how must our Father feel, experiencing the trillions of us?

 

take this little light of love,

Nigel

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I can't point to statements within the Urantia Book that would support this idea, but I have heard it suggested elsewhere that the past lives which many people describe are closer in nature to "virtual" experiences; things which were imagined, and as such, potentially real but never actualized in experience. These experiences seem to have been stored in what, for want of a better term, I describe as the cosmic information field, possibly something like akasha. And the supposed reincarnate has unwittingly accessed and adopted this virtual experience believing it to be something that they experience pre-natally.

 

The big puzzle for me, about reincarnation, is instances in which a child remembers a previous life experience that can be verified against documentation even though the child has never been exposed to any recollections or documentation from which to construct any memories. The best explanation I have for now is something similar to the theory outlined in my first paragraph.

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A complicating factor is the fact there is no time in the spirit world.

Perhaps from a human perspective, reincarnation may seem logical,

but spiritual realms seem to be outside of time.

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46:7.5 Spornagia are the only creatures in all the universe of Nebadon who experience this or any other sort of reincarnation.

164:3.4 The Master found it difficult to make men believe that their souls had not had previous existences.

 

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Hi rich.sachs,

 

While the topic of reincarnation is appropriate for discussion, the "writings of Seth" are not.

The rules of this forum require the moderators to remove discussion of such work.

 

If you would like to discuss such things, there are other more appropriate forums.

 

Nigel

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no, bestowal is talked about only for paradise sons.

 

AND, Is the process of our bestowel to this planet described in the UB?

 

 

If so, I would like to hear about it...

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World Press Freedom Day, today, May 3, 2011:

 

The United Nations General Assembly declared 3 May to be World Press Freedom Day to raise awareness of the importance of freedom of the press and remind governments of their duty to respect and uphold the right to freedom of expression enshrined under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and marking the anniversary of the Declaration of Windhoek, a statement of free press principles put together by African newspaper journalists in 1991.

 

UNESCO marks World Press Freedom Day by conferring the UNESCO/Guillermo Cano World Press Freedom Prize on a deserving individual, organization or institution that has made an outstanding contribution to the defence and/or promotion of press freedom anywhere in the world, especially when this has been achieved in the face of danger. Created in 1997, the prize is awarded on the recommendation of an independent jury of 14 news professionals. Names are submitted by regional and international non-governmental organizations working for press freedom, and by UNESCO member states.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Day

 

Due to the removal of the contributions by Todd and me from this thread, I recommend that the moderators of this forum use the moderator rights to preserve a very broad freedom of expression on this forum!

 

Discussion of The Urantia Papers text demand that the moderators are, as a minimum requirement, conforming to the The United Nations General Assembly declaration of World Press Freedom!

Edited by HSTa

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I know that this forum has had some trouble with the "Teaching Mission" fans, for instance. Forum administrator, Nigel , explained in private mail the reason for deleting one of my contributions.

 

My recommendation is however, that the forum rules should be interpreted to the favor of freedom of expression! A too narrow interpretation of the forum rules might have the effect that we miss some new important contemporary information.

 

I had no intention to discuss "forbidden" channeled material!

 

My quotes were from the following sources, which carry a lot of material relevant to the UBook text:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sethian

 

 

My intention was also to discuss the difference in the interpretation of the words reincarnation and the more appropriate expression incarnation, recommended to be used by the UBook!

 

Referenced in The Urantia Book, and hence allowed subjects, are:

 

"Seth, Sethard, Sethite and Sethites": the mentioned words appear in the Urantia Book text 24 times, as seen from the following UBook quotes: (left out this time)

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53:5.4 Since Michael (rich) elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare (controversy) of the Lucifer rebellion (forum), Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania.

 

World Press Freedom Day, today, May 3, 2011:

 

Due to the removal of the contributions by Todd and me from this thread, I recommend that the moderators of this forum use the moderator rights to preserve a very broad freedom of expression on this forum!

 

Discussion of The Urantia Papers text demand that the moderators are, as a minimum requirement, conforming to the The United Nations General Assembly declaration of World Press Freedom!

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53:5.4 Since Michael (rich) elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare (controversy) of the Lucifer rebellion (forum), Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania.

 

Hi rich, all,

 

I am in the dark as to what you intend to indictate to us with the above reference into which you insert the words (rich), (controversy) and (forum). The larger context of your reference from PAPER 53 reads:

 

From the outbreak of rebellion to the day of his enthronement as sovereign ruler of Nebadon, Michael never interfered with the rebel forces of Lucifer; they were allowed to run a free course for almost two hundred thousand years of Urantia time. Christ Michael now has ample power and authority to deal promptly, even summarily, with such outbreaks of disloyalty, but we doubt that this sovereign authority would lead him to act differently if another such upheaval should occur.

 

Since Michael elected to remain aloof from the actual warfare of the Lucifer rebellion, Gabriel called his personal staff together on Edentia and, in counsel with the Most Highs, elected to assume command of the loyal hosts of Satania.
Michael remained on Salvington while Gabriel proceeded to Jerusem, and establishing himself on the sphere dedicated to the Father--the same Universal Father whose personality Lucifer and Satan had questioned--in the presence of the forgathered hosts of loyal personalities, he displayed the banner of Michael, the material emblem of the Trinity government of all creation, the three azure blue concentric circles on a white background.
P. 605 - §7

 

All the best,

Meredith

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