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Wow! today's visuals are amazing. :)

 

Thank you,

 

Carolyn

 

You're welcome, Carolyn. Glad to hear you enjoyed them. It's a thrill digging them out, pasting together images and history, getting a feel for those times, for his young life, his thoughts as viewed through his eyes, the eyes of a Michael on a mission.

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I've never seen anything like this....thrilling. I know you have a full plate but what a wonderful table book the maps and coins and statues and photos and tie ins that you provide with text support would make a marvelous and scholarly addition to the library of the fellowship of readers. You amaze my friend. Thank you.

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I've never seen anything like this....thrilling. I know you have a full plate but what a wonderful table book the maps and coins and statues and photos and tie ins that you provide with text support would make a marvelous and scholarly addition to the library of the fellowship of readers. You amaze my friend. Thank you.

 

Welllll....it's a thrill because it's fresh revelation, pure and sound. But it's also thrilling because the first time I went through with others was a seven year study group event at home, ten pages every two weeks on average, but without the Web! (back in the 90's). NOW, you can type in Sartaba and get 12,000 hits and never go to a library, but library's and encyclopedias are there too, hundreds of photos of just about everything. Makes it easy to chase down every sentence, like I wished for back then. The Web's the thing, for leaning and teaching, leveling the field.

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Welcome to UAI Forum's One-Page-A-Day Online Study Session

 

 

Today's Presentation:

 

 

PAPER 124 - THE LATER CHILDHOOD OF JESUS

 

 

6. THE JOURNEY TO JERUSALEM

 

 

[Part 2 of 3]

 

 

 

P.1375 - §2 By the fourth and last day's journey the road was a continuous procession of pilgrims. They now began to climb the hills leading up to Jerusalem. As they neared the top, they could look across the Jordan to the mountains beyond and south over the sluggish waters of the Dead Sea. About halfway up to Jerusalem, Jesus gained his first view of the Mount of Olives (the region to be so much a part of his subsequent life), and Joseph pointed out to him that the Holy City lay just beyond this ridge, and the lad's heart beat fast with joyous anticipation of soon beholding the city and house of his heavenly Father.

 

P.1375 - §3 On the eastern slopes of Olivet they paused for rest in the borders of a little village called Bethany. The hospitable villagers poured forth to minister to the pilgrims, and it happened that Joseph and his family had stopped near the house of one Simon, who had three children about the same age as Jesus--Mary, Martha, and Lazarus. They invited the Nazareth family in for refreshment, and a lifelong friendship sprang up between the two families. Many times afterward, in his eventful life, Jesus stopped in this home.

 

P.1375 - §4 They pressed on, soon standing on the brink of Olivet, and Jesus saw for the first time (in his memory) the Holy City, the pretentious palaces, and the inspiring temple of his Father. At no time in his life did Jesus ever experience such a purely human thrill as that which at this time so completely enthralled him as he stood there on this April afternoon on the Mount of Olives, drinking in his first view of Jerusalem. And in after years, on this same spot he stood and wept over the city which was about to reject another prophet, the last and the greatest of her heavenly teachers.

 

P.1375 - §5 But they hurried on to Jerusalem. It was now Thursday afternoon. On reaching the city, they journeyed past the temple, and never had Jesus beheld such throngs of human beings. He meditated deeply on how these Jews had assembled here from the uttermost parts of the known world.

 

P.1375 - §6 Soon they reached the place prearranged for their accommodation during the Passover week, the large home of a well-to-do relative of Mary's, one who knew something of the early history of both John and Jesus, through Zacharias. The following day, the day of preparation, they made ready for the appropriate celebration of the Passover Sabbath.

 

P.1375 - §7 While all Jerusalem was astir in preparation for the Passover, Joseph found time to take his son around to visit the academy where it had been arranged for him to resume his education two years later, as soon as he reached the required age of fifteen. Joseph was truly puzzled when he observed how little interest Jesus evinced in all these carefully laid plans.

 

 

 

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Good Day Carolyn, Bradly, Alina, Menno, Pike, Carola, Fellow Students, Forum Friends and Guests,

 

Pilgrimages must be fun times for the little ones. And for this little one Jesus, now almost 13 years old, it had special meaning. He was about to enter God's abode on Urantia.

...and the lad's heart beat fast with joyous anticipation of soon beholding the city and house of his heavenly Father.... P.1375 - 2

 

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...As they neared the top, they could look across the Jordan to the mountains beyond and south over the sluggish waters of the Dead Sea.... P.1375 - 2

 

This map gives an idea of the ridge line on which Jerusalem sits, with the Jordan river and Dead Sea to the east. They would have been hiking up from the Jericho area.

 

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...Jesus gained his first view of the Mount of Olives (the region to be so much a part of his subsequent life).... P.1375 - 2

 

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Mt Olivet 1899

 

 

 

This is Mt Olivet cemetery, the pointed stone marker is where John the Baptist's father is presumed to be buried.

 

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...On the eastern slopes of Olivet they paused for rest in the borders of a little village called Bethany.... P.1375 - 3

 

 

This one shows how close Mt Olivet and Bethany are.

 

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This fateful day three of Jesus' closest associates, his dear and loyal friends for life, were met. From today's reading:

 

...it happened that Joseph and his family had stopped near the house of one Simon, who had three children about the same age as Jesus--Mary, Martha, and Lazarus.... P.1375 - 3

 

From Paper 127:6:

 

...Next to his own family he loved these three most of all.... P.1404 - 2

 

Mary Magdalene became a saint, Lazarus has the unique distinction of being the only person to be raised from the dead--physically. And Martha made it into the Bible, the one who asked Jesus to make Mary help her with the chores. Apparently "Luke" didn't realize they had met as children. From Luke 10:

 

38 As Jesus and his disciples were on their way, he came to a village where a woman named Martha opened her home to him.

 

39 She had a sister called Mary, who sat at the Lord’s feet listening to what he said.

 

40 But Martha was distracted by all the preparations that had to be made. She came to him and asked, “Lord, don’t you care that my sister has left me to do the work by myself? Tell her to help me!”

 

41 “Martha, Martha,” the Lord answered, “you are worried and upset about many things,

 

42 but few things are needed—or indeed only one. Mary has chosen what is better, and it will not be taken away from her.”

 

 

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...At no time in his life did Jesus ever experience such a purely human thrill as that which at this time so completely enthralled him as he stood there on this April afternoon on the Mount of Olives, drinking in his first view of Jerusalem.... P.1375 - 4

 

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From today's reading:

...And in after years, on this same spot he stood and wept over the city which was about to reject another prophet....
P.1375 - 4

 

From Paper 172:3:

...Jesus was lighthearted and cheerful as they moved along until he came to the brow of Olivet, where the city and the temple towers came into full view; there the Master stopped the procession, and a great silence came upon all as they beheld him weeping. Looking down upon the vast multitude coming forth from the city to greet him, the Master, with much emotion and with tearful voice, said: "O Jerusalem, if you had only known, even you, at least in this your day, the things which belong to your peace, and which you could so freely have had! But now are these glories about to be hid from your eyes. You are about to reject the Son of Peace and turn your backs upon the gospel of salvation. The days will soon come upon you wherein your enemies will cast a trench around about you and lay siege to you on every side; they shall utterly destroy you, insomuch that not one stone shall be left upon another. And all this shall befall you because you knew not the time of your divine visitation. You are about to reject the gift of God, and all men will reject you...."
P.1882 - 3

 

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Jesus somehow sensed, at his tender age, that he would never fulfill the plans laid out for him, that he would never come back to Jerusalem and study Hebrew theology at its academy, all because his father's death was imminent:

...Joseph was truly puzzled when he observed how little interest Jesus evinced in all these carefully laid plans....
P.1375 - 7

 

 

In tomorrow's reading, part 3 of Section 6 (the last of Paper 124), THE JOURNEY TO JERUSALEM Jesus receives a message from his spirit brother Immanuel, telling him it's time to "be about his Father's business". The end of his childhood has come.

 

 

 

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Overview of 124. The Later Childhood of Jesus

 

This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Rick,

 

I suppose everyday I will have to post here because everyday I remain delighted with what I see, as well as, what I read. Thanks for doing the leg work. I probably would not surf the web for visuals...have "other fish to fry." Life tends to slip in and catch me unaware. Unfortunately, it also happens to me in the middle of prayers, reading TUB, and when sweeping out the sand and scrubbing the dishes. <_<

 

Much love, :wub:

 

Carolyn

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Thanks for being here and participating Carolyn. Very much appreciate your presence and participation, your thoughtfulness and light. It seems like you've been here as long as any of us, at the same time you are doing what your hands find to do! Not sure what to say about life slipping in on you :D

 

Soon OPAD, the TB&G calendar, and A Course In Love will be moving to our new site, take a peek if you like http://urantia-uai.org/overview/

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Welcome to UAI Forum's One-Page-A-Day Online Study Session

 

 

Today's Presentation:

 

 

PAPER 124 - THE LATER CHILDHOOD OF JESUS

 

 

6. THE JOURNEY TO JERUSALEM

 

 

[Part 3 of 3]

 

 

P.1375 - §8 Jesus was profoundly impressed by the temple and all the associated services and other activities. For the first time since he was four years old, he was too much preoccupied with his own meditations to ask many questions. He did, however, ask his father several embarrassing questions (as he had on previous occasions) as to why the heavenly Father required the slaughter of so many innocent and helpless animals. And his father well knew from the expression on the lad's face that his answers and attempts at explanation were unsatisfactory to his deep-thinking and keen-reasoning son.

 

 

P.1376 - §1 On the day before the Passover Sabbath, flood tides of spiritual illumination swept through the mortal mind of Jesus and filled his human heart to overflowing with affectionate pity for the spiritually blind and morally ignorant multitudes assembled for the celebration of the ancient Passover commemoration. This was one of the most extraordinary days that the Son of God spent in the flesh; and during the night, for the first time in his earth career, there appeared to him an assigned messenger from Salvington, commissioned by Immanuel, who said: "The hour has come. It is time that you began to be about your Father's business."

 

P.1376 - §2 And so, even ere the heavy responsibilities of the Nazareth family descended upon his youthful shoulders, there now arrived the celestial messenger to remind this lad, not quite thirteen years of age, that the hour had come to begin the resumption of the responsibilities of a universe. This was the first act of a long succession of events which finally culminated in the completion of the Son's bestowal on Urantia and the replacing of "the government of a universe on his human-divine shoulders."

 

P.1376 - §3 As time passed, the mystery of the incarnation became, to all of us, more and more unfathomable. We could hardly comprehend that this lad of Nazareth was the creator of all Nebadon. Neither do we nowadays understand how the spirit of this same Creator Son and the spirit of his Paradise Father are associated with the souls of mankind. With the passing of time, we could see that his human mind was increasingly discerning that, while he lived his life in the flesh, in spirit on his shoulders rested the responsibility of a universe.

 

 

P.1376 - §4 Thus ends the career of the Nazareth lad, and begins the narrative of that adolescent youth--the increasingly self-conscious divine human--who now begins the contemplation of his world career as he strives to integrate his expanding life purpose with the desires of his parents and his obligations to his family and the society of his day and age.

 

 

 

 

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Good Day Carolyn, Menno, Bonita, Bradly, Absonite, Carola, Fellow Students, Forum Friends and Guests,

...He did, however, ask his father several embarrassing questions (as he had on previous occasions) as to why the heavenly Father required the slaughter of so many innocent and helpless animals.... P.1375 - 8

 

No wonder he found the animal sacrifice repugnant:

 

The Sacrifice.

 

The sacrificial animal, which was either a lamb or kid, was necessarily a male, one year old, and without blemish. Each family or society offered one victim together, which did not require the "semikah" (laying on of hands), although it was obligatory to determine who were to take part in the sacrifice that the killing might take place with the proper intentions. Only those who were circumcised and clean before the Law might participate; and they were forbidden to have leavened food in their possession during the act of killing the paschal lamb. The animal was slain on the eve of the Passover, on the afternoon of the 14th of Nisan, after the Tamid sacrifice had been killed, i.e., at three o'clock, or, in case the eve of the Passover fell on Friday, at two. The killing took place in the court of the Temple, and might be performed by a layman, although the blood had to be caught by a priest, and rows of priests with gold or silver cups in their hands stood in line from the Temple court to the altar, where the blood was sprinkled. These cups were rounded on the bottom, so that they could not be set down; for in that case the blood might coagulate. The priest who caught the blood as it dropped from the victim then handed the cup to the priest next to him, receiving from him an empty one, and the full cup was passed along the line until it reached the last priest, who sprinkled its contents on the altar. The lamb was then hung upon special hooks or sticks and skinned; but if the eve of the Passover fell on a Sabbath, the skin was removed down to the breast only. The abdomen was then cut open, and the fatty portions intended for the altar were taken out, placed in a vessel, salted, and offered by the priest on the altar, while the remaining entrails likewise were taken out and cleansed.

 

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Offerings were practiced from earliest times, particularly for over one thousand years in the tabernacle and during the eras of the Temple of Solomon and the Second Temple in Jerusalem when the Israelites lived in the Land of Israel until the destruction of Judea, Jerusalem, and the Temple by the Roman Empire in 70 CE. Offerings are mentioned in Genesis, but codified in the later four books of the Torah outlining their origins and history. Every regular weekday, Sabbath, and many Jewish holidays had their own unique offerings. The priests performed the offerings first in the ancient Tabernacle and then in the Temple of Solomon (the first Temple in Jerusalem) and later in the Second Temple in Jerusalem. The Hebrew Bible describes the priests as descendants of Aaron who meet certain marriage and ritual purity requirements. The high priest in particular played a crucial role in this regard on the Day of Atonement, a day when multiple offerings were offered.

 

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You may thank me for not providing pictures or paintings of sacrificed animals :(

 

 

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All day he is caught up in the spectacle that is the great annual Passover celebration, his human and spirit emotions are at their peak.

 

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But in the midst of it, his Paradise brother sends a messenger with orders from headquarters. Immanuel must be watching every step his incarnated brother takes.

...there appeared to him an assigned messenger from Salvington, commissioned by Immanuel, who said: "The hour has come. It is time that you began to be about your Father's business...." P.1376 - 1

 

If young Jesus was in any way shocked or stunned by this sudden appearance in the night, the Midwayers don't mention it. Apparently it was a natural, perhaps even anticipated, event in his mind.

 

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Not sure who is being quoted here, perhaps Immanuel or his messenger?

...the replacing of "the government of a universe on his human-divine shoulders...." P.1376 - 2

 

 

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Seems strange, but the brilliant, long living Midwayers admit an ever growing lack of comprehension:

...As time passed, the mystery of the incarnation became, to all of us, more and more unfathomable. We could hardly comprehend that this lad of Nazareth was the creator of all Nebadon.... P.1376 - 3

 

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You might think that lack faded as he grew into manhood, or when he bestowed his Spirit of Truth. Evidently not:

...Neither do we nowadays understand how the spirit of this same Creator Son and the spirit of his Paradise Father are associated with the souls of mankind....
P.1376 - 3

 

 

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...Thus ends the career of the Nazareth lad, and begins the narrative of that adolescent youth--the increasingly self-conscious divine human.... P.1376 - 4

 

Up next, Paper 125, the retelling of one of the stories about his youth that was recorded, his stay at the temple and talk with the rabbis, while his parents discover his absence and scramble to find their supposedly "lost" child.

 

 

 

Thanks for reading. Forum Member's thoughts, reflections, insights, observations, comments, corrections and questions about today's OPAD presentation are invited. Join the Forum

 

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Overview of 124. The Later Childhood of Jesus

 

This group of papers [121-196] was sponsored by a commission of twelve Urantia midwayers acting under the supervision of a Melchizedek revelatory director. The basis of this narrative was supplied by a secondary midwayer who was onetime assigned to the superhuman watchcare of the Apostle Andrew.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Rick

 

This part of Jesus' life, his thirteenth year and his first trip to Jerusalem, really grabbed my attention in regards to how it was related to the major events that happened later on in his life here on earth-Urantia.

 

A few days ago, you mentioned an interesting fact about how Jesus' first trip to Jerusalem and his last trip there, would happen to fall on the same day.

 

I have also found some interesting things about his first trip to Jerusalem in April AD 7. Bear with me as I jump back and forth a bit, through time.

 

On the night of April 8th Jesus had a special visitor, an assigned messenger from Salvington, commissioned by Immanuel, who said "The hour has come. It is time that you began to be about your Father's business."

 

Now, fast foreword 19 years to Jan 13th AD 26 (135:8.3) When Jesus laid down his tools (at the Zebedee workshop) and said " My Hour has come."

 

Notice that he used the same term as the messenger from Salvington; On the surface, it seems almost like there is a 'time lag' between the center of this Universe and the human mortal level. 19 years to in effect say: ' okay. It is Time'

 

Another interesting point about this timing is the fact that Jesus met up with Satan and Caligastia, four months previously when he was up on Mt. Hermon in the last 3 weeks of Aug and first 3 weeks of Sept in AD 25, At that time he dealt with the two main characters involved with the Rebellion' effects here on Urantia.

 

Now , let's return to Jan 13th AD 26; Jesus puts down his tools and then goes to see his cousin John and was baptised on Jan 14th AD 26. During which time he completed the last and remaining circuit between him and his TA.

Then he went off by himself to spend 40 days in the Perean hills ( 136:3 The Forty Days)

during which time he met Gabriel and a little later the Constellation Father of Edentia appeared to Jesus and Gabriel. He told Jesus that "technically, your work on Urantia and in the flesh of the mortal will creature is finished. Your course from now on is a matter or your own choosing"

 

Now lets go back to the middle of Feb AD 7 (124:5.3) When Jesus became humanly conscious of his destiny to perform a mission on earth for the enlightenment of man and the revelation of God.

Some interesting points here: Here Jesus is a little bit over 12 and a half years of age, and he is becoming aware of "his destiny to perform a mission on earth for the enlightenment of man and the revelation of God."

 

In my humble opinion, that "destiny" as presented above, happened between the time of the forty days Jesus spent in the Perean Hills (after his baptism) and the completion of his work here on Urantia when he left his disciples , forty days after his crucification.

 

So in effect, the young Jesus during his thirteenth year, was way more connected with complete purpose for being here. Even more so than the Constellation Father was aware of.

 

In closing, let me add one more thing. I happened to have been blessed or some might say 'cursed'; with a mind that spots or recognizes patterns.

 

While composing this post, my mind spotted a pattern, with all of the above events.

AD 25 Aug - Sept six weeks Jesus spent on Mt. Hermon Forty Days

AD 26 After his baptism Jesus spent forty days in the Perean Hills

AD 30 After his death on the cross Jesus spent forty days wrapping up loose ends on earth with his followers, moving through the various morontia levels, etc

 

And the last one is a bit of a stretch, as we weren't given an exact date for it; but from the time that Jesus became humanly conscious of his "destiny" to the time he left for his first trip to Jerusalem; might well have been forty days.. We are only told that it happened around the middle of February. If it was on Feb 24th it would make it 40 days.

 

Thanks Rick, for allowing me to express these thoughts which related directly to Jesus' Thirteenth Year and his First Trip to Jerusalem.

 

Menno

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Dear Rick,

 

Again thank you for the replicas of great paintings. I usually identify myself as "teacher" but "artist" has equal spot. A teacher of art appreciation for many years, as well as being a painter, makes your posts sing to my heart.

 

Dear Menno,

 

I was also a student and teacher of how our brains learn and work. Yes, the brain IS a pattern seeking device. Thank you so much for sharing your patterns. They are brilliant.

 

Much love, :wub:

 

Carolyn

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Hi Rick

 

This part of Jesus' life, his thirteenth year and his first trip to Jerusalem, really grabbed my attention in regards to how it was related to the major events that happened later on in his life here on earth-Urantia.

 

A few days ago, you mentioned an interesting fact about how Jesus' first trip to Jerusalem and his last trip there, would happen to fall on the same day.

 

I have also found some interesting things about his first trip to Jerusalem in April AD 7. Bear with me as I jump back and forth a bit, through time.

 

On the night of April 8th Jesus had a special visitor, an assigned messenger from Salvington, commissioned by Immanuel, who said "The hour has come. It is time that you began to be about your Father's business."

 

Now, fast foreword 19 years to Jan 13th AD 26 (135:8.3) When Jesus laid down his tools (at the Zebedee workshop) and said " My Hour has come."

 

Notice that he used the same term as the messenger from Salvington; On the surface, it seems almost like there is a 'time lag' between the center of this Universe and the human mortal level. 19 years to in effect say: ' okay. It is Time'

 

Another interesting point about this timing is the fact that Jesus met up with Satan and Caligastia, four months previously when he was up on Mt. Hermon in the last 3 weeks of Aug and first 3 weeks of Sept in AD 25, At that time he dealt with the two main characters involved with the Rebellion' effects here on Urantia.

 

Now , let's return to Jan 13th AD 26; Jesus puts down his tools and then goes to see his cousin John and was baptised on Jan 14th AD 26. During which time he completed the last and remaining circuit between him and his TA.

Then he went off by himself to spend 40 days in the Perean hills ( 136:3 The Forty Days)

during which time he met Gabriel and a little later the Constellation Father of Edentia appeared to Jesus and Gabriel. He told Jesus that "technically, your work on Urantia and in the flesh of the mortal will creature is finished. Your course from now on is a matter or your own choosing"

 

Now lets go back to the middle of Feb AD 7 (124:5.3) When Jesus became humanly conscious of his destiny to perform a mission on earth for the enlightenment of man and the revelation of God.

Some interesting points here: Here Jesus is a little bit over 12 and a half years of age, and he is becoming aware of "his destiny to perform a mission on earth for the enlightenment of man and the revelation of God."

 

In my humble opinion, that "destiny" as presented above, happened between the time of the forty days Jesus spent in the Perean Hills (after his baptism) and the completion of his work here on Urantia when he left his disciples , forty days after his crucification.

 

So in effect, the young Jesus during his thirteenth year, was way more connected with complete purpose for being here. Even more so than the Constellation Father was aware of.

 

In closing, let me add one more thing. I happened to have been blessed or some might say 'cursed'; with a mind that spots or recognizes patterns.

 

While composing this post, my mind spotted a pattern, with all of the above events.

AD 25 Aug - Sept six weeks Jesus spent on Mt. Hermon Forty Days

AD 26 After his baptism Jesus spent forty days in the Perean Hills

AD 30 After his death on the cross Jesus spent forty days wrapping up loose ends on earth with his followers, moving through the various morontia levels, etc

 

And the last one is a bit of a stretch, as we weren't given an exact date for it; but from the time that Jesus became humanly conscious of his "destiny" to the time he left for his first trip to Jerusalem; might well have been forty days.. We are only told that it happened around the middle of February. If it was on Feb 24th it would make it 40 days.

 

Thanks Rick, for allowing me to express these thoughts which related directly to Jesus' Thirteenth Year and his First Trip to Jerusalem.

 

Menno

 

Anytime Menno. Much appreciate your input. One can't help noticing more and more of the repeating patterns and seeming coincidences throughout the book. But you may have unearthed some new ones! ...Or should we use the term unUrantiaed now?

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The forty days thing is not an accident. The Jews put a great deal of significance on the number forty which is mentioned 146 times in the Bible. Here's a few I can remember:

  • Rain for forty days and forty nights
  • Egypt was to be laid desolate for 40 years
  • Moses was on the mountain for forty days
  • The Israelites wandered in the desert for forty years
  • David reigned for forty years
  • The holy place of the temple was forty cubits long
  • Jesus spent forty days in the wilderness
  • Jesus remained on earth for forty days between resurrection and ascension
  • Jerusalem Temple destroyed forty years after Jesus' death
  • etc., etc.

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It looks like the the number "forty days" originates from much deeper levels than that which is found in the Bible

 

Paper 47:8.5 "Immediately upon the confirmation of Adjuster fusion the new morontia being is introduced to his fellows for the first time by his new name and is granted the forty days of spiritual retirement from all routine activities wherein to commune with himself and to choose some one of the optional routes to Havona and to select from the different techniques of Paradise attainment"

 

This would certainly explain the part about Jesus taking some time off (routine activities) after he had been baptised and completed the seven circuits of connecting with his TA

 

But it still leaves us with the question of how the number forty came down (from the deeper levels) into the fabric of the Jewish culture and religion..

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It looks like the the number "forty days" originates from much deeper levels than that which is found in the Bible

 

Paper 47:8.5 "Immediately upon the confirmation of Adjuster fusion the new morontia being is introduced to his fellows for the first time by his new name and is granted the forty days of spiritual retirement from all routine activities wherein to commune with himself and to choose some one of the optional routes to Havona and to select from the different techniques of Paradise attainment"

 

This would certainly explain the part about Jesus taking some time off (routine activities) after he had been baptised and completed the seven circuits of connecting with his TA

 

But it still leaves us with the question of how the number forty came down (from the deeper levels) into the fabric of the Jewish culture and religion..

 

Adam and/or Melchizedek?

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Yes, I'm thinking from Mel's mouth into Abe's ear. Wonder if the number 40 made it to India or China by Mel's missionaries? Or is it a Judaic teaching only? This is why I love this place so much. Thanks to all.

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Yes, I'm thinking from Mel's mouth into Abe's ear. Wonder if the number 40 made it to India or China by Mel's missionaries? Or is it a Judaic teaching only? This is why I love this place so much. Thanks to all.

 

From Wikipedia:

 

In Hinduism, some popular religious prayers consist of forty shlokas or dohas (couplets, stanzas). The most common being the Hanuman Chalisa (chaalis is the Hindi term for 40). In Hindu system some of the popular fasting period consist 40 days and is called the period One 'Mandl kal' Kal means a period and Mandal kal means a period of 40 days. For example the devotees of 'Swami Ayyappa', the name of a Hindu God very popular in Kerala, India ( Sabarimala Swami Ayyappan ) strictly observed forty days fasting and visit ( Only male devotees are permitted to enter into the God's Temple) with their holy submittance or offerings on 41st or a convenient day after a minimum 40 days practice of fasting. The offering is called 'Kanikka'.

Also, there's the following fuzzy factoids:

  • Muhammad was forty years old when he first received the revelation delivered by the archangel Gabriel in 610AD
  • Muhammad prayed and fasted in the cave for forty days
  • In Islam there are the 40 companions, the 40 perfect; the universe is supported by 40 pillars; there are 40 supports of the dome of the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem
  • A mikvah consists of 40 se'ah of water
  • Isaac was forty years old when he took Rebekah as his wife
  • The children of Israel ate manna for forty years
  • Elijah journeyed on Mount Horeb for forty days and forty nights.
  • Lent lasts for forty days
  • Buddha fasted for forty days in the desert
  • In Buddhism there are "40 Meditation Subjects"
  • According to the Egyptians, forty days are necessary in order for the soul to be delivered of the body.
  • There are forty days of sacrifices in Mithraism
  • Ali Baba and the forty thieves
  • Forty winks
  • The only number whose letters, when written out, are in alphabetical order

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Bradly;

 

Sure looks like Mel's "fingerprints" all over this case. You were wondering how far and wide this had spread; well Bonita found the answer for you.

 

But, it still leaves us with the question of why the Thought Adjusters came up with the forty days.

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Hi Carolyn;

 

Are you referring to the Thought Adjusters ?

 

If so; I got the impression that they were connected with the time period of "Forty Days" from the following paragraph taken from Paper 47:8.5

 

"Immediately upon the confirmation of Adjuster fusion the new morontia being is introduced to his fellows for the first time by his new name and is granted the forty days of spiritual retirement from all routine activities wherein to commune with himself and to choose some of the optional routes to Havona and to select from the differential techniques of Paradise attainment.

 

The way I interpret this, is that it was a common practice for the Thought Adjusters to grant the forty days of spiritual retirement, and that this would have been done, long before Urantia ever became an inhabited planet and had produced it's first "crop of fusion candidates" (thereby ruling out the possibility of morontia beings from earth Urantia, bringing along the "forty day" rest period clause in their fusion contracts.)

 

Also with affection

 

Menno

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Dear Menno,

 

I have read the entire Paper 47 and have to say you might have a better understanding as to the Thought Adjusters and the connect to 40 days based on more than what I read there? If I understand you correctly, you are surmising that this reference to 40 days does not come from mortals on Urantia, so it must have come by way of Thought Adjusters?

 

Sorry, If I might be missing your train of thought. It is often difficult to follow here on the forum because we are not talking to each other face to face. That would clear up the difficulty.

 

So, if you are willing, could you please elaborate for me your thoughts?

 

Thank you for your time,

 

Carolyn

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Dear Carolyn,

 

I tend to break things down to a very basic and simple level; so, when a human being is on their path to becoming one with their Thought Adjuster, I believe they are transferring their "will" over to the Spirit of God within...(their Thought Adjuster,) as per the saying: "Not my will, but Thy Will be Done"

 

So when this mortal human being has shifted through the various morontia levels and reached the ultimate goal of Adjuster fusion...handed over all of his own personal will, and then is "granted" a rest for a period of forty days; my understanding is that it is the TA who is "granting" this time off..this break from the normal routine.

 

I might be overlooking some other explanation; but that is how my mind sees it.

 

Hope that this gives you some idea of how my thinking process works.

 

I am interested in how you view what is being presented within that paper, particularly 47:8.5 ?

 

Menno

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Dear Menno,

 

I do think your simplifying mind may be the antithesis of my husbands abstract mind and I may be (IMO) a bit of both. I do simplify, as it was my job as a teacher to do so...many different personalities in any given classroom meant presenting the complex in as many ways as there were students.

 

The abstract minds are those of most who post here on the Forum. They can take a bit from here and there and bring it to a conclusion for all to understand who read TUB.

 

In regards to my thoughts on Paper 47: 8,5 I had to return to Paper 40: 7,3 and then reread your question before I answered. There is a connect between the two which I think your validates your thoughts on the 40 days of spiritual retirement...etc.

 

“...These indwelling fragments of God are with your order of being from the early days of physical existence through all of the ascending career in Nebadon and Orvonton and through Havona to Paradise itself. Thereafter, in the eternal adventure, this same Adjuster is one with you and of you.”

 

Twirl that around in you marvelous mind and try to connect my dots with yours. They may not connect? :ph34r:

 

Affectionately, :wub:

 

Carolyn

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