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As I know it, experience in general is involvement with situations happening. I experience living a human lifetime on Urantia. I experience various interactions with things, and relationships with beings. etc... those situations are happening, and I experience them because I am involved with them. When I am not invokved with a situation happening, then I am not experiencing that happening situation.

 

My relationship with God is a situation happening with which I am involved. My relationship with God had a beginning, but may not (and I am working to ensure that relationship does not) have an ending. Although the finite references situations that have both beginnings and endings, the finite also includes such situations that had beginnings but may not have endings (0:1.11). Therefore, my relationship with God is a finite experience, which can be said to continue perpetually forward.

 

If settling the Grand Universe in light and life means the exhaustion of all finite experience - then that suggests that the experience of my relationship with God (which is finite - albeit open ended) could be exhausted.

 

And I just don't see how that ever could happen.

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Absonite, not deplete the Grand Universe reflexivity in the Age of Light and Life.We will continue on the path upward evolutionary experiences.

To fully use the potential is still a long time ...

Only in that distant time when all universes will exhaust all possible potential.

 

and..

 

...when all creatures attain the final level of finite existence, and after total universe development makes possible their attainment of God the Supreme as an actual divinity presence, then, inherent in the fact of such contact, is contact with total experience. The finite of time contains within itself the seeds of eternity; and we are taught that, when the fullness of evolution witnesses the exhaustion of the capacity for cosmic growth, the total finite will embark upon the absonite phases of the eternal career in quest of the Father as Ultimate. 117.5.14

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I suppose the question is: If we never stop experiencing, will we ever comprehend the eternal or the infinite?

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I suppose the question is: If we never stop experiencing, will we ever comprehend the eternal or the infinite?

 

Does this quote answer that question?

 

106:7.5 No matter how much you may grow in Father comprehension, your mind will always be staggered by the unrevealed Infinity of the Father-I AM, the unexplored vastness of which will always remain unfathomable and incomprehensible throughout all the cycles of eternity. No matter how much of God you may attain, there will always remain much more of him, the existence of which you will not even suspect. And we believe that this is just as true on transcendental levels as it is in the domains of finite existence. The quest for God is endless!

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If I can euqate comprehending God the Father-I AM with comprehending eternity/infinity then yes, It appears so.

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The way the UB uses the word comprehend is very different than how I (and nearly everyone I know) uses that term. The implication with how the UB repeatedly talks about us being unable to comprehend various things, beings, situations, and processes seems to me to be about something more than merely mentally grasping explanations for, and getting the gist of, how stuff works. Instead, the way the Revelators use the word comprehend implies some kind of epic encapsulation for a topic that only can be achieved from using a vantage native to beings of specific cosmic levels relevant for a topic.

 

i.e. that which is eternal is that which has neither start (beginning) nor finish (ending). In my everyday use of this language, accepting that definition right there is enough for accurately saying that I comprehend what eternal-eternity-eternality is - (that which eternal-eternity-eternality means). But such everyday use of that term is not what the Revelators seem to me to mean when they use the word. They seem to me to mean grokking (epically encapsulating on a relevant level of being) eternal-eternity-eternality - which only really can be accomplished by eternal beings!

 

So I basically have all but completely stopped using the term comprehend when talking about certain UB teachings, given that what I mean by the word is so different than what the Revelators mean by the term.

 

 

In light of that, my answer to your question, Nelson is exactly what Bonita just pointed out: God, The I AM, (and associated issues like infinity and eternality) is always going to remain incomprehensible - according to that very special way the Revelators use the term comprehend (and it's inverse: incomprehensible).

 

 

But we can get a certain kind of basic mental gist for successfully thinking about (and accurately discussing) various topics within the universe frame, such that they colloquially "make sense".

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Then the question becomes: As we are on an endless quest to comprehend infinity/eternity - God the Father I AM - and we will never fully comprehend either, who in your imagination can?

Possibly God the Supreme - when fully realized - and complete, the experiental Trinity?

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Who can?

 

Well ... God can!

And does!

 

That's it.

 

Everyone else is going to be engaging the endless adventure to do so - but always having more to comprehend and (to me) more to experience.

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Nelson - some text on our joint destiny with The Supreme. I think that our Finaliter adventure will be a completely unique "experience" for us and God. The Father descends to experience the ascension of we created ones unto the cocreated fusion of two into the potential of one. But that creative and experiential process results in the completed experiential Supreme which will be the face/hand/voice of God to come in cocreation experience with the Corps of Finality in that time to come and in that place now being prepared for that experiential adventure to come. So, Father has also embarked on an eternal experiential destiny of His own through this process in play here in this time and space place. There is text speculation as to who all might journey out in this mighty host or in service to us once the superuniverses are settled in L&L. God has a complex and interesting relationship with Himself as well as all others. I am blessed to have others here who can diagram these complexities as I am unable to fathom the differentiations of the I Am.

 

(1239.4) 112:7.15 The present known destiny of surviving mortals is the Paradise Corps of the Finality; this is also the goal of destiny for all Thought Adjusters who become joined in eternal union with their mortal companions. At present the Paradise finaliters are working throughout the grand universe in many undertakings, but we all conjecture that they will have other and even more supernal tasks to perform in the distant future after the seven superuniverses have become settled in light and life, and when the finite God has finally emerged from the mystery which now surrounds this Supreme Deity.

 

(1239.5) 112:7.16 You have been instructed to a certain extent about the organization and personnel of the central universe, the superuniverses, and the local universes; you have been told something about the character and origin of some of the various personalities who now rule these far-flung creations. You have also been informed that there are in process of organization vast galaxies of universes far out beyond the periphery of the grand universe, in the first outer space level. It has also been intimated in the course of these narratives that the Supreme Being is to disclose his unrevealed tertiary function in these now uncharted regions of outer space; and you have also been told that the finaliters of the Paradise corps are the experiential children of the Supreme.

 

(1239.6) 112:7.17 We believe that the mortals of Adjuster fusion, together with their finaliter associates, are destined to function in some manner in the administration of the universes of the first outer space level. We have not the slightest doubt that in due time these enormous galaxies will become inhabited universes. And we are equally convinced that among the administrators thereof will be found the Paradise finaliters whose natures are the cosmic consequence of the blending of creature and Creator.

 

(1239.7) 112:7.18 What an adventure! What a romance! A gigantic creation to be administered by the children of the Supreme, these personalized and humanized Adjusters, these Adjusterized and eternalized mortals, these mysterious combinations and eternal associations of the highest known manifestation of the essence of the First Source and Center and the lowest form of intelligent life capable of comprehending and attaining the Universal Father. We conceive that such amalgamated beings, such partnerships of Creator and creature, will become superb rulers, matchless administrators, and understanding and sympathetic directors of any and all forms of intelligent life which may come into existence throughout these future universes of the first outer space level.

 

(1240.1) 112:7.19 True it is, you mortals are of earthly, animal origin; your frame is indeed dust. But if you actually will, if you really desire, surely the heritage of the ages is yours, and you shall someday serve throughout the universes in your true characters — children of the Supreme God of experience and divine sons of the Paradise Father of all personalities.

 

 

From the sons of Father to the children of the Supreme. I think that's a promotion? :wacko: <_< :ph34r:

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The way the UB uses the word comprehend is very different than how I (and nearly everyone I know) uses that term. The implication with how the UB repeatedly talks about us being unable to comprehend various things, beings, situations, and processes seems to me to be about something more than merely mentally grasping explanations for, and getting the gist of, how stuff works. Instead, the way the Revelators use the word comprehend implies some kind of epic encapsulation for a topic that only can be achieved from using a vantage native to beings of specific cosmic levels relevant for a topic.

 

i.e. that which is eternal is that which has neither start (beginning) nor finish (ending). In my everyday use of this language, accepting that definition right there is enough for accurately saying that I comprehend what eternal-eternity-eternality is - (that which eternal-eternity-eternality means). But such everyday use of that term is not what the Revelators seem to me to mean when they use the word. They seem to me to mean grokking (epically encapsulating on a relevant level of being) eternal-eternity-eternality - which only really can be accomplished by eternal beings!

 

So I basically have all but completely stopped using the term comprehend when talking about certain UB teachings, given that what I mean by the word is so different than what the Revelators mean by the term.

 

 

In light of that, my answer to your question, Nelson is exactly what Bonita just pointed out: God, The I AM, (and associated issues like infinity and eternality) is always going to remain incomprehensible - according to that very special way the Revelators use the term comprehend (and it's inverse: incomprehensible).

 

But we can get a certain kind of basic mental gist for successfully thinking about (and accurately discussing) various topics within the universe frame, such that they colloquially "make sense".

 

 

True, the word comprehend. has a deeper meaning in the UB. not as commonly used.I use it from that perspective. It would be something like as of a small branch that we put into the land. born a new plant...

 

Comprehend is, for example, take a teaching and then, ensure that penetrate our mind until identify with it, until it hits deeper levels of consciousness compared to what we had before.

 

Greetings,

 

Alina

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Hello to all!

 

I think this quote helps us a lot. :)

 

 

(62.1) 5:0.1 IF THE finite mind of man is unable to comprehend how so great and so majestic a God as the Universal Father can descend from his eternal abode in infinite perfection to fraternize with the individual human creature, then must such a finite intellect rest assurance of divine fellowship upon the truth of the fact that an actual fragment of the living God resides within the intellect of every normal-minded and morally conscious Urantia mortal. The indwelling Thought Adjusters are a part of the eternal Deity of the Paradise Father. Man does not have to go farther than his own inner experience of the soul’s contemplation of this spiritual-reality presence to find God and attempt communion with him.

 

 

LOVE

 

Alina

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Then the question becomes: As we are on an endless quest to comprehend infinity/eternity - God the Father I AM - and we will never fully comprehend either, who in your imagination can?

 

The Adjuster.

 

110:7.4 But on each universe level the Adjuster can endow the new creature only with those attributes which are meaningful and of value on that level. An absolute oneness with the divine Monitor, a complete exhaustion of the endowment of an Adjuster, can only be achieved in eternity subsequent to the final attainment of the Universal Father, the Father of spirits, ever the source of these divine gifts.

 

118:2.2 As mortal and morontia ascenders you progressively discern God through the ministry of God the Sevenfold. Through Havona you discover God the Supreme. On Paradise you find him as a person, and then as finaliters you will presently attempt to know him as Ultimate. Being finaliters, there would seem to be but one course to pursue after having attained the Ultimate, and that would be to begin the quest of the Absolute. No finaliter will be disturbed by the uncertainties of the attainment of the Deity Absolute since at the end of the supreme and ultimate ascensions he encountered God the Father. Such finaliters will no doubt believe that, even if they should be successful in finding God the Absolute, they would only be discovering the same God, the Paradise Father manifesting himself on more nearly infinite and universal levels. Undoubtedly the attainment of God in absolute would reveal the Primal Ancestor of universes as well as the Final Father of personalities.

 

And, it's not a matter of comprehension; it's a matter of attainment experience.

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