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If without holiness, men will not see God, what is holiness, how do we attain it, and what relationship does the Urantia Book have to holiness? It might seem like I am just being a bother and I am sorry for that but holiness must be pretty darn important if we cannot see God without it.

 

Howard, without experience with evil you wouldn't recognize holiness, which is why I'm talking about it. We progress as we learn to discern the difference and make choices accordingly. You can't be holy without a soul. You can't have a soul unless you make choices. What are the choices? Choices between evil and other-than-evil. The book doesn't give you any opportunity for choices unless you think reading or not reading is a supreme choice contributing to soul growth. It's pretty darn basic. No magic words, no mysterious knowledge to figure out, no supernatural phenomena occur from reading a book. No, that's not the way. You have to live sincerely, stay honest and trusting, have faith in God's goodness and make choices . . . . lots and lots and lots of them because many of them will be wrong.

 

118:6.6 In the mortal life, paths of differential conduct are continually opening and closing, and during the times when choice is possible the human personality is constantly deciding between these many courses of action. Temporal volition is linked to time, and it must await the passing of time to find opportunity for expression. Spiritual volition has begun to taste liberation from the fetters of time, having achieved partial escape from time sequence, and that is because spiritual volition is self-identifying with the will of God.

 

39:4.14 The keys of the kingdom of heaven are: sincerity, more sincerity, and more sincerity. All men have these keys. Men use them - advance in spirit status - by decisions, by more decisions, and by more decisions. The highest moral choice is the choice of the highest possible value, and always - in any sphere, in all of them - this is to choose to do the will of God. If man thus chooses, he is great, though he be the humblest citizen of Jerusem or even the least of mortals on Urantia.

 

There already is a thread somewhere on righteousness. Don't remember where or what's in it though.

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Friend Howard - I think the group think has well spoken on the issue of holy and sacred. The Revelation is "sacred"....to me, as a text of revealed truth to all...but is the book a "sacred book"? would have to remain - no. What is sacred is the discovery of truth, beauty, and goodness....whatever their source.....and to be changed by our experience of those. Love is sacred and truth and beauty and goodness - all. It is the becoming that is sacred and not the path upon which we progressively become...one with Father.

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I don't believe people are evil.

 

Yea I wouldn't think people are the personification of evil. When Jesus says he views men as weak and distraught. Weak and distraught Imo is evil. Not that we are doing anything bad though.

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I don't believe people are evil. Most people are fundamentally good, tho they may and will do evil, and worse. To say people are evil is to say they are unreal, isn't it? We have a Fragment of Reality, and a soul, both are real.

 

Yes, that's why I said to remember that we are dual nature beings. The personality chooses which nature to identify with. That's the evolution of dominance. And according to those choices we either move from imperfection to perfection, from evil to godlikeness, or we go back to the finite dust from which we came.

 

 

34:6.9 In every mortal there exists a dual nature: the inheritance of animal tendencies and the high urge of spirit endowment. During the short life you live on Urantia, these two diverse and opposing urges can seldom be fully reconciled; they can hardly be harmonized and unified; but throughout your lifetime the combined Spirit ever ministers to assist you in subjecting the flesh more and more to the leading of the Spirit. Even though you must live your material life through, even though you cannot escape the body and its necessities, nonetheless, in purpose and ideals you are empowered increasingly to subject the animal nature to the mastery of the Spirit. There truly exists within you a conspiracy of spiritual forces, a confederation of divine powers, whose exclusive purpose is to effect your final deliverance from material bondage and finite handicaps.

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Friend Howard, allow me to elaborate....the Urantia Book was not a sacred text to me when first it found me. But with every truth and change in mind over the years and readings and changes in choosing by expanding intent, discernment between superior and inferior, and act according to the truths discovered, the book has "become" sacred "to me". By this standard nothing is sacred according to any others but only becomes sacred for the one inspired and changed by that theycome to hold as sacred....and yet it remains true that it is the transcendence that is sacred and not the device or vehicle for the transcendence.

 

The relative value of the Revelation is extraordinary when it comes to truth, beauty, and goodness. But of what value has it except for the transcendence opportunities it provides to the pilgrim who reads it and comes to believe, over time, one confirmed truth after another?

 

While the Revelation is held sacred by me, it is also paradoxical to me as I also view it as simple truth....a textbook of knowledge widely available throughout the universes of time and space, a mere primer on the totality yet to be revealed by further text books and "professors" of truth, beauty, and goodness in the ages to come. It is just a text book Howard, until it becomes something far more. I hope you come to find a sacred experience by this and many other means and examples of His truth, beauty, and goodness. The sacred is all around us all the time if we but discern it.

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Let's be clear about one thing. Jesus said that scriptures are sacred only because they are a record of the highest hopes, thoughts and acts of men striving to find God and be like him. TUB is not written by striving humans. It is not a record of man's highest aspirations and struggles, although it contains some stories about those men and women, it is not written by those men and women bleeding out their hearts and sharing them with the world.

 

159:4.4 Scriptures are sacred because they present the thoughts and acts of men who were searching for God, and who in these writings left on record their highest concepts of righteousness, truth, and holiness. The Scriptures contain much that is true, very much, but in the light of your present teaching, you know that these writings also contain much that is misrepresentative of the Father in heaven, the loving God I have come to reveal to all the worlds.

 

What we consider to be sacred changes. At one time it was considered sacred to have sex in the temple as a form of worship. Even holiness is evolutionary. True righteousness is the natural spirit-born fruit of living in the presence of God. It has nothing at all to do with scriptures, books, relics, temples, rituals, following religious laws or other types of religious practices. That which is sacred, holy and righteous has to do with men and women living according to their highest and truest convictions, always striving for even higher meanings and values.

 

155:3.5 One of the great lessons of this sojourn at Caesarea had to do with the origin of religious traditions, with the grave danger of allowing a sense of sacredness to become attached to nonsacred things, common ideas, or everyday events. From one conference they emerged with the teaching that true religion was man's heartfelt loyalty to his highest and truest convictions.

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No, but they say we are imperfect, immature and ignorant which is the same thing. They also say that evil is inherent in the natural order of this world, which we are part of. But you forget that we are of a dual nature. Not all of our nature is imperfect. We're both.

 

2:2.7 Human limitations, potential evil, are not a part of the divine nature, but mortal experience with evil and all man’s relations thereto are most certainly a part of God’s ever-expanding self-realization in the children of time — creatures of moral responsibility who have been created or evolved by every Creator Son going out from Paradise.

 

Every single one of us has limitations, we're all unfinished, which makes all of us potentially evil.

 

 

When I have the opportunity to make a painting, or take a beautiful picture I always think of the possibility of beauty (I call perfection) over whether or not I "imperfect." If I stay with this idea of ​​imperfection even anything I can do, for more simple will be, would have many errors, It would really ugly and it would be anything but pleasant.

 

The idea is always from the base of the positive ... Positive! ... As Life itself as well!

 

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There is beauty in the actuality… We are sons and daughters of God!

 

The Beauty is inside us… “God within us” as the Bible says... As Jesus says!. It’s a wonderful and eternal reality.

 

My question is... Is potential more than Actuality?. Or why sometimes we focus only in a potential more than Actuality?

 

I thought everything is important. Not only potentiality, but also do not forget.... Actuality.

 

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Let's be clear about one thing. Jesus said that scriptures are sacred only because they are a record of the highest hopes, thoughts and acts of men striving to find God and be like him. TUB is not written by striving humans. It is not a record of man's highest aspirations and struggles, although it contains some stories about those men and women, it is not written by those men and women bleeding out their hearts and sharing them with the world.

 

What is the difference of who wrote it if the contents are about a people striving for holiness and about how to attain holiness?

 

That which is sacred, holy and righteous has to do with men and women living according to their highest and truest convictions, always striving for even higher meanings and values.

 

Is the Urantia Book a better guide for that than just any random book in the new age section of a bookstore?

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ONLY GOD IS HOLY

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ONLY GOD IS HOLY

(1104.6) 101:1.3 The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of the highest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind. But the mind that really discerns God, hears the indwelling Adjuster, is the pure mind. “Without holiness no man may see the Lord.” All such inner and spiritual communion is termed spiritual insight. Such religious experiences result from the impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God.

 

If without holiness, men will not see God, what is holiness, how do we attain it, and what relationship does the Urantia Book have to holiness?

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With regard to what's considered holy and sacred, another factor is the difference between the motivations aroused by the adjutant of worship and the choices grasped by a growing soul.

 

Look at a crowd, frenzied by their shared feeling that their [insert sacred thing here] has been [insert offense taken here]. Sure, such mutual righteous indignation may be great glue for cultural bonding, but it is hardly lovely. Let alone spiritual.

 

Nigel

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“Chanting is no more holy than listening to the murmur of a stream,

 

counting prayer beads no more scared than simply breathing,

 

religious robes no more spiritual than work clothes.”

 

Lao Tzu

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Is the Urantia Book a better guide for that than just any random book in the new age section of a bookstore?

 

The guide is God who writes in the book of your heart.

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Is the Urantia Book a better guide for that than just any random book in the new age section of a bookstore?

 

lol look at the author and think which one probably has a better idea of god? There is even an author in the u.b that has actually stood in the presence of the Universal Father....He may know a thing or two.....Than again what would a guy like that have on Deepak Chopra? LOL

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Brother Bill says above:

 

Posted 20 January 2013 - 07:50 PM

 

ONLY GOD IS HOLY

 

Me here: This is the only conclusion I can reach as well. In the Revelation, a word search of "holy" brings up 16 pages of references. In most, the uncapped "holy" refers to that which mortals have self determined to be "holy", including the early primitives who began the determinations of history of the things and the people that are holy while Holy (capped) is only used to describe the Mother or Holy Spirit. This is telling to me as I am of the mind that only those and that infused with Father and/or Mother and/or Son can be truly Holy in any universe sense of the word.

 

Friend Howard posted the quote: " (1104.6) 101:1.3 The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of the highest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind. But the mind that really discerns God, hears the indwelling Adjuster, is the pure mind. “Without holiness no man may see the Lord.” All such inner and spiritual communion is termed spiritual insight. Such religious experiences result from the impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God."

 

If holiness is derived from holy, then this too is saying that the mind/soul which knows God and His Holiness, then may man see the Lord - the God fused mind can see God and no other....almost as if only God may see Himself. Our first viewing does not come until finaliter status is achieved which is the first time we are spiritized sufficiently to view Him.

 

I am convinced that no thing can ever be truly holy or Holy either one. That without God within it, it cannot be thus. Primitivism claims much to be holy in its search for the God that lives within the mind and spirit of those who ascribe such reality to inanimate objects - relics, fetishes, charms, hills, mountains, books, grails, burial clothes, splinters, etc. While Father is the creator of all, He is not found within all the materials of His creation but in all the beings, personalities, and minds of all the universes - in and out of time and space.

 

Until the text is read and the reader is changed thereby, there is nothing holy. When the holiness occurs within the mind of the seeker, then it is that experience which is holy and still not the text itself. Holiness is an experience within and never an object or it is a person of the trinity...the Holy one. A holy man/woman would then be, by this definition, one who knows God and acts thusly....not one who claims such or accepts such designation by others....like the priests for example. There are priests who may be holy but not because they or any other mortal says so. God defines holy. And as Brother Bill says,

 

ONLY GOD IS HOLY

Edited by Bradly aka/fanofVan

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Isnt The Isle of Paradise A HOLY Place ?

 

'' the Most Holy Sphere, and the Holy Area.''

 

'' the Most Holy Sphere of Paradise.''

 

'' the Holy Land sectors ''

 

 

11:3.1 On upper Paradise there are three grand spheres of activity, the Deity presence, the Most Holy Sphere, and the Holy Area. The vast region immediately surrounding the presence of the Deities is set aside as the Most Holy Sphere and is reserved for the functions of worship, trinitization, and high spiritual attainment. There are no material structures nor purely intellectual creations in this zone; they could not exist there. It is useless for me to undertake to portray to the human mind the divine nature and the beauteous grandeur of the Most Holy Sphere of Paradise. This realm is wholly spiritual, and you are almost wholly material. A purely spiritual reality is, to a purely material being, apparently nonexistent.

 

 

11:3.2 While there are no physical materializations in the area of the Most Holy, there are abundant souvenirs of your material days in the Holy Land sectors and still more in the reminiscent historic areas of peripheral Paradise.

 

 

11:3.3 The Holy Area, the outlying or residential region, is divided into seven concentric zones. Paradise is sometimes called “the Father’s House” since it is his eternal residence, and these seven zones are often designated “the Father’s Paradise mansions.” The inner or first zone is occupied by Paradise Citizens and the natives of Havona who may chance to be dwelling on Paradise. The next or second zone is the residential area of the natives of the seven superuniverses of time and space. This second zone is in part subdivided into seven immense divisions, the Paradise home of the spirit beings and ascendant creatures who hail from the universes of evolutionary progression. Each of these sectors is exclusively dedicated to the welfare and advancement of the personalities of a single superuniverse, but these facilities are almost infinitely beyond the requirements of the present seven superuniverses.

 

 

11:3.4 Each of the seven sectors of Paradise is subdivided into residential units suitable for the lodgment headquarters of one billion glorified individual working groups. One thousand of these units constitute a division. One hundred thousand divisions equal one congregation. Ten million congregations constitute an assembly. One billion assemblies make one grand unit. And this ascending series continues through the second grand unit, the third, and so on to the seventh grand unit. And seven of the grand units make up the master units, and seven of the master units constitute a superior unit; and thus by sevens the ascending series expands through the superior, supersuperior, celestial, supercelestial, to the supreme units. But even this does not utilize all the space available. This staggering number of residential designations on Paradise, a number beyond your concept, occupies considerably less than one per cent of the assigned area of the Holy Land. There is still plenty of room for those who are on their way inward, even for those who shall not start the Paradise climb until the times of the eternal future.

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The "whole" or holy is also related to God the Mother who is our other parent. :). She is the individuality of the whole.

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Good one Coop! I thought this would come up. I was not clear about "thing" for sure. Meant material "things" but I wasn't so clear, eh? Yes, I read those and it makes you wonder if it is the spirit nature of the location or if the Mother infuses those places?

 

11:3.2 While there are no physical materializations in the area of the Most Holy, there are abundant souvenirs of your material days in the Holy Land sectors and still more in the reminiscent historic areas of peripheral Paradise.

 

 

"souvenirs" ???????

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Isn't holiness synonymous with righteousness? At least it is in my dictionary. TUB has plenty to say about righteousness. Howard asked how to attain holiness which is the same question as how do we attain righteousness, and TUB tells us exactly how to do that. It's very simple. We become holy or attain righteousness by sonship, by doing the will of God. There is no other way. It's not doing the will of the book, it's doing the will of God. You can't find the will of God in the book. You can only find the will of God by finding your soul and allowing the Spirit of Truth to walk with it while attuning your personality to your Thought Adjuster's exquisite call toward holiness and perfection. A righteous life is a life dedicated to doing the Father's will, a live of devotion to the loyalty of love.

 

137:8.13 The kingdom of heaven is not a matter of meat and drink but rather a life of progressive righteousness and increasing joy in the perfecting service of my Father who is in heaven.

 

140:6.3 I demand of you a righteousness that shall exceed the righteousness of those who seek to obtain the Father’s favor by almsgiving, prayer, and fasting. If you would enter the kingdom, you must have a righteousness that consists in love, mercy, and truth — the sincere desire to do the will of my Father in heaven.

 

150:5.5 Salvation is the gift of God, and righteousness is the natural fruit of the spirit-born life of sonship in the kingdom. You are not to be saved because you live a righteous life; rather is it that you live a righteous life because you have already been saved, have recognized sonship as the gift of God and service in the kingdom as the supreme delight of life on earth.

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Interesting topic but would like to balance things out in some ways. While I remain unconvinced that there actually are material things that are holy (in a universal sense), I believe any who seek Father and spirit and put faith into such a desire by holding objects sacred or holy, are making a minor error only and such objectification is hardly important to any in the universe when the struggling mortal thusly believes. This is hardly devil worship or athiesm or human sacrifice, but simply an immature and primitive expression of faith in that which is greater by the lesser seeking the greater. Such immaturity is probably considered "quaint" by the Reversionists who will guide us all beyond the many misconceptions we all bring in one form or another to our progressive adventure.

 

Just wanted to be sure no one is reading any judgement or superiority in my posts on this topic....for I remain blinded enough by the timbers in my eye and still choke on the camels I too swallow, if different ones, eh? Bless all who seek Father, wherever they seek or find Him, for all who so seek will find Him. Just maybe not where they thought.

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This Statement ... '' there are abundant souvenirs of your material days ''

Also Has Me Curious and Perplexed .

 

Anyone Have Any Ideas About What Is Meant By ... '' abundant souvenirs '' ?

 

'' there are abundant souvenirs of your material days in the Holy Land sectors

and still more in the reminiscent historic areas of peripheral Paradise. ''

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I would say that the more God you have in you the Holier you are...

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I would say that the more God you have in you the Holier you are...

 

Don't we all have the same amount of God in us, since he's no respecter of persons? That means we're all holy. Maybe the more qualities of God you have in your character, the holier you are, but who could judge? And they are:

  • Loving service
  • Unselfish devotion
  • Courageous loyalty
  • Sincere fairness
  • Enlightened honesty
  • Confiding trust
  • Merciful ministry
  • Unfailing goodness
  • Forgiving tolerance
  • Enduring peace
  • Love
  • Joy
  • Long suffering
  • Gentleness
  • Faith
  • Meekness
  • Temperance

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