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This may be a silly question, but does the supreme being at this moment have her own personality derived from total diety? Or is she not yet personalized?

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56:6.2 God the Supreme as a person existed in Havona before the creation of the seven superuniverses, but he functioned only on spiritual levels.

 

115:5.1 The Supreme Being is absolutely dependent on the existence and action of the Paradise Trinity for the reality of his personal and spirit nature. While the growth of the Supreme is a matter of triodity relationship, the spirit personality of God the Supreme is dependent upon, and is derived from, the Paradise Trinity, which ever remains as the absolute center-source of perfect and infinite stability around which the evolutionary growth of the Supreme progressively unfolds.

 

116:0.5 The Supreme Being functions primarily in the central universe as a spirit personality; secondarily in the grand universe as God the Almighty, a personality of power. The tertiary function of the Supreme in the master universe is now latent, existing only as an unknown mind potential. No one knows just what this third development of the Supreme Being will disclose. Some believe that, when the superuniverses are settled in light and life, the Supreme will become functional from Uversa as the almighty and experiential sovereign of the grand universe while expanding in power as the superalmighty of the outer universes. Others speculate that the third stage of Supremacy will involve the third level of Deity manifestation. But none of us really know.

 

10:5.4 The Trinity is not a person, nor is the Supreme Being an exclusive personalization of the Trinity, but the Supreme is the nearest approach to a power-personality focalization of the Trinity which can be comprehended by finite creatures. Hence the Trinity in relation to the finite is sometimes spoken of as the Trinity of Supremacy.

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the spirit personality of God the Supreme is dependent upon, and is derived from, the Paradise Trinity

 

So he or she has a personality derived from the Trinity. Okay check that....

 

The Supreme appears to be the closest being to a personality of all 3 beings of the Trinity that exists.......What a unique person the Supreme must be! lol.

nor is the Supreme Being an exclusive personalization of the Trinity, but the Supreme is the nearest approach to a power-personality focalization of the Trinity which can be comprehended by finite creatures.

 

What is also interesting is that the u.b mentions that humans can actually be aware of the Supreme Being, (perhaps threw reflectivity).

 

 

Hence the Trinity in relation to the finite is sometimes spoken of as the Trinity of Supremacy.

 

This statement seems incredibly profound!!!. The Trinity acting together towards the finite is the supreme being?! I wonder how does the Supreme Being reacts to god? It would seem that they become one as the Almighty Supreme? Yet he or she appears to evolve as a result of the sum of finite reality. I wonder just how important consciousness of the Supreme being is... Or even just acknowledging her or him threw reflectivity?

 

If the Supreme is the totality of finite reality, would we not need her or him in some way to actually be in harmony with our finite reality? His/Her personality derived from total diety intreagues me, it seems like this being is so important to us. I just cannot yet put my finger on just how he/she relates to everything else haha. I do know that he/she will be ruler of the Grand Universe once it is settled in light and life. I know that he/she povides the literal womb in which we all take our origin. So I wonder if this makes her our mother in some way shape or form?

1289.1) 117:6.8 All soul-evolving humans are literally the evolutionary sons of God the Father and God the Mother, the Supreme Being.

It would appear so...I have spent practically no time even acknowledging the Supreme Being, threwout my entire readership. I wonder what I am missing out on.... She seems very important...almost like she is my mom..hahah.

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Boom - remember the part about the gift we can give of our free will...that when our will is God's will, we execute a gift? The gift of free will allows us to become, to transcend the reality of now into the potential within that other little gift....nearly endless time in which to sequentially experience our free will and "become" our potential? The true recipient of the ascender's "gift" is the Supreme. The Father receives our worship and adoration but the Supreme is enlarged in His "becoming" by the gift of our will. It makes such wonderful sense and demonstrates the harmonic effect of two notes creating a third. The third is a cocreation in a way between the creator and the created (collectively and over time). Every will choice we make that is "in tune" becomes a note by an instrument within the orchestra of 7 trillion worlds of ascenders....and every note we hit that rings true adds to the song sung by the Supreme. That's my (mis)interpretation anyway. Peace.

 

 

Paper 117

 

God the Supreme

 

 

 

(1278.1) TO THE extent that we do the will of God in whatever universe station we may have our existence, in that measure the almighty potential of the Supreme becomes one step more actual. The will of God is the purpose of the First Source and Center as it is potentialized in the three Absolutes, personalized in the Eternal Son, conjoined for universe action in the Infinite Spirit, and eternalized in the everlasting patterns of Paradise. And God the Supreme is becoming the highest finite manifestation of the total will of God.

 

(1278.2) If all grand universers should ever relatively achieve the full living of the will of God, then would the time-space creations be settled in light and life, and then would the Almighty, the deity potential of Supremacy, become factual in the emergence of the divine personality of God the Supreme.

 

(1278.3) When an evolving mind becomes attuned to the circuits of cosmic mind, when an evolving universe becomes stabilized after the pattern of the central universe, when an advancing spirit contacts the united ministry of the Master Spirits, when an ascending mortal personality finally attunes to the divine leading of the indwelling Adjuster, then has the actuality of the Supreme become real by one more degree in the universes; then has the divinity of Supremacy advanced one more step toward cosmic realization.

 

(1278.4) The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

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1. Nature of the Supreme Being

 

 

(1278.5) The Supreme is the beauty of physical harmony, the truth of intellectual meaning, and the goodness of spiritual value. He is the sweetness of true success and the joy of everlasting achievement. He is the oversoul of the grand universe, the consciousness of the finite cosmos, the completion of finite reality, and the personification of Creator-creature experience. Throughout all future eternity God the Supreme will voice the reality of volitional experience in the trinity relationships of Deity.

 

(1278.6) In the persons of the Supreme Creators the Gods have descended from Paradise to the domains of time and space, there to create and to evolve creatures with Paradise-attainment capacity who can ascend thereto in quest of the Father. This universe procession of descending God-revealing Creators and ascending God-seeking creatures is revelatory of the Deity evolution of the Supreme, in whom both descenders and ascenders achieve mutuality of understanding, the discovery of eternal and universal brotherhood. The Supreme Being thus becomes the finite synthesis of the experience of the perfect-Creator cause and the perfecting-creature response.

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117:1.5 In the Supreme Being, Creator and creature are united in one Deity whose will is expressive of one divine personality And this will of the Supreme is something more than the will of either creature or Creator, even as the sovereign will of the Master Son of Nebadon is now something more than a combination of the will of divinity and humanity. The union of Paradise perfection and time-space experience yields a new meaning value on deity levels of reality.

 

Our sovereign, Master Son Michael is a perfect revelation of the reality of the Supreme.

 

101:6.5 After his ascension Michael became master of the experience of Supremacy, the realization of the Supreme; and being the one person in Nebadon possessed of unlimited capacity to experience the reality of the Supreme, he forthwith attained to the status of the sovereignty of supremacy in and to his local universe.

 

33:2.4 This subordination of the Divine Ministers to the Creator Sons of the local universes constitutes these Master Sons the personal repositories of the finitely manifestable divinity of the Father, Son, and Spirit, while the creature-bestowal experiences of the Michaels qualify them to portray the experiential divinity of the Supreme Being. No other beings in the universes have thus personally exhausted the potentials of present finite experience, and no other beings in the universes possess such qualifications for solitary sovereignty.

 

119.8.3 In completing his creature bestowals, Michael was not only establishing his own sovereignty but also was augmenting the evolving sovereignty of God the Supreme. In the course of these bestowals the Creator Son not only engaged in a descending exploration of the various natures of creature personality, but he also achieved the revelation of the variously diversified wills of the Paradise Deities, whose synthetic unity, as revealed by the Supreme Creators, is revelatory of the will of the Supreme Being.

 

And it is Michael's revelation of the reality of the Supreme which is synonymous with The Way.

 

117.3.4 Your Creator Son can actually be such a living channel from humanity to divinity since he has personally experienced the fullness of the traversal of this universe path of progression, from the true humanity of Joshua ben Joseph, the Son of Man, to the Paradise divinity of Michael of Nebadon, the Son of the infinite God. Similarly can the Supreme Being function as the universe approach to the transcendence of finite limitations, for he is the actual embodiment and personal epitome of all creature evolution, progression, and spiritualization. Even the grand universe experiences of the descending personalities from Paradise are that part of his experience which is complemental to his summation of the ascending experiences of the pilgrims of time.

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Thanks guys,help appreciated. It is interesting that they call the supreme being our god mother, yet it seems that when she functions as the Almighty she becomes a he. It also seems that the supreme being is experienced threw reflectivity. Obviously our local mother and michael can reveal her to us as well. I wonder if finite creation goes on forever does that mean she can potentially experience growth forever? It sounds like she is completed as ruler once light and life is attained. Also I wonder just how powerfull she is and will become.

 

It seems that she is supremacy. I suppose that is why she is a god in her own sense. Seems like maybe in order to do gods will and enact it in finite reality we will need to have some serious connection to her.

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It also seems that the supreme being is experienced threw reflectivity.

 

Where are you getting this information from? The Supreme is experienced by circle conquest not reflectivity. Humans don't have access to reflectivity, as far as I know. Or are you using that word differently than I am????

 

110:6.16 Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels—actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being. And it is this very relationship that makes it forever impossible fully to explain the significance of the cosmic circles to the material mind. These circle attainments are only relatively related to God-consciousness. A seventh or sixth circler can be almost as truly God-knowing—sonship conscious—as a second or first circler, but such lower circle beings are far less conscious of experiential relation to the Supreme Being, universe citizenship. The attainment of these cosmic circles will become a part of the ascenders’ experience on the mansion worlds if they fail of such achievement before natural death.

 

I wonder if finite creation goes on forever does that mean she can potentially experience growth forever? It sounds like she is completed as ruler once light and life is attained. Also I wonder just how powerfull she is and will become.

 

The Supreme Being is potential experiential GOD who is evolving through power-personality synthesis and will not finish evolution until every single experiential personality realizes him simultaneously. It will be ONE simultaneous and magnificent event.

 

0:7.10 All time-space finite reality, under the directive urge of the evolving Supreme Being, is engaged in an ever-ascending mobilization and perfecting unification (power-personality synthesis) of all phases and values of finite reality, in association with varied phases of Paradise reality, to the end and for the purpose of subsequently embarking upon the attempt to reach absonite levels of supercreature attainment.

 

14:6.23 4. The Supreme Being — the evolutionary unification of experiential Deity. The Havona creation is the eternal and perfect proof of the spiritual reality of the Supreme Being. This perfect creation is a revelation of the perfect and symmetrical spirit nature of God the Supreme before the beginnings of the power-personality synthesis of the finite reflections of the Paradise Deities in the experiential universes of time and space.

 

Also, the God the Supreme is neither Mother God or Father God; God the Supreme is BOTH God the Father AND God the Mother, both existential and experiential, in perfect synchronization. Mother God is simply a synonym for experiential God, while Father God is existential. Since experience is incomplete, the Supreme Being is referred to as the mother aspect of experience because which is still evolving.

 

117:6.6 In and through the experience of finaliter attainment the experiential mother qualities of the ascending self become tremendously affected by contact and infusion with the spirit presence of the Eternal Son and the mind presence of the Infinite Spirit. Then, throughout the realms of finaliter activity in the grand universe, there appears a new awakening of the latent mother potential of the Supreme, a new realization of experiential meanings, and a new synthesis of experiential values of the entire ascension career. It appears that this realization of self will continue in the universe careers of the sixth-stage finaliters until the mother inheritance of the Supreme attains to finite synchrony with the Adjuster inheritance of the Father. This intriguing period of grand universe function represents the continuing adult career of the ascendant and perfected mortal.

 

117.6.16 It is not only man’s own limitations which prevent him from finding the finite God; it is also the incompletion of the universe; even the incompletion of all creatures — past, present, and future — makes the Supreme inaccessible. God the Father can be found by any individual who has attained the divine level of Godlikeness, but God the Supreme will never be personally discovered by any one creature until that far-distant time when, through the universal attainment of perfection, all creatures will simultaneously find him.

 

What happens after the simultaneous realization of God the Supreme by all creation? We go on to actualize the potential of God the Ultimate.

 

0:2.17 6. God the Ultimate — the eventuating God of supertime and transcended space. The second experiential level of unifying Deity manifestation. God the Ultimate implies the attained realization of the synthesized absonite-superpersonal, time-space-transcended, and eventuated-experiential values, co-ordinated on final creative levels of Deity reality.

 

0:9.2 God the Ultimate is designative of personal Deity functioning on the divinity levels of the absonite and on the universe spheres of supertime and transcended space. The Ultimate is a supersupreme eventuation of Deity. The Supreme is the Trinity unification comprehended by finite beings; the Ultimate is the unification of the Paradise Trinity comprehended by absonite beings.

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Sorry about the length....couldn't find anything to leave out of this:

 

 

 

(353.7) We venture the forecast of future and greater outer universes of inhabited worlds, new spheres peopled with new orders of exquisite and unique beings, a material universe sublime in its ultimacy, a vast creation lacking in only one important detail — the presence of actual finite experience in the universal life of ascendant existence. Such a universe will come into being under a tremendous experiential handicap: the deprivation of participation in the evolution of the Almighty Supreme. These outer universes will all enjoy the matchless ministry and supernal overcontrol of the Supreme Being, but the very fact of his active presence precludes their participation in the actualization of the Supreme Deity.

 

(353.8) During the present universe age the evolving personalities of the grand universe suffer many difficulties due to the incomplete actualization of the sovereignty of God the Supreme, but we are all sharing the unique experience of his evolution. We evolve in him and he evolves in us. Sometime in the eternal future the evolution of Supreme Deity will become a completed fact of universe history, and the opportunity to participate in this wonderful experience will have passed from the stage of cosmic action.

 

(353.9) But those of us who have acquired this unique experience during the youth of the universe will treasure it throughout all future eternity. And many of us speculate that it may be the mission of the gradually accumulating reserves of the ascendant and perfected mortals of the Corps of the Finality, in association with the other six similarly recruiting corps, to administer these outer universes in an effort to compensate their experiential deficiencies in not having participated in the time-space evolution of the Supreme Being.

 

(353.10) These deficiencies are inevitable on all levels of universe existence. During the present universe age we of the higher levels of spiritual existences now come down to administer the evolutionary universes and minister to the ascending mortals, thus endeavoring to atone for their deficiencies in the realities of the higher spiritual experience.

 

(354.1) But though we really know nothing about the plans of the Architects of the Master Universe respecting these outer creations, nevertheless, of three things we are certain:

(354.2) 1. There actually is a vast and new system of universes gradually organizing in the domains of outer space. New orders of physical creations, enormous and gigantic circles of swarming universes upon universes far out beyond the present bounds of the peopled and organized creations, are actually visible through your telescopes. At present, these outer creations are wholly physical; they are apparently uninhabited and seem to be devoid of creature administration.

(354.3) 2. For ages upon ages there continues the unexplained and wholly mysterious Paradise mobilization of the perfected and ascendant beings of time and space, in association with the six other finaliter corps.

(354.4) 3. Concomitantly with these transactions the Supreme Person of Deity is powerizing as the almighty sovereign of the supercreations.

 

(354.5) As we view this triune development, embracing creatures, universes, and Deity, can we be criticized for anticipating that something new and unrevealed is approaching culmination in the master universe? Is it not natural that we should associate this agelong mobilization and organization of physical universes on such a hitherto unknown scale and the personality emergence of the Supreme Being with this stupendous scheme of upstepping the mortals of time to divine perfection and with their subsequent mobilization on Paradise in the Corps of the Finality — a designation and destiny enshrouded in universe mystery? It is increasingly the belief of all Uversa that the assembling Corps of the Finality are destined to some future service in the universes of outer space, where we already are able to identify the clustering of at least seventy thousand aggregations of matter, each of which is greater than any one of the present superuniverses.

 

(354.6) Evolutionary mortals are born on the planets of space, pass through the morontia worlds, ascend the spirit universes, traverse the Havona spheres, find God, attain Paradise, and are mustered into the primary Corps of the Finality, therein to await the next assignment of universe service. There are six other assembling finality corps, but Grandfanda, the first mortal ascender, presides as Paradise chief of all orders of finaliters. And as we view this sublime spectacle, we all exclaim: What a glorious destiny for the animal-origin children of time, the material sons of space!

 

 

 

And then there is this:

 

(636.6) None of us entertain a satisfactory concept of what will happen when the grand universe (the seven superuniverses as dependent on Havona) becomes entirely settled in light and life. That event will undoubtedly be the most profound occurrence in the annals of eternity since the appearance of the central universe. There are those who hold that the Supreme Being himself will emerge from the Havona mystery enshrouding his spirit person and will become residential on the headquarters of the seventh superuniverse as the almighty and experiential sovereign of the perfected creations of time and space. But we really do not know.

 

 

The Supreme has always been an important concept to me, for I always wondered what was I for? Really!! Why am I needed? How do or can little me contribute? The Supreme needs us, each and all, to acquire the experience of free will in time and space in partnership with the evolution and future mission of this new power and personality. I finally realized I am truly important to Him, not just for loyalty or worship...but for my unique experience of transcending the material creation into the great adventures still to come. What a thrilling dynamic to be a part of, eh? Peace.

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Does the Local mother spirit have any connection to the Supreme Being? So we do not discover the Supreme Being literally as a person, but perhaps her substance may be discoverable in this life. Bonita you also mentioned that Michael reveals the supreme. I just get the sense that some of this being is discoverable in this life, obviously just a part, but a small part of this being may equal a huge experience.

The fruits of the spirit are the substance of the Supreme as he is realizable in human experience.
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Does the Local mother spirit have any connection to the Supreme Being?

 

Okay, this can be complex so I'll try to dissect it a little at a time and also try to keep it very simple. We can always elaborate later. Let's begin from the source. The evolution of the Supreme Being is a sevenfold manifestation in each of the seven segments of the grand universe.

 

0:7.8 The Supreme Being is even now evolving as a subeternal personality unification of the sevenfold manifestation of Deity in the time-space segments of the grand universe.

 

0:8.9 This sevenfold Deity personalization in time and space and to the seven superuniverses enables mortal man to attain the presence of God, who is spirit. This sevenfold Deity, to finite time-space creatures sometime power-personalizing in the Supreme Being, is the functional Deity of the mortal evolutionary creatures of the Paradise-ascension career.

 

Each of the seven superuniverses is presided over by one of the seven Master Spirits.

 

13:4.6 The executive abodes of the Seven Master Spirits are, in reality, the Paradise headquarters of the seven superuniverses and their correlated segments in outer space. Each Master Spirit presides over one superuniverse, and each of these seven worlds is exclusively assigned to one of the Master Spirits. There is literally no phase of the sub-Paradise administration of the seven superuniverses which is not provided for on these executive worlds.

 

The origin of the Seven Master Spirits is the Infinite Spirit or Third Source and Center.

 

9:8.2 The first Deity-creating act of the Infinite Spirit, functioning apart from the Trinity but in some unrevealed association with the Father and the Son, personalized in the existence of the Seven Master Spirits of Paradise, the distributors of the Infinite Spirit to the universes.

 

The Seven Master Spirits distribute the Infinite Spirit to each of the seven superuniverses and takes part in the personalization of the local universe Mother Spirit, or Creative Spirit.

 

17:6.7 4. The Life-Creation Era. Upon the declaration of intention to create life by the Creator Son, there ensue on Paradise the “personalization ceremonies,” participated in by the Seven Master Spirits and personally experienced by the supervising Master Spirit. This is a Paradise Deity contribution to the individuality of the Spirit consort of the Creator Son and becomes manifest to the universe in the phenomenon of “the primary eruption” in the person of the Infinite Spirit. Simultaneously with this phenomenon on Paradise, the heretofore impersonal Spirit consort of the Creator Son becomes, to all practical intents and purposes, a bona fide person.

 

Our universe Mother Spirit provides a local manifestation of the cosmic mind which has its origin in the Seven Master Spirits.

 

56:2.3 This infinite and universal mind is ministered in the universes of time and space as the cosmic mind; and though extending from the primitive ministry of the adjutant spirits up to the magnificent mind of the chief executive of a universe, even this cosmic mind is adequately unified in the supervision of the Seven Master Spirits, who are in turn co-ordinated with the Supreme Mind of time and space and perfectly correlated with the all-embracing mind of the Infinite Spirit.

 

And here's something absolutely remarkable, exciting and stunningly incredible!! The Seventh Master Spirit is the source of the personal and spiritual nature of God the Supreme. The Seventh Master Spirit is also the Spirit for our superuniverse of Orvonton. And here's something even more miraculous. This same Seventh Master Spirit is personally responsible for the comprehension of the Supreme by ascension candidates. Combine that with the fact that our planet is an archangel headquarters, the home of our Sovereign and the outpost of the the seventh super universe headed by the Seventh Master Spirit who is the nature of the Supreme, Urantia is a very, very special place with certain promise.

 

16:3.15 The Seventh Master Spirit is not organically representative of the Paradise Trinity; but it is a known fact that his personal and spiritual nature is the Conjoint Actor’s portraiture in equal proportions of the three infinite persons whose Deity union is the Paradise Trinity, and whose function as such is the source of the personal and spiritual nature of God the Supreme.

 

16:3.20 This Master Spirit is always in liaison with the Reflective Spirits of Uversa, the headquarters of the seventh superuniverse, our own segment of creation. His administration of Orvonton discloses the marvelous symmetry of the co-ordinate blending of the divine natures of Father, Son, and Spirit.

 

16:3.18 It is Master Spirit Number Seven who, in his multiple capacities, personally sponsors the progress of the ascension candidates from the worlds of time in their attempts to achieve comprehension of the undivided Deity of Supremacy.

 

So we do not discover the Supreme Being literally as a person, but perhaps her substance may be discoverable in this life. Bonita you also mentioned that Michael reveals the supreme. I just get the sense that some of this being is discoverable in this life, obviously just a part, but a small part of this being may equal a huge experience.

 

I already explained this, but probably not well enough. You discover the experience of the reality of the Supreme Being in direct relationship to your own psychic circle conquest and growth of soul-consciousness. We can go over this in detail but this post is already too long.

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Hello!

 

The way that we go through, is the way the Supreme! Father walking with us!

 

(1291.4) 117:6.27 But no God-knowing mortal can ever be lonely in his journey through the cosmos, for he knows that the Father walks beside him each step of the way, while the very way that he is traversing is the presence of the Supreme.

 

(1291.2) 117:6.25 Men do not find the Supreme suddenly and spectacularly as an earthquake tears chasms into the rocks, but they find him slowly and patiently as a river quietly wears away the soil beneath.

 

1291.3) 117:6.26 When you find the Father, you will find the great cause of your spiritual ascent in the universes; when you find the Supreme, you will discover the great result of your career of Paradise progression.

 

(1290.5) 117:6.19 The Supreme is not infinite, but he probably embraces all of infinity that a finite creature can ever really comprehend. To understand more than the Supreme is to be more than finite!

 

 

Greetings,

 

Alina

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Thanks guys, no doubt the supreme being is a complex and important being that I probably should have spent more time trying to understand in the past. :). I understand what you are saying Bonita in that we slowly experience the reality of the Supreme Being as we go along. I find that 7th master spirit connection very interesting as well. I do wonder what it would feel like to "know the supreme" lol I guess I will just have to be a patient tadpole for that haha.

.(1434.2) 130:4.3 The highest level to which a finite creature can progress is the recognition of the Universal Father and the knowing of the Supreme

 

 

 

0:7.8 The Supreme Being is even now evolving as a subeternal personality unification of the sevenfold manifestation of Deity in the time-space segments of the grand universe.

 

This quote along with others just makes me wonder how majestic this being must be and will become. I wonder in eternity just how powerfull this being will be. Of coarse not even the revelators seem to know that for sure as they give those speculatoins about the future of the Supreme Being.

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Thanks guys, no doubt the supreme being is a complex and important being that I probably should have spent more time trying to understand in the past. :). I understand what you are saying Bonita in that we slowly experience the reality of the Supreme Being as we go along. I find that 7th master spirit connection very interesting as well. I do wonder what it would feel like to "know the supreme" lol I guess I will just have to be a patient tadpole for that haha.

 

No one will know the Supreme until every single personality in existence is capable of knowing him and then it will happen all at the same time. Everyone will know the Supreme simultaneously in one big event. Talk about a harmonic convergence. I'm sure there has never been such a sublime event. Can you imagine the entire grand universe reacting all at once, simultaneously to this wondrous and glorious accomplishment? It will make what was experienced at Pentecost look trifling in comparison.

 

 

117.6.21 A human ascender can find the Father; God is existential and therefore real, irrespective of the status of experience in the total universe. But no single ascender will ever find the Supreme until all ascenders have reached that maximum universe maturity which qualifies them simultaneously to participate in this discovery.

 

And this is why service is so huge. No one can know the Supreme unless everyone knows him. Everyone has to evolve or none of us will be able to experience this. It's a labor of love.

 

And speaking of power, don't forget that when the Supreme Being is simultaneously known by all, it means that the synthesis of power and personality has come to perfection. Perfect power of will by perfect personalities who allow spirit to dominate mind. And don't forget that power means sovereignty rather than force or strength.

 

P.1280 - §1 The Supreme is God-in-time; his is the secret of creature growth in time; his also is the conquest of the incomplete present and the consummation of the perfecting future. And the final fruits of all finite growth are: power controlled through mind by spirit by virtue of the unifying and creative presence of personality. The culminating consequence of all this growth is the Supreme Being.

 

106:2.2 The concept of the Supreme must provide for the differential recognition of spirit person, evolutionary power, and power-personality synthesis — the unification of evolutionary power with, and its dominance by, spirit personality.

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Hmm interesting quotes Bonita it seems like the Supreme being is a labour of love even for the 3 persons of diety :).

When the three eternal persons of Deity function as undivided Deity in the Paradise Trinity, they achieve perfect unity; likewise, when they create, either associatively or severally, their Paradise progeny exhibit the characteristic unity of divinity. And this divinity of purpose manifested by the Supreme Creators and Rulers of the time-space domains eventuates in the unifying power potential of the sovereignty of experiential supremacy which, in the presence of the impersonal energy unity of the universe, constitutes a reality tension that can be resolved only through adequate unification with the experiential personality realities of experiential Deity. ~ The Urantia Book, (56:5.4)

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I see the First Source and Center as a personal Deity-Being - one power source. I see Trinity as total Deity personalization - three Gods. Acting as unified and impersonal Deity, Trinity as Deity - 'eventuates' - 'begets' the impersonal Supreme Deity Being, The Supreme is incomplete - not personal. Trinity is composed of personal Gods who when acting as One act as Deity and impersonally. The truth is he is merely a deity derivitive. The Supreme having a beginningness acts in time-space with the associations of the super-transcendental God the Sevenfold to aid in his deity-personalization process and also as God the Almighty Supreme with Supreme Mind to correlate and unify the total of all material energies of the Grand Universe. In effect he will evolve and personalize. Power dominated by his personality. The evolution of dominance. He is destined to be sovereign and eternal. The creator-son already is, was, and will be eternal and is the secondary creator. Perhaps it is a bit simple for me to say, I see the Supreme as ordering what might appear to many as chaos in the grand universe.As deity he is concerned with the totality, as personalized God he is concerned with me the individual.

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I see the First Source and Center as a personal Deity-Being - one power source. I see Trinity as total Deity personalization - three Gods. Acting as unified and impersonal Deity, Trinity as Deity - 'eventuates' - 'begets' the impersonal Supreme Deity Being, The Supreme is incomplete - not personal.

 

But the Supreme Being is a person. Perhaps you mean that his ability to function as a person on the finite level is incomplete?

 

56:6.2 God the Supreme as a person existed in Havona before the creation of the seven superuniverses, but he functioned only on spiritual levels.

 

115:5.1 The Supreme Being is absolutely dependent on the existence and action of the Paradise Trinity for the reality of his personal and spirit nature. While the growth of the Supreme is a matter of triodity relationship, the spirit personality of God the Supreme is dependent upon, and is derived from, the Paradise Trinity, which ever remains as the absolute center-source of perfect and infinite stability around which the evolutionary growth of the Supreme progressively unfolds.

 

116:0.5 The Supreme Being functions primarily in the central universe as a spirit personality; secondarily in the grand universe as God the Almighty, a personality of power. The tertiary function of the Supreme in the master universe is now latent, existing only as an unknown mind potential. No one knows just what this third development of the Supreme Being will disclose. Some believe that, when the superuniverses are settled in light and life, the Supreme will become functional from Uversa as the almighty and experiential sovereign of the grand universe while expanding in power as the superalmighty of the outer universes. Others speculate that the third stage of Supremacy will involve the third level of Deity manifestation. But none of us really know.

 

The Supreme Being's personality is purely spiritual and able to function only in the central universe. But even in the worlds of time and space, the personality of the Supreme is merely latent, which is why we rely on Michael and his Spirit of Truth to reveal the Way in which we can experience the Supreme. The Supreme is not impersonal, he is a latent personality and only incomplete in terms of perfection of experience.

 

.As deity he is concerned with the totality, as personalized God he is concerned with me the individual.

 

In reality, the Supreme is not concerned with you as an individual. The concern of the Supreme is the individual as part of the whole. The Supreme is primarily concerned with making the parts whole, which is why none of us can fully find and know him until everyone else does. God the Father knows you as an individual, which is why he sent a fragment of himself to be part of you. The Supreme's purpose is to have every single fragment of God function in perfect unity with each and every free-will personality, which is the process of power-personality synthesis.

 

0:7.10 All time-space finite reality, under the directive urge of the evolving Supreme Being, is engaged in an ever-ascending mobilization and perfecting unification (power-personality synthesis) of all phases and values of finite reality, in association with varied phases of Paradise reality, to the end and for the purpose of subsequently embarking upon the attempt to reach absonite levels of supercreature attainment.

 

106:2.2 The concept of the Supreme must provide for the differential recognition of spirit person, evolutionary power, and power-personality synthesis — the unification of evolutionary power with, and its dominance by, spirit personality.

 

But the non personal and impersonal aspects of the universe are not left out of this process. When spirit dominates, it dominates all.

 

106:5.2 It should be made clear that these experiential Trinities are correlative, not only of the personality qualities of experiential Divinity, but also of all the other-than-personal qualities which characterize their attained Deity unity. While this presentation deals primarily with the personal phases of the unification of the cosmos, it is nonetheless true that the impersonal aspects of the universe of universes are likewise destined to undergo unification as is illustrated by the power-personality synthesis now going on in connection with the evolution of the Supreme Being. The spirit-personal qualities of the Supreme are inseparable from the power prerogatives of the Almighty, and both are complemented by the unknown potential of Supreme mind. Neither can God the Ultimate as a person be considered apart from the other-than-personal aspects of Ultimate Deity. And on the absolute level the Deity and the Unqualified Absolutes are inseparable and indistinguishable in the presence of the Universal Absolute.

 

117:5.12 In this manner do the manifold experiences of all creation become a part of the evolution of Supremacy. Creatures merely utilize the qualities and quantities of the finite as they ascend to the Father; the impersonal consequences of such utilization remain forever a part of the living cosmos, the Supreme person.

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Perhaps I err in my thinking that the Supreme is a Deity-Being although a spirit person - lacks or is 'void' of the innate personal constituentl personal 'make-up' of the Universal Father as Deity. He is an impersonal manifestation bestowed with a Trinity (Deity level) personality which is not in contravention to personality). I am bestowed with a Deity-level personality by the Universal Father. The nature of the Supreme Being to me is again all the attributes of three spiritual Gods combined as one and also an impersonal nature. My personality is bestowed upon my human-animal and material nature. I believe I am a material-being. I believe that the Supreme is a spiritual-being. We both have deity-level personalities - mine is pre-Trinity, the Supreme's is of Trinity. Regardles of Origins, deity level personality....personalizes. The Supreme is a spirit-being that needs to personalize. You know the phrase that the virtue of an empty vessel is that it may be filled. Perhaps I parse to much the differentiations involved with such personifications?

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I forgot. I'll know and love the Infinite Father, because I'll know and love Him only as I come to know and love the Supreme Father, the Supreme derivation of the Universal Father as One Lord and One God. He'll love me in return.

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The Supreme Being's personality is purely spiritual and able to function only in the central universe. But even in the worlds of time and space, the personality of the Supreme is merely latent, which is why we rely on Michael and his Spirit of Truth to reveal the Way in which we can experience the Supreme. The Supreme is not impersonal, he is a latent personality and only incomplete in terms of perfection of experience.

 

Obviously this is one small way to experience the supreme being. Do you believe that there are hints of any other ways of experiencing him Bontia? You mention Michael and his spirit of truth, can you find any quotes in the u.b that suggest we experience anything more of him? Perhaps the "substance of the supreme" is the highest we can experience the supreme being?

The fruits of the spirit are the substance of the Supreme as he is realizable in human experience.
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Again perhaps I err in thinking, but the Supreme does not idly take a back seat, he participates in his own development/evolution in the Grand Universe as the Almighty Supreme in association with God the Sevenfold , he utilizing the bestowed Supreme Mind by the Infinite Spirit.

0:7.6 Having achieved existential Deity expression of himself in the Son and the Spirit, the Father is now achieving experiential expression on hitherto impersonal and unrevealed deity levels as God the Supreme, God the Ultimate, and God the Absolute; but these experiential Deities are not now fully existent; they are in process of actualization.

0:7.7 God the Supreme in Havona is the personal spirit reflection of the triune Paradise Deity. This associative Deity relationship is now creatively expanding outward in God the Sevenfold and is synthesizing in the experiential power of the Almighty Supreme in the grand universe. Paradise Deity, existential as three persons, is thus experientially evolving in two phases of Supremacy, while these dual phases are power-personality unifying as one Lord, the Supreme Being.

116:0.5 “The Supreme Being functions primarily in the central universe as a spirit personality; secondarily in the grand universe as God the Almighty, a personality of power…”

117:0.4 The parts and individuals of the grand universe evolve as a reflection of the total evolution of the Supreme, while in turn the Supreme is the synthetic cumulative total of all grand universe evolution. From the mortal viewpoint both are evolutionary and experiential reciprocals.

 

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Obviously this is one small way to experience the supreme being. Do you believe that there are hints of any other ways of experiencing him Bontia? You mention Michael and his spirit of truth, can you find any quotes in the u.b that suggest we experience anything more of him? Perhaps the "substance of the supreme" is the highest we can experience the supreme being?

 

 

117.3.4 Your Creator Son can actually be such a living channel from humanity to divinity since he has personally experienced the fullness of the traversal of this universe path of progression, from the true humanity of Joshua ben Joseph, the Son of Man, to the Paradise divinity of MICHAEL of Nebadon, the Son of the infinite God. Similarly can the SUPREME Being function as the universe approach to the transcendence of finite limitations, for he is the actual embodiment and personal epitome of all creature evolution, progression, and spiritualization. Even the grand universe experiences of the descending personalities from Paradise are that part of his experience which is complemental to his summation of the ascending experiences of the pilgrims of time.

 

 

117.6.3 What MICHAEL is to Nebadon, the SUPREME is to the finite cosmos; his Deity is the great avenue through which the love of the Father flows outward to all creation, and he is the great avenue through which finite creatures pass inward in their quest of the Father, who is love. Even Thought Adjusters are related to him; in original nature and divinity they are like the Father, but when they experience the transactions of time in the universes of space, they become like the SUPREME.

 

119.8.3 In completing his creature bestowals, MICHAEL was not only establishing his own sovereignty but also was augmenting the evolving sovereignty of God the SUPREME. In the course of these bestowals the Creator Son not only engaged in a descending exploration of the various natures of creature personality, but he also achieved the revelation of the variously diversified wills of the Paradise Deities, whose synthetic unity, as revealed by the SUPREME Creators, is revelatory of the will of the SUPREME Being.

 

 

119.8.5 The completion of these seven bestowals resulted in the liberation of MICHAEL’s supreme sovereignty and also in the creation of the possibility for the sovereignty of the SUPREME in Nebadon. On none of MICHAEL’s bestowals did he reveal God the SUPREME, but the sum total of all seven bestowals is a new Nebadon revelation of the SUPREME Being.

 

119.8.7 In passing through the experience of revealing the Seven Master Spirit wills of the Trinity, the Creator Son has passed through the experience of revealing the will of the SUPREME. In functioning as a revelator of the will of Supremacy, MICHAEL, together with all other Master Sons, has identified himself eternally with the SUPREME. In this universe age he reveals the SUPREME and participates in the actualization of the sovereignty of Supremacy. But in the next universe age we believe he will be collaborating with the SUPREME Being in the first experiential Trinity for and in the universes of outer space.

 

120.0.3 In the course of each of these preceding bestowals MICHAEL not only acquired the finite experience of one group of his created beings, but he also acquired an essential experience in Paradise co-operation which would, in and of itself, further contribute to constituting him the sovereign of his self-made universe. At any moment throughout all past local universe time, MICHAEL could have asserted personal sovereignty as a Creator Son and as a Creator Son could have ruled his universe after the manner of his own choosing. In such an event, Immanuel and the associated Paradise Sons would have taken leave of the universe. But MICHAEL did not wish to rule Nebadon merely in his own isolated right, as a Creator Son. He desired to ascend through actual experience in co-operative subordination to the Paradise Trinity to that high place in universe status where he would become qualified to rule his universe and administer its affairs with that perfection of insight and wisdom of execution which will sometime be characteristic of the exalted rule of the SUPREME Being. He aspired not to perfection of rule as a Creator Son but to supremacy of administration as the embodiment of the universe wisdom and the divine experience of the SUPREME Being.

 

120.0.7 In this connection it should be borne in mind that MICHAEL had elected to execute this bestowal in the likeness of mortal flesh, subject to the will of the Paradise Father. The Creator Son required instructions from no one in order to effect this incarnation for the sole purpose of achieving universe sovereignty, but he had embarked upon a program of the revelation of the SUPREME which involved co-operative functioning with the diverse wills of the Paradise Deities. Thus his sovereignty, when finally and personally acquired, would actually be all-inclusive of the sevenfold will of Deity as it culminates in the SUPREME. He had, therefore, six times previously been instructed by the personal representatives of the various Paradise Deities and associations thereof; and now he was instructed by the Union of Days, ambassador of the Paradise Trinity to the local universe of Nebadon, acting on behalf of the Universal Father.

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And here are some more great quotes that might help:

 

56:8.4 All creational phenomena are reflective of antecedent creator-spirit activities. Said Jesus, and it is literally true, “The Son does only those things which he sees the Father do.” In time you mortals may begin the revelation of the Supreme to your fellows, and increasingly may you augment this revelation as you ascend Paradiseward. In eternity you may be permitted to make increasing revelations of this God of evolutionary creatures on supreme levels — even ultimate — as seventh-stage finaliters.

 

117:3.3 Said Jesus: “I am the living way,” and so he is the living way from the material level of self-consciousness to the spiritual level of God-consciousness. And even as he is this living way of ascension from the self to God, so is the Supreme the living way from finite consciousness to transcendence of consciousness, even to the insight of absonity.

 

117:5.4 In the eternal future, God the Supreme will be actualized — creatively expressed and spiritually portrayed — in the spiritualized mind, the immortal soul, of ascendant man, even as the Universal Father was so revealed in the earth life of Jesus.

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Thanks Bonita I enjoy all these quotes about the supreme being, I am glad god does not hold a stop watch and I can take my time on this haha.

 

Someone mentioned this analogy which I thought was very thought provoking. I do not know how accurate it is so I will throw it out here. The supreme being or the "ALL IS ONE" reacts to God or the "ALL THERE IS"..... this analogy really caught my attention, I wonder how much truth there is in this statement??....

 

 

, but he also achieved the revelation of the variously diversified wills of the Paradise Deities, whose synthetic unity, as revealed by the SUPREME Creators, is revelatory of the will of the SUPREME Being.

 

I get the hint that the Supreme Creators are revelations of the supreme being. So if we experience something of the supreme creators we are really getting a small taste of the supreme being??

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The only way you can get a taste of the Supreme is by growing your soul to the point where you become fully consciousness of it as the reality of your existence and in the process allow your mind to be spiritized and your personality realitized.

 

110:6.16 Perhaps these psychic circles of mortal progression would be better denominated cosmic levels — actual meaning grasps and value realizations of progressive approach to the morontia consciousness of initial relationship of the evolutionary soul with the emerging Supreme Being.

 

Awareness of the soul's relationship to the Supreme is the recognition of universe citizenship and the responsibilities inherent in that citizenship. Experience of a relationship with the Supreme is synonymous with the recognition of the obligations you have to serve. Sooner or later everyone has to realize that the universe was not created for them alone, and then behave as such.

 

110:3.10 4. Joyful acceptance of cosmic citizenship — honest recognition of your progressive obligations to the Supreme Being, awareness of the interdependence of evolutionary man and evolving Deity. This is the birth of cosmic morality and the dawning realization of universal duty.

 

28:6.18 All of this magnificent creation, including yourself, was not made just for you. This is not an egocentric universe. The Gods have decreed, "It is more blessed to give than to receive," and said your Master Son, "He who would be greatest among you let him be server of all."

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Those are helpfull quotes Bonita, how much truth do you think is this analogy? The "ALL IS ONE" Supreme Being reacts to God or the "ALL THERE IS"

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