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The Lucifer Rebellion - Adjudication Time Frame. By Chuck Thurston

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Bonita quote: " Seems to me that you're saying that anyone can be deceived and no one can be trusted"..... I never said that; I am not presumptuous enough to know that answer. I am only trying to understand. I'm not "saying" anything.

 

Bonita quote: "Listen Marisa: If worrying about Thurston's tripe makes you more joyful; Spend all of your days reading Thurston and thinking about his words. Worry yourself away! ...... Forgive me if I misunderstood, but this feels like a sarcastic comment. If you consider my desire to understand a topic unimportant to you, then why make comments.

 

Bonita quote: "I honestly cannot tolerate this stuff".....

Then WHY are you making comments on this post. There are plenty of other topics in another thread, which may be more tolerable to you. Using multiple adjectives to belittle my intelligence, spirituality, and my interest in this topic, which I am currently studying, is pretty upsetting to see.

 

Everybody is a different level of understanding and may have questions that may be of no interest to you. Saying, "this has to stop" makes me (as a new poster) feel very unwelcomed. I am new here and I have no idea of the history in this forum previous to my post. This is what I've heard from you: "Malarky", "shallow", how stupid "people like YOU are" for paying attention to this article, etc...

 

Plus, None of this is referring to anyone of evil intent or desire. I'm referring to people who are sincere, love god, pray and are only seeking good....period! So, why even mention people with evil desires. Of course, the topic would be silly, if it was regarding people who are TRYING to do evil things, and lastly, this topic has nothing to do with Halloween...that didn't even enter my mind.

 

This topic is important for me to understand and if it's silly to you, please don't degrade me for asking. Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's all malarky. How is it that you've come to trust Thurston so much? If his theory is correct, then how can we be sure that he's not being deceived too? Seems to me that you're saying that anyone can be deceived and no one can be trusted, which is exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught.

 

192:2.7 When they had gone a short distance, Jesus said to Andrew, "Andrew, do you trust me?" And when the former chief of the apostles heard Jesus ask such a question, he stood still and answered, "Yes, Master, of a certainty I trust you, and you know that I do." Then said Jesus: "Andrew, if you trust me, trust your brethren more - even Peter.

 

 

 

Yes. People succumb to evil because they are weak, because their faith is shallow. But evil is of their own making. There is no devil tempting people to forgo truth for evil. The potential for evil is in your own heart. It is not someone else's fault when evil is permitted to happen. It's very immature to say, "The devil made me do it." I'll ask again, why do you put so much faith and trust in Thurston and so little faith and trust in God?

 

 

 

Because people like you will read it and believe it.

 

 

 

The mind at mischief is a very powerful force. Nothing evil can happen to people unless they allow it. There are times when we have to suffer from the evil choices others make, but we do that joyfully, returning good for evil at every turn. Focus on reality and not this side show of, "Oh look, there's the devil . . . no wait, he's over there . . . and now he's coming for you!" It's all nonsense.

 

 

 

Since when can you measure God and his spirit mathematically?

 

Listen Marisa, test yourself this way: If worrying about Thurston's tripe makes you more joyful; allows you to function more efficiently; helps you love and serve others with more patience and tolerance; calms your mind and bolsters your spirit as well as giving you an enlarged and deepened appreciation for truth, beauty and goodness, then go with it wholeheartedly. Spend all of your days reading Thurston and thinking about his words. Worry yourself away!

 

But I choose not to give a microsecond of attention to anything with even a shadow of a hair's turning for an untrue purpose because it creates no lasting peace. Worry over falsehood is fruitless.

 

p555:1 48:6.22 The shadow of a hair's turning, premeditated for an untrue purpose, the slightest twisting or perversion of that which is principle—these constitute falseness.

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boom, how do you know that Caligastia is not winning over many of these angels to the rebellion, as we speak? I have said this before, TUB ends its report of the account of the Lucifer rebellion, 1956. From that point to now, we have no idea what is going on. And until all rebels are interned, the threat of new rebellions springing forth to life exists. In my opinion, based on world events, Caligastia is winning over many of the angels presently who administer to our planet.

 

BB

 

 

If the u.b says the rebellion is over I believe it. They also speak about how there will not be another rebellion. I believe that as well.

 

This entire topic brings up another topic. Which is what can happen to people who view the urantia book as a channeled affirmation of their beliefs and not a revelation. The only confusion that happens here is people only accept bits and parts of the u.b and they take what appeals to them. That is where the confusion, and error happens. The part about 1st circlers is a part that I have seen readers take as fact and than reject the u.b's stance on how long it takes to get there. They than assume that they can talk to cellestial beings because that is what they think happened with the urantia book. It happens way to much. The urantia book did not come about in channelings, or people hearing voices, or anything like that. It was literally written by midwayers, and transmitted threw someone who was completely unaware of the entire event. Nothing like this happens, it is unique. It is not even like a self revelation. It is not even like a vision people may get of the mansion worlds. Some people like to take just bits and parts of all religions and concepts and make their own opinion. That is not really what the urantia book is meant for. Its meant to be taken as a revelation not a affirmation.

 

 

This is what I've heard from you: "Malarky", "shallow", how stupid "people like YOU are" for paying attention to this article, etc...

 

 

Marrisa she is just mad at this Thurston guy, and she thinks he is Malarky, shallow etc. You are just being deceived by delusional human beings not the devil. The lies this man and others like him puts out is dangerous stuff.

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boom, I was under the impression Lucifer's rebellion was over, but Caligastia's is ongoing.

 

 

 

If the u.b says the rebellion is over I believe it. They also speak about how there will not be another rebellion. I believe that as well.

 

This entire topic brings up another topic. Which is what can happen to people who view the urantia book as a channeled affirmation of their beliefs and not a revelation. The only confusion that happens here is people only accept bits and parts of the u.b and they take what appeals to them. That is where the confusion, and error happens. The part about 1st circlers is a part that I have seen readers take as fact and than reject the u.b's stance on how long it takes to get there. They than assume that they can talk to cellestial beings because that is what they think happened with the urantia book. It happens way to much. The urantia book did not come about in channelings, or people hearing voices, or anything like that. It was literally written by midwayers, and transmitted threw someone who was completely unaware of the entire event. Nothing like this happens, it is unique. It is not even like a self revelation. It is not even like a vision people may get of the mansion worlds. Some people like to take just bits and parts of all religions and concepts and make their own opinion. That is not really what the urantia book is meant for. Its meant to be taken as a revelation not a affirmation.

 

 

 

 

 

Marrisa she is just mad at this Thurston guy, and she thinks he is Malarky, shallow etc. You are just being deceived by delusional human beings not the devil. The lies this man and others like him puts out is dangerous stuff.

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Boom

Although I agree with basically 99% of what you post on this forum and the other one; I hope that you don't mind if I point out a slight error contained within your post made just a few hours ago.

 

You said within your 2nd paragraph " The urantia book did not come about in channeling or people hearing voices......"

 

I believe that if you research the history of how the UB came about, you'll discover that Dr. William Sadler and his wife Lena had voice communication through the sleeping subject. This type of communication occured during the early years before the UB was transmitted in hanwritten form.

 

Sorry for going off the topic. Carry on with your interesting dialogue.

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You said within your 2nd paragraph " The urantia book did not come about in channeling or people hearing voices......"

 

Right but, that is not a voice in their head. Which is what I meant by hearing voices. This is the sort of thing that is going on with some of these groups. And I don't mind people disagreeing with me, sometimes I look back at posts I made months back and I disagree with what I said lol. :)

 

Posted Today, 08:23 PM

boom, I was under the impression Lucifer's rebellion was over, but Caligastia's is ongoing.

 

 

 

Yes, but he is impotent now. He is also bat-#$% crazy. I can't remember the quote in the book that talks about his mental state, but its not good.

 

In my opinion, based on world events, Caligastia is winning over many of the angels presently who administer to our planet.

 

Compared to the non-breather world our world seems to be fairing well. The u.b hints that this planet has gone threw many world wars, and we may as a world may face more world wars. But this has nothing to do with devils. War is just a natural result of human beings not being true religionists and it will go on until we find true religion. The u.b also seems to give good hints about how to defend against attacks, apparently building up a strong defence is important lol. One of the first things to go up for both Eden and Dalamantia was a wall :). Lol

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This topic is important for me to understand and if it's silly to you, please don't degrade me for asking. Thanks.

 

marisa33, I'm not degrading you or your questions. I'm degrading Thurston's long, tedious and hopelessly misleading essay which you posted here on this forum. If you take my comments about Thurston's essay personally, it is because you most likely have emotionally identified with what he wrote. If you are really opened minded in your questions about his theories, if you're truly questioning them, then my opinion should not bother you at all. After all, it's only opinion. I happen to like my opinion, but you don't have to like it. You're free to dislike my opinion as much as you want. And you're free and WELCOME to voice your opinion as well.

 

I happen to be extremely passionate about this topic and I'm sickened by the many different ways people come up with to perpetuate primitive myths. I will not, I absolutely cannot, tolerate anyone blaming the devil for anything. The rebellion is over. Michael is sovereign. No one should be wasting one second thinking or worrying about devils or disadjustered beings because all such thinking only serves to feed fear . . . and that's exactly what evil loves . . . FEAR AND WORRY. And anyone who thinks that adjudicating rebels is the only way to end evil is being very seriously misled. It really does have to stop.

 

Why? Well look at BB . . . now he's been lead to think that angels might be starting a new rebellion . . . he thinks the devil might be busy conniving innocents! It's amazing to me that more can't see how malignantly poisonous this stuff is? It MUST stop! It really, really must. It's actually blasphemous, it's a refusal to accept Michael as sovereign. I will never tolerate that and I don't care who pitches a fit about it. I'm more than willing and happy to bear the cross for Michael's sovereignty over all sources of evil. He ended the rebellion. It's over. He's the boss and no puny, pernicious peon like Caligastia can do anything to change that. Caligastia and his minions are trivial and unimportant, definitely not worth wasting any time worrying about. I don't know how else to say it. If what I say is not true, then Pentecost was a waste of time and Michael is the impotent one. And that is simply OUTRAGEOUS; it cannot stand.

 

p610:03 But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.

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marisa33, I'm not degrading you or your questions. I'm degrading Thurston's long, tedious and hopelessly misleading essay which you posted here on this forum. If you take my comments about Thurston's essay personally, it is because you most likely have emotionally identified with what he wrote. If you are really opened minded in your questions about his theories, if you're truly questioning them, then my opinion should not bother you at all. After all, it's only opinion. I happen to like my opinion, but you don't have to like it. You're free to dislike my opinion as much as you want. And you're free and WELCOME to voice your opinion as well.

 

I happen to be extremely passionate about this topic and I'm sickened by the many different ways people come up with to perpetuate primitive myths. I will not, I absolutely cannot, tolerate anyone blaming the devil for anything. The rebellion is over. Michael is sovereign. No one should be wasting one second thinking or worrying about devils or disadjustered beings because all such thinking only serves to feed fear . . . and that's exactly what evil loves . . . FEAR AND WORRY. And anyone who thinks that adjudicating rebels is the only way to end evil is being very seriously misled. It really does have to stop.

 

Why? Well look at BB . . . now he's been lead to think that angels might be starting a new rebellion . . . he thinks the devil might be busy conniving innocents! It's amazing to me that more can't see how malignantly poisonous this stuff is? It MUST stop! It really, really must. It's actually blasphemous, it's a refusal to accept Michael as sovereign. I will never tolerate that and I don't care who pitches a fit about it. I'm more than willing and happy to bear the cross for Michael's sovereignty over all sources of evil. He ended the rebellion. It's over. He's the boss and no puny, pernicious peon like Caligastia can do anything to change that. Caligastia and his minions are trivial and unimportant, definitely not worth wasting any time worrying about. I don't know how else to say it. If what I say is not true, then Pentecost was a waste of time and Michael is the impotent one. And that is simply OUTRAGEOUS; it cannot stand.

 

p610:03 But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.

 

 

Just wondering Bonita? What part of you, or your TA, is influencing your presentation here in that by your tone it would be evident that you stand hiding in fear of what exactly? Evidently I was not mistaken regarding Michael verses Jesus, and that F.D.R. was correct in saying that "there is nothing to fear but fear itself?

 

PS: Have you forgotten your own posts from your own topic:

http://urantia.invis...post__p__19645

http://urantia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1155-amenemope-and-the-book-of-wisdom/page__view__findpost__p__19626

http://urantia.invisionzone.com/index.php?/topic/1155-amenemope-and-the-book-of-wisdom/page__view__findpost__p__19583

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Bonita,

 

I did not post Thurston's article...someone else did.

 

I came onto this thread and responded to the article that was already posted, but it made sense to me. It came from the Urantia Book.

 

There are things happening out in the world that make it hard to simply overlook this issue. As the world changes, we have to understand what's going on; If you are lucky, you can ignore it and be joyful. If you run across it, you're going to be asking questions.

 

Let me ask you a hypothetical. I know you think this is nonsense, but it IS happening, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.

Say there were UFO sightings in your neighborhood and various things had been reported. Then, one night you go out to take your dog out for her bathroom needs, and suddenly a bright light pops on over top of you....a silent (no sound) thing slips up to you out of no where and suddenly turns a bright beam on you. Do you feel fearful or ask them for tea? I don't know. So, me? I'd hold my head down and get inside as fast as possible.

 

This is something that can happen to the most spiritual/god - loving people. You would not be looking for trouble or wanting this to happen....It just does.

 

After an event like that, would you be talking about how foolish the TV programs are and how they just want high ratings OR would you be asking questions, especially in a forum where people are students of the same source you trust.

 

For me, the next thing I'd do, was look up info on the subject, and thus ran across biblical folks saying that it's fallen angels, so the next thing I do, is come here to this forum, to see your thoughts.

 

Suppose the one-time event suddenly made more appearances. Would you ignore that? Should you encourage them, as they are possibly "friendly" or check into it a bit further? Frankly, I'd LOVE to be free of ALL fear ... truely. So, would that be your advice in this circumstance?

 

 

 

 

 

 

marisa33, I'm not degrading you or your questions. I'm degrading Thurston's long, tedious and hopelessly misleading essay which you posted here on this forum. If you take my comments about Thurston's essay personally, it is because you most likely have emotionally identified with what he wrote. If you are really opened minded in your questions about his theories, if you're truly questioning them, then my opinion should not bother you at all. After all, it's only opinion. I happen to like my opinion, but you don't have to like it. You're free to dislike my opinion as much as you want. And you're free and WELCOME to voice your opinion as well.

 

I happen to be extremely passionate about this topic and I'm sickened by the many different ways people come up with to perpetuate primitive myths. I will not, I absolutely cannot, tolerate anyone blaming the devil for anything. The rebellion is over. Michael is sovereign. No one should be wasting one second thinking or worrying about devils or disadjustered beings because all such thinking only serves to feed fear . . . and that's exactly what evil loves . . . FEAR AND WORRY. And anyone who thinks that adjudicating rebels is the only way to end evil is being very seriously misled. It really does have to stop.

 

Why? Well look at BB . . . now he's been lead to think that angels might be starting a new rebellion . . . he thinks the devil might be busy conniving innocents! It's amazing to me that more can't see how malignantly poisonous this stuff is? It MUST stop! It really, really must. It's actually blasphemous, it's a refusal to accept Michael as sovereign. I will never tolerate that and I don't care who pitches a fit about it. I'm more than willing and happy to bear the cross for Michael's sovereignty over all sources of evil. He ended the rebellion. It's over. He's the boss and no puny, pernicious peon like Caligastia can do anything to change that. Caligastia and his minions are trivial and unimportant, definitely not worth wasting any time worrying about. I don't know how else to say it. If what I say is not true, then Pentecost was a waste of time and Michael is the impotent one. And that is simply OUTRAGEOUS; it cannot stand.

 

p610:03 But since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters and the protective Spirit of Truth, the spirit of Michael, which has been poured out upon all flesh.

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Then, one night you go out to take your dog out for her bathroom needs, and suddenly a bright light pops on over top of you....a silent (no sound) thing slips up to you out of no where and suddenly turns a bright beam on you. Do you feel fearful or ask them for tea? I don't know. So, me? I'd hold my head down and get inside as fast as possible.

 

Well that is what the u.b is here for, to give us an idea of what is actually out there so when something strange does happen we do not freak out. Caligastia cannot harm you, you are safe. None of these beings can enter our world, their leader is Impotent. :) Whatever you experienced was of the natural world or it was something supernaturally friendly.

 

The Universe is actually very friendly :). I don't understand if people have experienced a UFO sighting or a strange experience that they immediately think that evil is behind it?

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marisa33, on 15 October 2012 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

Plus, None of this is referring to anyone of evil intent or desire. I'm referring to people who are sincere, love god, pray and are only seeking good....period! So, why even mention people with evil desires.

 

 

Hi marisa33,

 

Your comment above leads me to think you are not naive about channeling. From what you say, "I'm referring to people who are sincere, love god, pray and are only seeking good....period!" that you are suggesting you actually know some of these people. Your comments from an earlier post also suggest you know some of these people.

 

marisa33, on 15 October 2012 - 08:06 AM, said:

 

Thurston's article explains that "Caligastia deceives and goes after sincere individuals who believe they are doing the right thing". So, are you [bonita] saying that this is just a bunch of "malarky" that we shouldn't care about? Thing is, it's going on with sincere urantia students. They are not untintelligent/ungodly people who don't pray or aknowledge their thought adjusters guidance.

 

Your [bonita] quote: "Why people waste their time paying attention to UFO claptrap never ceases to amaze me. "Why not give equal time to prayer and boost the ratings of God instead?" .... Does that mean that people who are acknowledging the events happening all around us are not Praying and focused on god? That couldn't be further from the truth. Many are very spiritual and very focused on god. Just because it many not have been your experience, does not mean that it is not happening on a wide scale to others. Isn't it wise to attempt to understand how it fits in with the heavently father's plan? Do we just stick our heads in the sand and ignore that it's happening.

 

 

That’s why I think you must know some of these people about whom you refer. Also it seems to me there is an emotional component to your concerns about them. Maybe I am misreading you and you, yourself, are sincere in your questions. Or, maybe you are on a fishing expedition, so to speak, here in this forum on the subject of channeling. But I do not know. You did ask how it all fits into God’s plan. And I don’t know the answer to that either. Jesus never did it, nor did the Apostles. They were engaged in spreading the good news of the gospel.

 

But I do know that millions of people across our world "are very spiritual and focused on god [sic]". This is well and good. But a number of well-meaning people, spiritual and focused on God, are knowingly perverting the teachings found on the pages of the Urantia Book by deluding other people into the deception and amusement of getting messages from disembodied persons. It's a shame. Some people are lured into such things as Ouija board, tarot cards, astrology, channeling, spiritism and other new age activities. It’s a seduction. Makes people think they are special. But those who dabble in these amusements are not easily dissuaded, because those practitioners receive so much attention in their groups, and they are invested emotionally in it. It's an ego trip doubly sinister in my opinion because of references to the UB and because other UB readers are taken in by it. Too bad there aren’t more Doubting Thomas’ in the UB communities.

 

 

 

As for UFOs I'll leave it alone. It doesn't really. pertain to the UB. There are a lot of subjects we would love to know more about, but the UB is not an encyclopedia.

 

As boom says, the universe is very friendly!

 

 

All the best,

Meredith

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Hello all,

 

I feel need to post following quote here

 

(151:5.5) As Jesus came out in the rain, he looked first at Peter, and then peering into the darkness at the struggling oarsmen, he turned his glance back upon Simon Peter, who, in his agitation, had not yet returned to his oar, and said: "Why are all of you so filled with fear? Where is your faith? Peace, be quiet." Jesus had hardly uttered this rebuke to Peter and the other apostles, he had hardly bidden Peter seek peace wherewith to quiet his troubled soul, when the disturbed atmosphere, having established its equilibrium, settled down into a great calm. The angry waves almost immediately subsided, while the dark clouds, having spent themselves in a short shower, vanished, and the stars of heaven shone overhead. All this was purely coincidental as far as we can judge; but the apostles, particularly Simon Peter, never ceased to regard the episode as a nature miracle. It was especially easy for the men of that day to believe in nature miracles inasmuch as they firmly believed that all nature was a phenomenon directly under the control of spirit forces and supernatural beings.

 

I see that whole debate is around fear. It is hard to win out animal side but to learn to live without fear is one great victory.

When you learn the lesson of being fearless and self-forgetful you are on the good road.

It is very hard lesson and most likely it will repeat it self many times. But once mustered it will be like drinking watter :)

 

Following quote help me a lot

(100:2.7) Jesus portrayed the profound surety of the God-knowing mortal when he said: "To a God-knowing kingdom believer, what does it matter if all things earthlycrash?" Temporal securities are vulnerable, but spiritual sureties are impregnable. When the flood tides of human adversity, selfishness, cruelty, hate, malice, and jealousy beat about the mortal soul, you may rest in the assurance that there is one inner bastion, the citadel of the spirit, which is absolutely unassailable; at least this is true of every human being who has dedicated the keeping of his soul to the indwelling spirit of the eternal God.

 

We are here to experience and learn something that a lot of personalities in Universe will never have opportunity to learn. If Lucifer, Caligastia and Satan came from ascending order they would probably not go astray, they would be able to admit that they were wrong and see forgiveness.

I can't even imagine how hard is to be isolated from God. But pride in this fallen angels was so great that they rebuke the possibility to admit that someone else was right. In occasions when I am passing through test it is not the test what troubles me but silence from the Father is ripping my soul apart. But faith is with me. I believe that Father loves me, that Universe is a peaceful place with many beauty full things to see and learn.

 

Brothers and Sisters walk this place with cheer in your heart, help each other, show each other Love and even to those which you don't like.The day will come when we will be united in one goal. Goal to become like our Father. To unite with him in Isle of Paradise and to help him create this Universe to be perfect, even as He is perfect.

Fear not.

Worry not.

 

Our Father is with us.

 

Peace on Earth and good (God) will among men

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Suppose the one-time event suddenly made more appearances. Would you ignore that? Should you encourage them, as they are possibly "friendly" or check into it a bit further? Frankly, I'd LOVE to be free of ALL fear ... truely. So, would that be your advice in this circumstance?

 

marisa33,

 

First, let me say that I'm sorry for assigning the posting of Thurston's essay to you. Second, I have to ask, are you saying that you've been contacted by aliens and that UFO's are following you around? It's not clear from your hypothetical statements if that's the case.

 

I personally have never seen a UFO or an alien and I don't know anyone who has. Until I do encounter an alien or a UFO myself, I cannot believe in them at all and I have little tolerance for all the media hype. But let's just say, for the sake of your question, that they actually do exist and that it's just a matter of time before one lands in my back yard and tries to communicate with me. How would I act? I would jump up and down with joy that I had the opportunity to show that there are humans on the planet who are friendly. And of course, I would pump them for their obviously advanced knowledge and experience. There would be a lot to learn there.

 

But I have to ask, with all sincerity, how on earth did you get UFO's and aliens from Thurston's essay? What is the link? I can't see any connection at all between adjudicating the Lucifer Rebellion and UFO's. Please tell me what I am missing because it's not making any sense.

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(1950.3) 180:5.8 But the highest realization and the truest interpretation of the golden rule consists in the consciousness of the spirit of the truth of the enduring and living reality of such a divine declaration. The true cosmic meaning of this rule of universal relationship is revealed only in its spiritual realization, in the interpretation of the law of conduct by the spirit of the Son to the spirit of the Father that indwells the soul of mortal man. And when such spirit-led mortals realize the true meaning of this golden rule, they are filled to overflowing with the assurance of citizenship in a friendly universe, and their ideals of spirit reality are satisfied only when they love their fellows as Jesus loved us all, and that is the reality of the realization of the love of God.

 

(2094.7) 196:3.8 2. Interpretation of the universe — wisdom. Only the spirit-indwelt mind can comprehend that the universe is friendly to the individual.

 

(38.2) 2:4.2 God is inherently kind, naturally compassionate, and everlastingly merciful. And never is it necessary that any influence be brought to bear upon the Father to call forth his loving-kindness. The creature’s need is wholly sufficient to insure the full flow of the Father’s tender mercies and his saving grace. Since God knows all about his children, it is easy for him to forgive. The better man understands his neighbor, the easier it will be to forgive him, even to love him.

 

(42.1) 2:6.9 Facing the world of personality, God is discovered to be a loving person; facing the spiritual world, he is a personal love; in religious experience he is both. Love identifies the volitional will of God. The goodness of God rests at the bottom of the divine free-willness — the universal tendency to love, show mercy, manifest patience, and minister forgiveness.

 

When did the aliens get here? Although a big Trekkie and scifi fan myself, TUB taught me better. Speed of light (or multiples thereof - warpspeed) inter-galactic, mechanical ships with other mortals inside (and if not mortals, then no space ships) is an unsupported improbability for multiple reasons: physics is but one; the prime directive is second (thanks Bradbury for that), and seraphic transport requirements are another - although, belief in beings on other worlds is a positive general influence on the planet's perspective, eh? A rather benign virus in my opinion. But how'd they land on this thread?

 

But if they are buzzing around, hiding from empirical support and anyone with scientific training or education, then they also are cosmic citizens in a friendly universe with far greater progress than our own, no? What's to fear then? Or blame? And why wonder who's in charge? Fear less and Love more. Peace.

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boom, do you have a passage to support this?

 

... They also speak about how there will not be another rebellion.

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From Marissa's first post: "Based on this summary, it seems that we are not safe to seek any spiritual connections, without encountering rebellious beings. I think about the UFO phenominon and worry about whether most of these are manifestations of rebellious beings or whether they are our unseen friends from the seraphic planetary government. How would you know the difference? With all these deceptions, how will we ever recognize our true friends? As we progress spiritually, do we fear the unknown or the "new earth/5th demintional" transitions that the new age community have been discussing OR is that also a deception? If the circuits are open, do we have anything to fear?"

 

Safe to seek spiritual connections? No rebellious beings were ever or ever are within your mind or spirit circuits - not ever. Who are you trying to connect to?

 

UFOs are not "manifestations" - they are either unidentified and unexplained facts or they are not factual at all. What's to fear in either case? Seraphim seems more likely, if still unlikely and why fear any angels?

 

Mortal mind filled with fear, superstitions, imagination combined with a lack of knowledge is the source of self - "deception" - not the universe.

 

Please post a quote regarding the "new earth 5th dimensional transition" - whatever that means. Planetary progress is well defined in TUB, I must have missed that one or I don't understand the issue.

 

This book you say brings you faith should do just that. There is nothing to fear and all fear is evil (error within free will) and prevents progress. The tadpole will not get legs and feet by being afraid - first things first. Trust in God and His love and power and purpose and plan will eliminate all fear from all minds....eventuallly and absolutely. Peace.

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boom, do you have a passage to support this?

 

TUB does not say that there will never be another rebellion. Which is why Thurston's claim that evil will end when everyone looses sympathy for it is ludicrous. What TUB does say is that Michael now has the authority to immediately squelch any future rebellion, "summarily and effectively". Summarily means in a manner without the customary formalities.

 

134:8.9 On an afternoon in late summer, amid the trees and in the silence of nature, Michael of Nebadon won the unquestioned sovereignty of his universe. On that day he completed the task set for Creator Sons to live to the full the incarnated life in the likeness of mortal flesh on the evolutionary worlds of time and space. The universe announcement of this momentous achievement was not made until the day of his baptism, months afterward, but it all really took place that day on the mountain. And when Jesus came down from his sojourn on Mount Hermon, the Lucifer rebellionin Satania and the Caligastia secession on Urantia were virtually settled. Jesus had paid the last price required of him to attain the sovereignty of his universe, which in itself regulates the status of all rebels and determines that all such future upheavals (if they ever occur) may be dealt with summarily and effectively. Accordingly, it may be seen that the so-called “great temptation” of Jesus took place sometime before his baptism and not just after that event.

 

For me, the next thing I'd do, was look up info on the subject, and thus ran across biblical folks saying that it's fallen angels, so the next thing I do, is come here to this forum, to see your thoughts.

 

I just reread this part of marisa33's post and I think I'm beginning to get a glimpse of the alleged UFO/TUB connection. So, it's the fallen angel theory that connects UFO's to the Lucifer Rebellion then? Hmmmmm. Now that's a really strange twist of a hair's turning.

 

All of the angels involved in the rebellion are still detained.

 

53:9.1 Early in the days of the Lucifer rebellion, salvation was offered all rebels by Michael. To all who would show proof of sincere repentance, he offered, upon his attainment of complete universe sovereignty, forgiveness and reinstatement in some form of universe service. None of the leaders accepted this merciful proffer. But thousands of the angels and the lower orders of celestial beings, including hundreds of the Material Sons and Daughters, accepted the mercy proclaimed by the Panoptians and were given rehabilitation at the time of Jesus’ resurrection nineteen hundred years ago. These beings have since been transferred to the Father’s world of Jerusem, where they must be held, technically, until the Uversa courts hand down a decision in the matter of Gabriel vs. Lucifer. But no one doubts that, when the annihilation verdict is issued, these repentant and salvaged personalities will be exempted from the decree of extinction. These probationary souls now labor with the Panoptians in the work of caring for the Father’s world.

 

But here is the best evidence that no new angels have fallen:

 

53:9.5 Since Michael’s final bestowal no one in all Satania has desired to go to the prison worlds to minister to the interned rebels. And no more beings have been won to the deceiver’s cause. For nineteen hundred years the status has been unchanged.

 

 

Of course, skeptics and fearmongers might want to claim that this is not the case today, especially if the Lucifer Trial is over (which is something we cannot know), but given Michael's sovereignty and ability to deal with rebels summarily, it seems highly unlikely that such a thing, even if it did happen, would be allowed by our loving leader. He certainly would not allow any such disloyalty to impact a single soul. Not to mention the absolutely ludicrous idea that alien fallen angels would need a spacecraft. The whole thing sounds like a made for TV scary shaman show. It's not just poppycock, it's poopy-crock.

 

And while I'm on the subject of poopy-crock, when was the decision made that it's okay to talk about channeling on this forum? I have an enormous amount to say on the subject but have refrained from bringing it up because I thought it was against the rules. Have things changed around here? Am I free to bring up some history, like from the beginning of the human race, that illustrates why people are so drawn to it?

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And while I'm on the subject of poopy-crock, when was the decision made that it's okay to talk about channeling on this forum? I have an enormous amount to say on the subject but have refrained from bringing it up because I thought it was against the rules. Have things changed around here? Am I free to bring up some history, like from the beginning of the human race, that illustrates why people are so drawn to it?

 

It was made recently, and was debated by the moderators, still will be I'd say. To me, this thread has not been a good indicator of the contention that posting about channeling and ufos will decouple them from the revelation, notwithstanding some excellent commentary. The only thing I can see in its favor is that new readers might be forewarned....It has been a popular thread, but I keep asking, is it focused on UAI's central purpose for this Forum, study and spread of the new teachings? Admittedly this thread is an experiment, some members thought maybe it is better to allow presumed/quasi UB related discussions than to forbid them. Personally, and even more after this thread, do I like the idea that the Forum be one place in the U-community where channeling and ufos are NOT discussed. More later, as the staff wrestles with these matters that ever do pop up and demand decisions.

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To Sister Bonita's point, divining and fortune telling and oracling and spiritualism, or "contact" with spirits and dead folk is hardly new and is not specific to the bastardization and prostitution of the Revelation, eh? But it is a principal form of mind weakness and fantasy that many gravitate to for "answers" to life's mysteries. These folk and the UFOers and those who contend the battle of heaven wages on and the end is uncertain due to demons and devils and fallen angels and those who live by tarot, ouji, and the stars.....they are kindred spirits to the degree that they seek that which is greater from the lesser, eh? The real problem lies in laziness, not fantasm. Ascension requires transcendence and this takes work. I also sought out the man on the mountain to touch my mind and make me enlightened. He laughed and laughed, kindly and gently, full of mirth and patient pity!!! Then he sent me back to deal with reality saying.....it is not easy to provide for oneself and for others, but it is infinitely easier than enlightment Grasshopper! You will find that which you seek but not without great effort, focus, and persistance.

 

Those who seek understanding must have something real to ponder and experience, eh? And those who seek the Father will find Him regardless of facts or belief or understanding anything at all but one - Love is real, God is its source, within the feeling and giving of love lies the answer and the mystery - the only ones that truly matter.

 

Rick - tricky, tricky stuff. Don't envy your chore here. I love this site and mostly because it is the only site where most are experienced students and true believers in TUB. Other sites are the playgrounds of the disgruntled and deluded, bringing every form of twisted mortal fear based fantasms to the table. Perhaps the place for the weak of mind and heart to pull the threads of truth apart from the woven whole is somewhere else after all. All love, respect, and support to your team as you seek the wise and patient and loving way through this little conundrum. Peace.

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Hi Bonita,

 

TUB does not say that there will never be another rebellion. Which is why Thursto's claim that evil will end when everyone looses sympathy for it is ludicrous.

 

Can you point me to where Chuck Thurston makes such a claim? Are you attributing to Chuck some of the 40+ quoted UB paragraphs in his article? For those following this thread in text-only mode on some pod or pad device, maybe the quote indicators are not clear?

 

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Nigel

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What TUB does say is that Michael now has the authority to immediately squelch any future rebellion, "summarily and effectively". Summarily means in a manner without the customary formalities.

 

It does not negate the possibility that rebellion can always arise, even now. And none of us can put a time frame on "summarily." Summarily could mean 10, 100, 1000, 10000 years. It is open to interpretation. Unfortunately, the Celestial who brought this revelation does not define the time frame. And besides, the matter of Grabiel v Lucifer and Caligastia do not fall under Michael's jurisdiction. As it stands, Caligastia has not been taken into custody and Michael does not have the authority to do so.

 

 

 

All of the angels involved in the rebellion are still detained.

 

All angels involved in the initial rebellion of our system, I agree, with exception to Caligastia, who was given free reign to prosecute his rebellion even until now.

 

But here is the best evidence that no new angels have fallen:

 

53:9.5 Since Michael’s final bestowal no one in all Satania has desired to go to the prison worlds to minister to the interned rebels. And no more beings have been won to the deceiver’s cause. For nineteen hundred years the status has been unchanged.

 

How is this evidence, Bonita? The time frame given is the year 1900, which is a century ago. We are in 2012. What happened to 1901 - 2012? The status of any rebellion during this period is not provided. TUB does not account for the period after its revelation and eventual publication regarding post-Lucifer rebellion. But it does tell us Caligastia is free to pursue a rebellion.

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The question, "So what?", is begging for answer here. I agree with Bonita and Boom, but, so what? How would a new rebellion or continuation of rebellion affect us? Please describe what that would mean, if true? Love is false? God does not rule over all after all? Free will is a mistake? There are uncertainties to His plan and power? Our planet is doomed? We are doomed? Is God a fraud or myth? What is the point of the inquiry? If not in fear, then especially so what? Fear of all forms is error and prevents progress and dimminishes faith. Every choice made and every truth or falsehood embraced moves closer or further from universe reality. Nothing discovered in fear can survive temporal materialism as this is its very source....it is unreal, as in Not Real. Let's get real here. Fear is not real or true or helpful in any way but one.....to transcend it to faith, confidence, poise, and the discovery of the power and reality of love. Mature minds are not fearful or fretful. Fear is childish, not child like. To hold it tight is to lose the discernment required to discover truth, beauty, and goodness. Peace.

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foV, I don't think a rebellion should be taken lightly. Why did the revelators feel it important to reveal this history to us? They could have left it out the UB narrative and just reveal love, faith and those virtues that bring us to God. But such is not the case as there is more to the universe than virtues, realistically speaking.

 

We could use that history as a tool to empower mortals in face of possible new ones. Look at what happened on the mansion worlds even though they had knowledge to previous rebellions. Those worlds suffered significant lost of personalities. I could envision many denizens of those worlds using your very argument, you know.

 

As long as Caligastia is roaming the planet promoting his rebellion, we should not ignore it. Mortals need to be aware of rebellion, and build up better psychic defenses against Caligastia, especially those who have not attained their 3rd circle. And here's the tricky part, no one knows what psychic circle they are at! It is better to play it safe, right?

 

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I mentioned this somewhere, not sure if it was here. TAs speak to the superconscious of mind using embeds in the form of pictures. Caligastia knows this and I would not be surprised if he's employed a scheme to dupe many to the rebellion side by duplicating the function of TA. Has anyone heard of subliminal advertisements?

 

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I am new to this forum and I sincerely wish to follow the rules, so I don't mean to step outside the boundaries. It's hard to discuss a relevant topic, and leave out the WHY it's important for me to know, because it leaves everyone confused, with comments of "who cares", because I can't tell them why I care, since I have to leave the story out.

 

What I can tell you is this: I am a student of the Urantia and trust it more than any other source. As I am a mere human, the urantia could be telling me exactly what I need to know, but I may not get it...or even find it within the thousands of pages.

 

I am NOT a person who is INTO ufos or Channeling. I'm NOT facinated by it. I DON'T think it is a FUN topic; I am not drawn to it because of TV programs, I'm NOT seeking it....I just want to live a blissfully normal life.

 

But if it happens to you, would everyone agree that it is wise to understand and research what's going on? The first place I look to for understanding is The Urantia. However, I've been sidetracked to some biblical explanations, which (yes) did make me fearful.

 

So, this is why I ask.... have circuits been open? Are we safe? Is the war over or at it's height? From what I've read (forgive me If this is outside the rules, but I don't want to cause any more confusion), some of this is of spiritual nature (they are dimentional) and are appearing to MANY people. Some stories are positive and wonderful; some are not. Apparently, some are actually from other planets; some are spiritual. This is why the biblical community has mentioned the "spiritual war".

 

One biblical source said that there is a dimentional group, flying around, saying that Jesus is their master head and they are here in peace and wish to protect our society from nuclear dangers. Now, it sounds a little crazy, but despite that, these guys appear to people all over the world. So, the biblical community started talking about it, crying out "deception". For this reason, I duck my head, run inside, for fear (even though I should apparently not be fearful).

 

So, even though I'd love to befriend and open my heart to some "visitor". It seems wise to study, be aware and know what's going on. Thanks.

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Bonita knows more about this stuff than Thurston ever will and she has exhibited commendable restraint in all her years of participation this Forum just because we have managed to keep the "wolves away from the door." Now "the camel has his nose under the tent" and how do you "put the genie back into the bottle?"

 

This subject has been the cause of more dissension among the readers of the UB than any other and I've made my views clear on this. People should be free to think and say whatever they feel about the Urantia Book and listeners have the responsibility to parse the truth, themselves. But not here, please.

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