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hello, sometimes you must go and stand in the dark to see the light. peace be with you

 

That's much like the following:

 

48:7.15 13. Stars are best discerned from the lonely isolation of experiential depths, not from the illuminated and ecstatic mountain tops.

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What do you mean, if you miss a prayer? Do you mean a formal prayer? Isn't your entire life supposed to be one never-ending prayer?

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hello,

 

it is necesary to listen what other people say to you about you. it is hard to discern which comments are honest but it is the only way to fix your own behavior.

 

peace be with you

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I was just thinking about this today, myself. Hmmm.

 

Example: My girlfriend just changed her whole outlook on life: She lost 40 pounds, became a vegan, exercises strenuously every day, does yoga, takes all kinds of herbs and supplements and claims to have a renewed sense of youth and vigor.

 

This is all good and I'm happy for her, even though I know it's all about her mid-life crisis and the need to stay in control. But now she ridicules me for being tired, fat and lazy. Is she right or is she being self-righteous? I'm perfectly happy being tired, fat and lazy. Does she see me as I really am or the way she would like me to be according to her own outlook on life?

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well I never cared if someone called me chubby, or tell me anything about my phisical looks.

But when someone tells me that I'm not fair or being angry without any good reason, that makes me wonder Is it true?

Do I need to work onthis topic?

Phisical looks is not such a big consern for me because it will stay here on Urantia,

and Personality is totaly different thing. It goes with you to the journey for Paradise.

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But when someone tells me that I'm not fair or being angry without any good reason, that makes me wonder Is it true?

Do I need to work onthis topic?

 

This is something that each person has to decide for himself, but I think that there are some guidelines available which I have learned from personal experience. And from here I will describe how it works with me; whether or not it will be the same for everyone, I cannot say with certainty.

 

If someone chastises me by pointing out a character flaw, I generally do not brush it off for three reasons: 1) they might be right about me; 2) they may be telling me something about themselves; 3) they might be telling me something about our relationship. All of these things are important to me.

 

If the criticism is aimed at my character, then that is a serious matter. If the comment is something trivial like, "You're overly obsessed with cleanliness," then I ignore it or laugh it off. I know that cleanliness is not a character flaw and if I am truly obsessed with it, then it is my business and no one else's. However, if my habits are ruining my relationship with someone, then something has to be done about it. Either the other person cleans up or I loosen up, or a combination of the two.

 

If someone levies a harsh criticism at my character such as, "You're an arrogant, egotistical elitist," I also ignore it and laugh it off because I know that when those allegations are being made, it's usually the other person with the problem.

 

Then there are those times when some comment comes your way and it wakes you up to your behavior in a way that you didn't see before, or a problem you knew you had but didn't realize that others noticed, cared or were affected by it. These rebukes usually sting, they have an element of truth to them that is easily recognizable and generally it is something that you've been hearing the little voice in your head tell you to pay attention to, but have ignored.

 

As an example: Just recently I overheard my aforementioned friend tell another friend that I am very negative about the community chorus we all sing in. Well that stung a little because in my heart I know she's right. At the time, I thought we were all dissatisfied and looking for a new chorus. When I thought about it, it was really just me being negative because my heart was not in it anymore. The other two were not exactly happy, but satisfied. What I thought was convivial complaining really wasn't. I had to take that criticism very, very seriously. My behavior was affecting others in a negative way and the problem was solely mine in that I was having trouble wholeheartedly engaging in the activity. It presents as a major decision on my part, maybe even a circle-making one, one which I continue to struggle with even though I know the right answer in my heart. Now that I've discovered this and recognized it, I have to interpret and choose the higher, more ideal thing to do. It's not always easy to be honest with your true self; indifference and indecision are much easier.

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Hello,

 

This year I had few funurals. This was all parents from my friends.

Altough now I know this should be moment of joy because I know that their soul started great journey,

I felt great compasion for greaving friends which make me sad because I couldn't comfort them at this moment.

So I preyed for them that Father comfort their souls and they would feel better.

I hope my prey helped.

 

Peace be with you

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Surely that has helped Pike!

Sometimes you feel we can not talk directly to people, because it is not appropriate or because they do not understand.

Then I do the same as you. In silence and solitude pray for them, or just talk to them as if they were present (which is also a form of personal prayer) and I think I've helped several times because I could see the change in them.

And I tell you this is for any conflict situation in which the person is.

 

Peace be with you

 

 

Alina

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144:4.6 Jesus consistently employed the beneficial influence of praying for one’s fellows. The Master usually prayed in the plural, not in the singular. Only in the great crises of his earth life did Jesus ever pray for himself.

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144:4.6 Jesus consistently employed the beneficial influence of praying for one’s fellows. The Master usually prayed in the plural, not in the singular. Only in the great crises of his earth life did Jesus ever pray for himself.

 

Excuse me, but I think that the quote has no relation to the experience told by Pike!

 

Greetings,

 

Alina

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Excuse me, but I think that the quote has no relation to the experience told by Pike!

 

Greetings,

 

Alina

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Why not?

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Why not?

 

Because when family, friends, or self is in trouble there is nothing to prevent us from increasing prayers by such person or persons especially! Is not it? Jesus also prayed for his disciples and family, this does not mean that daily also we pray for all our fellow.

It seems logical and desable so be it. We should not take in isolation the teachings of Jesus, there He not wanted us to live his life as is but rather to do our own experience. based on their teaching of Truth, Beauty, Goodness: Love to all and to each.Give us like what we've been able to receiveProvide either individually or collectively. Depends, is relative, according to circumstances.

 

 

(1095.5) 100:2.1 Spiritual development depends, first, on the maintenance of a living spiritual connection with true spiritual forces and, second, on the continuous bearing of spiritual fruit: yielding the ministry to one’s fellows of that which has been received from one’s spiritual benefactors...

 

 

Alina

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Jesus prayed for other people and we should also. TUB says, "Jesus consistently employed the beneficial influence of praying for one’s fellows".

 

We are not talking about worship here. Worship has no element of interest for self or for others, only for God. We are talking about prayer, and we are told that praying for one's fellows has a beneficial influence.

 

Here is another quote where it says that Jesus prayed for others:

 

130:1.3 Gadiah was mightily moved by Jesus’ teaching, and they talked long into the night by the seaside, and before they went to their lodgings, they prayed together and for each other.

 

Praying for others is something that Jesus both taught and did. We are told to look at what he did more than what he taught, and Jesus prayed for others. So should we.

 

p2088:5 196:0.10 When you study the career of the Master, as concerns prayer or any other feature of the religious life, look not so much for what he taught as for what he did.

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144:4.6 Jesus consistently employed the beneficial influence of praying for one’s fellows. The Master usually prayed in the plural, not in the singular. Only in the great crises of his earth life did Jesus ever pray for himself.

 

Yes ... Bonita ... is precisely what I was saying! :( :) in contrast to first quote! (above) which seemed to mean that Jesus prayed only for fellow! but never by a person or group of persons specially...

 

Greetings,

 

 

Alina

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Yes ... Bonita ... is precisely what I was saying! :( :) in contrast to first quote! (above) which seemed to mean that Jesus prayed only for fellow! but never by a person or group of persons specially...

 

Greetings,

 

 

Alina

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So if you agree, why, when Pike said this: "I felt great compasion for greaving friends which make me sad because I couldn't comfort them at this moment. So I preyed for them that Father comfort their souls and they would feel better."

 

And I offered the quote saying that Jesus employs the beneficial influence of praying for one's fellows, (which is what Pike did),

 

Did you say this: "Excuse me, but I think that the quote has no relation to the experience told by Pike!"

 

First you disagree with the quote and now you agree???? I'm confused. :wacko: :blink: Which one is it?

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So if you agree, why, when Pike said this: "I felt great compasion for greaving friends which make me sad because I couldn't comfort them at this moment. So I preyed for them that Father comfort their souls and they would feel better."

 

And I offered the quote saying that Jesus employs the beneficial influence of praying for one's fellows, (which is what Pike did),

 

Did you say this: "Excuse me, but I think that the quote has no relation to the experience told by Pike!"

 

First you disagree with the quote and now you agree???? I'm confused. :wacko: :blink: Which one is it?

 

 

Because as you gave no explanation, I thought you would reply to Pike say that was not right, as praying only for all fellow ... (sometimes I do not understand much to Pike)

But it is understood ... :rolleyes:

By the way. Today I learned that we should meet personally :D because the inconvenience of the forums is that sometimes the messages get distorted a little,either because we do not want them too long, or because did not understand, or for many reasons.

But is a useful medio of communication.

 

Thanks!

 

 

 

 

Alina

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Hello,

 

watch the world around you very carefully.

Some things you will see only once in you Urantian life.

 

Peace be with you

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