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The Venn diagram is an aid to understanding the various factors of creature personhood to help me visualize where the parts and pieces fit in into the whole schematically. And since we're talking about something living, account should be taken that there are areas of interassociation and melding in the factors previously mentioned: the himan mind, the divine spirit, personality, and the relationship between the material mind and the divine spirit. Personality unifies and coordinates these various factors, and, there are still other spiritual influences conspiring to help us emerge from the cocoon of the material mindedness, as have been mentioned. We have an awful lot of help! Human life manifests personality in embryonic form. Yet the material self has personality and identity - temporal identity.

 

P.71 - §2
The material self has personality and identity, temporal identity; the prepersonal spirit Adjuster also has identity, eternal identity. This material personality and this spirit prepersonality are capable of so uniting their creative attributes as to bring into existence the surviving identity of the immortal soul.

 

Jseus said this in his discourse on time and space:

 

P.1439 - §2
On the inhabited worlds, human personality (indwelt and oriented by the Paradise Father's spirit) is the only physically related reality which can transcend the material sequence of temporal events.

 

 

We will leave behind, when we leave Urantia, the temporal parts, including the organismic forms (the temporal organism) made possible by the plans and activites of the Life Carriers, as well as mortal mind - the temporary intellect system. While living on Urantia, we ring a cosmic bell every time we so fully conform the material self (has mind and and has personality) to one's Adjuster's mind. The Adjuster prepersonal will attains to personality expression for that particular project. (See P.1205) When the material self does not comform to the leadings of the Adjuster, no cosmic bell rings, so to speak.

 

Regarding personality in its embryonic form here on Urantia, the revelators tell us this:

 

P.1108 - §2
It is this same spirit personality, in primitive and embryonic form, the Adjuster possession of which survives the natural death in the flesh. This composite entity of spirit origin in association with human experience is enabled, by means of the living way provided by the divine Sons, to survive (in Adjuster custody) the dissolution of the material self of mind and matter when such a transient partnership of the material and the spiritual is divorced by the cessation of vital motion.

 

In the morontia life, the next life from here, the soul will begin its second generation. But at the same time when we begin on the morontia worlds, one's personality first begins its manifestions! No wonder we have a hard time figuring out personality.

 

P.1459 - §6
The concealed seed of the human soul is an immortal spirit. The second generation of the soul is the first of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences, terminating only when this divine entity attains the source of its existence, the personal source of all existence, God, the Universal Father.

 

Concealed and waiting to be revealed. . . .

 

All the best,

Mererdith

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In the morontia life, the next life from here, the soul will begin its second generation. But at the same time when we begin on the morontia worlds, one's personality first begins its manifestions! No wonder we have a hard time figuring out personality.

 

P.1459 - §6
The concealed seed of the human soul is an immortal spirit. The second generation of the soul is the first of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences, terminating only when this divine entity attains the source of its existence, the personal source of all existence, God, the Universal Father.

 

Naaaww! You're not reading that quote right. What they mean by manifestation is incarnation. The second generation is the first of a succession of incarnations but that doesn't mean that there isn't a first generation personality manifestation, which would be a human one here on earth. Personality begins to function in the seventh psychic circle and continues to function in a series of manifestations, or incarnations, until the seventh spirit stage of finalitiers.

 

110:6.1 The sum total of personality realization on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality. Entrance upon the seventh circle marks the beginning of true human personality function.

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Naaaww! You're not reading that quote right. What they mean by manifestation is incarnation. The second generation is the first of a succession of incarnations but that doesn't mean that there isn't a first generation personality manifestation, which would be a human one here on earth. Personality begins to function in the seventh psychic circle and continues to function in a series of manifestations, or incarnations, until the seventh spirit stage of finalitiers.

 

110:6.1 The sum total of personality realization on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality. Entrance upon the seventh circle marks the beginning of true human personality function.

 

I'm not convinced they mean incarnation.
:)
Incarnation means something else entirely. In the references I've checked out so far on the subject of "incarnation" in the UB, the divine beings of which they speak, such as the Melchizedeks, the Michaels, and the Avonals, incarnate in the likeness of lower orders of created beings for some designed purpose or reason. And when they have finished the assignment, they take up where they left off (I'm only guessing about this), but likely after an incarnation assignment, they receive honor and glory and probably a pay raise (just kidding). All kidding aside, I think their status changes after an incarnation assignment. Michael's did. He became a Master Michael, Local Universe sovereign of Nebadon, Christ Michael.

 

P.86 - §5
The Eternal Son comes not to mortal man as the divine will, the Thought Adjuster indwelling the human mind, but the Eternal Son did come to mortal man on Urantia when the divine
personality
of his Son, Michael of Nebadon, incarnated in the human nature of Jesus of Nazareth. To share the experience of created personalities, the Paradise Sons of God must assume the very natures of such creatures and incarnate their divine personalities as the actual creatures themselves. Incarnation, the secret of Sonarington, is the technique of the Son's escape from the otherwise all-encompassing fetters of personality absolutism.

 

We humans are ascending mortals and start life on the lowest rung of the personality scale. We are now living life in the flesh, but we leave it behind when the last human breath is exhaled and go to the next higher rung on the mansion worlds. We have far, far to go and many, many changes ahead. We have universities upon universities to attend and many degrees to ascend and many tests to take. We might go back and lend a helping hand to lower orders someday, but I am of the opinion that we will go as ourselves (one will go as oneself) on assignment and not incarnate in the likeness of a lower order of being. I'm just guessing.

 

P.431 - §2
The angels cannot transport combustion bodies--flesh and blood--such as you now have, but they can transport all others, from the lowest morontia to the higher spirit forms. They do not function in the event of natural death. When you finish your earthly career, your body remains on this planet. Your Thought Adjuster proceeds to the bosom of the Father, and these angels are not directly concerned in your subsequent personality reassembly on the identification mansion world. There your new body is a morontia form, one that can enseraphim. You "sow a mortal body" in the grave; you "reap a morontia form" on the mansion worlds.

 

And,

 

P.539 - §2
You will greatly enjoy your progress through the seven dematerializing worlds; they are really demortalizing spheres. You are mostly human on the first mansion world, just a mortal being minus a material body, a human mind housed in a morontia form--a material body of the morontia world but not a mortal house of flesh and blood. You really pass from the mortal state to the immortal status at the time of Adjuster fusion, and by the time you have finished the Jerusem career, you will be full-fledged morontians.

 

Isn't this reference interesting?

 

P.483 - §11
Likewise does the morontia mind individualize the morontia form for all mortal survivors. As the mortal body is personal and characteristic for every human being, so will the morontia form be highly individual and adequately characteristic of the creative mind which dominates it. No two morontia forms are any more alike than any two human bodies.

 

And this. . .

 

P.483 - §11
And after the morontia life it will be found that spirit forms are equally diverse, personal, and characteristic of their respective spirit-mind indwellers.

 

At this point I'm sticking with manifestation, not incarnation.

 

The
second generation of the soul is the first of a succession of personality manifestations
of spiritual and progressing existences. . . .
P.1459 - §6

 

All the best,

Meredith

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I'm not convinced they mean incarnation. :) Incarnation means something else entirely.

 

Okay, so incarnation is not the right word, but the point I am trying to make is that the first manifestation of personality does not take place on the morontia spheres as you indicated. The first manifestation of personality occurs here on earth with the morontia body being the first of a series of manifestations after death, the second generation. The quote is talking about after death. This next quote states that personality is first manifest as human, meaning here on earth, then after death there is a new vehicle for personality manifestation. And that is what your quote was talking about. The new vehicle is the first in a succession or series of 570 manifestations.

 

112:5.4 Human beings possess identity only in the material sense. Such qualities of the self are expressed by the material mind as it functions in the energy system of the intellect. When it is said that man has identity, it is recognized that he is in possession of a mind circuit which has been placed in subordination to the acts and choosing of the will of the
human personality
. But this is a material and purely
temporary manifestation
, just as the human embryo is a transient parasitic stage of human life. Human beings, from a cosmic perspective, are born, live, and die in a relative instant of time; they are not enduring. But mortal personality, through its own choosing, possesses the power of transferring its seat of identity from the passing material-intellect system to the higher morontia-soul system which, in association with the Thought Adjuster, is created as a
new vehicle for personality manifestation.

 

48:1.5When you traverse the morontia life of Nebadon, these same patient and skillful Morontia Power Supervisors will
successively provide you with 570 morontia bodies, each one a phase of your progressive transformation.

 

It's a minor point but I want to make sure that you understand what I'm talking about, that the personality's first manifestation is here and now not on the mansion worlds. I really do think you just misread that quote. Here's what you wrote:

 

In the morontia life, the next life from here, the soul will begin its second generation. But at the same time when we begin on the morontia worlds, one's personality first begins its manifestions! No wonder we have a hard time figuring out personality

 

Here's the full quote you were referring to:

 

132:3.6 Faith acts to release the superhuman activities of the divine spark, the immortal germ, that lives within the mind of man, and which is the potential of eternal survival. Plants and animals survive in time by the technique of passing on from one generation to another identical particles of themselves. The human soul (personality) of man survives mortal death by identity association with this indwelling spark of divinity, which is immortal, and which functions to perpetuate the human personality upon a continuing and higher level of progressive universe existence. The concealed seed of the human soul is an immortal spirit.
The second generation of the soul is the first of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences
, terminating only when this divine entity attains the source of its existence, the personal source of all existence, God, the Universal Father.

 

What the quote is saying is that the second generation of the soul is the first in a series of progressing manifestations of the soul and the personality after death. Remember, the first generation is the first manifestation of the personality meant for the purpose of growing a soul in the first place. The second generation is the first manifestation of the personality where it is fully conscious of the soul, the material mind that contributed to its growth being gone. So, the the soul-personality manifestation is the first of that type, the type after death. The personality manifestation we have now is temporary, but it is a personality manifestation none the less and it is the first and only one of the first generation.

 

Which brings us back to the Venn diagram. In our current manifestation of personality, the material mind is shrinking in significance while the soul is growing until we no longer have that left hand circle. Then our personality becomes fully identified with the soul and moves to the second generation of manifestation . . . fusion and morontiaville. If we don't fuse, the second generation begins with the soul at the size we grew it in our first personality manifestation.

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I really do think you just misread that quote. Here's what you wrote:

 

Here's the full quote you were referring to:

 

132:3.6 Faith acts to release the superhuman activities of the divine spark, the immortal germ, that lives within the mind of man, and which is the potential of eternal survival. Plants and animals survive in time by the technique of passing on from one generation to another identical particles of themselves. The human soul (personality) of man survives mortal death by identity association with this indwelling spark of divinity, which is immortal, and which functions to perpetuate the human personality upon a continuing and higher level of progressive universe existence. The concealed seed of the human soul is an immortal spirit.
The second generation of the soul is the first of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences
, terminating only when this divine entity attains the source of its existence, the personal source of all existence, God, the Universal Father.

 

What the quote is saying is that the second generation of the soul is the first in a series of progressing manifestations of the soul and the personality after death. Remember, the first generation is the first manifestation of the personality meant for the purpose of growing a soul in the first place. The second generation is the first manifestation of the personality where it is fully conscious of the soul, the material mind that contributed to its growth being gone. So, the the soul-personality manifestation is the first of that type, the type after death. The personality manifestation we have now is temporary, but it is a personality manifestation none the less and it is the first and only one of the first generation.

 

Hi Bonita,

 

I do understand what you are saying about personality. Maybe my wording wasn't perfect in my expression of thought. It is interesting to note the bestowal of personality is antecedent to (and independent of) the bestowal of the Thought Adjuster (though I would like to know exactly when one gets one’s personality).

 

P.194 - §3
Personality is a unique endowment of original nature whose existence is independent of, and antecedent to, the bestowal of the Thought Adjuster. Nevertheless, the presence of the Adjuster does augment the qualitative manifestation of personality. Thought Adjusters, when they come forth from the Father, are identical in nature, but personality is diverse, original, and exclusive; and the manifestation of personality is further conditioned and qualified by the nature and qualities of the associated energies of a material, mindal, and spiritual nature which constitute the organismal vehicle for personality manifestation.

 

It is odd to me that they did not say, “The second generation of the soul is the second of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences. . . ." What can this mean? I know there is something more to learn about this.

 

On our world of nativity, Urantia, we humans are of flesh, bones and blood - living electrochemical mechanisms. We are animal-origin creatures. The life we now live is the only time we will live in earthy material form, as material organisms - organisms that function pretty well, all things considered. In other respects though, we humans aren’t so very. . . . well, I want to say “civilized” in terms of demonstrating brotherly love, for example, or demonstrating the living of the golden rule. We get one whack at an initial life of material existence, and this is it, as far as mortal planetary life is concerned.

 

P.158 - §4
On Urantia you pass through a short and intense test during your initial life of material existence. On the mansion worlds and up through your system, constellation, and local universe, you traverse the morontia phases of ascension. On the training worlds of the superuniverse you pass through the true spirit stages of progression and are prepared for eventual transit to Havona. On the seven circuits of Havona your attainment is intellectual, spiritual, and experiential. And there is a definite task to be achieved on each of the worlds of each of these circuits.

 

On Urantia humans personality is enshrouded in the material flesh, until personality is revealed for the first time on the mansion worlds and in a morontia form, as noted in the following reference:

 

P.1235 - §5
Just as a butterfly emerges from the caterpillar stage, so will the true personalities of human beings emerge on the mansion worlds, for the first time revealed apart from their onetime enshroudment in the material flesh. The morontia career in the local universe has to do with the continued elevation of the personality mechanism from the beginning morontia level of soul existence up to the final morontia level of progressive spirituality.

 

Personality is a mechanism they tell us. While the personality “mechanism” is bestowed on an animal origin creature, it is enshrouded. Perhaps the enshroudment conceals personality during life as a human. Or maybe personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences cannot be seen, until the morontia phases of living are taken up. After all, getting resurrected in Mansonia is a really big deal. A jubilee. Our eyes are really going to open up when we wake up over there. That’s when we’re going to experience survival and begin to comprehend some of the things we are now studying so feverently.

 

Some kind of personality mechanism elevation occurs in the morontia career. ("The morontia career in the local universe has to do with the continued elevation of the personality mechanism from the beginning morontia level of soul existence up to the final morontia level of progressive spirituality.") I don't know what this means. Maybe it has something to do with power, as in power-personality. For sure it has something to do with progressive spirituality manifested 570 times, if not more.

 

 

All the best,

Meredith

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Personality is a mechanism they tell us

 

Actually you are you're personality. You are not a mechanism.

 

 

5:6.4 The bestowal of personality is the exclusive function of the Universal Father, the personalization of the living energy systems which he endows with the attributes of relative creative consciousness and the freewill control thereof. There is no personality apart from God the Father, and no personality exists except for God the Father. The fundamental attributes of human selfhood, as well as the absolute Adjuster nucleus of the human personality, are the bestowals of the Universal Father, acting in his exclusively personal domain of cosmic ministry.

 

Personality is what makes you real its who you are. It/you is lord over all your realms mindal and spiritual hahaha. God is a person/personality, personality is what its all about. Where it not for the personality of the creator all philosophy would have to be Panthiesm.

 

For me etleast perhaps the most miraculous attribute of god is that he is a infinite personality. Man and women both get their personality directly from the father and so in terms of personality the only personality that exists is the father's personality and threw father-identification we realize that he is our literal biological father both because of spirit (thought adjuster) and personality bestowal.

 

When the u.b talks about forming a person relationship between 2 beings they are saying between 2 person's/personality's. If you discover the personality of god you find literally everything.

 

I would say that perhaps only those who are using the 3 cosmic intuition's are really living/ really using their personality to its maximum potential for this life in the flesh. Everyone has a personality its just I believe if we only live as animal's than we are not actually utilizing our personality, we are just acting and re-acting.

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Actually you are you're personality. You are not a mechanism.

 

Thanks Boom. I did look more into this "personality mechanism" and the mechanism part has to do with the all the parts and pieces that go into the morontia form in which personality exists. And the form or mechanism needs to be re-keyed from time to time to synchronize with advancing morontia life. Maybe that's what they mean by "the continued elevation of the personality mechanism. . . ."

P.544 - §4 6.
Selective Assorters
. As you progress from one class or phase of a morontia world to another, you must be re-keyed or advance-tuned, and it is the task of the selective assorters to keep you in progressive synchrony with the morontia life.

 

All the best,

Meredith

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It is interesting to note the bestowal of personality is antecedent to (and independent of) the bestowal of the Thought Adjuster (though I would like to know exactly when one gets one’s personality).

 

I've been wondering that myself for a long time. I keep going back to the phenomenon of Michael's incarnation. Gabriel appeared to Mary immediately after conception to announce that the personality of Michael, to be named Joshua, was incarnate in her womb. One has to speculate that his personality was present in the embryo partaking in the creation of his own physical form. That being said, it's possible that only Creator Sons can do this and it doesn't apply to mere mortals. TUB says that Michael surrendered his consciousness of personality in order to incarnate and then gradually regained consciousness of it (120:3.10). So, I don't know how that applies to us since we don't exist prior to conception as Michael did.

 

122:5.6 Mary alternated between believing and doubting, being greatly influenced by the position taken by her other children and by her friends and relatives, but always was she steadied in her final attitude by the memory of Gabriel’s appearance to her
immediately after the child was conceived
.

 

(((Incidentally, according to the dates given, Jesus was a late baby, by a week or two, which is typical of first pregnancies.)))

 

Another thing that gives a clue is what Jesus said to Ganid. He said that as soon as an animal develops self-consciousness, it becomes a primitive human, meaning that the animal has personality. But how do you measure self-consciousness? Is a human fetus self-conscious? Jesus goes on to say that self-consciousness comes when impersonal energy coordinates in function with a mind level capable of conceiving spirit. One would think that would be the first moral decision, but is it based upon potential capability/capacity or the actual function? If you have to make a decision for this to happen and decision making is part of personality, you'd think that personality presence would precede the making of a moral decision. Of course, TUB also mentions partial-will too. So, I really don't know, and I don't think we're supposed to know . . . yet, anyway. It's bugging me because a few weeks ago I read something that gave me a breakthrough thought on the subject, but I didn't write it down and having had brain damage, I don't remember a thing about it. That thought will come back though; it eventually does.

 

133:7.6  My son, I have already told you much about the mind of man and the divine spirit that lives therein, but now let me emphasize that self-consciousness is a reality.
When any animal becomes self-conscious, it becomes a primitive man
. Such an attainment results from a
co-ordination of function between impersonal energy and spirit-conceiving mind,
and it is this phenomenon which warrants the bestowal of an absolute focal point for the human personality, the spirit of the Father in heaven.

 

What we do know for certain is that the personality does not actually function (in a cosmic sense) until entering the seventh psychic circle, and for us, that is when the Adjuster arrives. Not even Michael's personality fully functioned until his Adjuster arrived. Until then, Immanuel said he would "vouch" for Michael's personality.

 

120:2.9It will ever be within your power-of-will to terminate the incarnation at any moment subsequent to the arrival of your Thought Adjuster.
Prior to the arrival and reception of the Adjuster I will vouch for your personality integrity
.

 

It is odd to me that they did not say, “The second generation of the soul is the second of a succession of personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences. . . ." What can this mean? I know there is something more to learn about this.

 

Yeah, it would have been clearer if they said the second generation of the soul is the first of 570 successive personality manifestations . . . but who am I to tell the revelators what to do . . . pretty cocky I'd say.

 

Personality is a mechanism they tell us. While the personality “mechanism” is bestowed on an animal origin creature, it is enshrouded. Perhaps the enshroudment conceals personality during life as a human. Or maybe personality manifestations of spiritual and progressing existences cannot be seen, until the morontia phases of living are taken up. After all, getting resurrected in Mansonia is a really big deal. A jubilee. Our eyes are really going to open up when we wake up over there. That’s when we’re going to experience survival and begin to comprehend some of the things we are now studying so feverently.

 

No, personality is pattern. The mechanism is the material energy vehicle on which the pattern of personality is bestowed. Personality determines how the material energy vehicle is arranged. Then . . . when the Adjuster arrives, he augments the qualitative manifestation of the personality. That means the personality is then capable of functioning as a cosmic identity capable of recognizing value.

 

p483:9 42:12.2 But the presence phenomenon of a personality or the pattern of an identity, as such,
is not a manifestation of energy, either physical, mindal, or spiritual
. The personality form is
the
pattern
aspect
of a living being; it connotes the [
i]arrangement of energies
[/i]
, and this, plus life and motion, is the mechanism of creature existence.

 

p10:4 0:6.12 In contrast to the aspect of the total,
pattern discloses the individual aspect of energy and of personality
.
Personality or identity forms are patterns
resultant
from
energy (physical, spiritual, or mindal) but are
not inherent therein
. That quality of energy or of personality by virtue of which pattern is caused to appear may be attributed to God—Deity—to Paradise force endowment, to the
coexistence of personality and power
.

 

Some kind of personality mechanism elevation occurs in the morontia career. ("The morontia career in the local universe has to do with the continued elevation of the personality mechanism from the beginning morontia level of soul existence up to the final morontia level of progressive spirituality.") I don't know what this means. Maybe it has something to do with power, as in power-personality. For sure it has something to do with progressive spirituality manifested 570 times, if not more.

 

Yes, but the mechanism for personality elevation begins here on earth. The morontia career begins here. And that mechanism is called the PSYCHIC CIRCLES, or cosmic circles since they involve the cosmic mind (psyche). Personality elevation is another term for personality perfection or personality realization.

 

110:6.1 The sum total of
personality realization
on a material world is contained within the successive conquest of the
seven psychic circles of mortal potentiality
. Entrance upon the seventh circle marks the beginning of true human personality function. Completion of the first circle denotes the relative maturity of the mortal being. Though the traversal of the seven circles of cosmic growth does not equal fusion with the Adjuster, the mastery of these circles marks the attainment of those steps which are preliminary to Adjuster fusion.

 

136:2.3 Ordinarily, when a mortal of the realm attains such high levels of
personality perfection
, there occur those preliminary phenomena of
spiritual elevation
which terminate in eventual fusion of the matured soul of the mortal with its associated divine Adjuster. And such a change was apparently due to take place in the personality experience of Jesus of Nazareth on that very day when he went down into the Jordan with his two brothers to be baptized by John.

 

1:0.3 God-knowing creatures have only one supreme ambition, just one consuming desire, and that is to become, as they are in their spheres, like him as he is in his Paradise
perfection of personality
and in his universal sphere of
righteous supremacy
.

 

1:0.5 Urantia mortals can hardly hope to be perfect in the infinite sense, but it is entirely possible for human beings, starting out as they do on this planet, to attain the supernal and divine goal which the infinite God has set for mortal man; and when they do achieve this destiny, they will, in all that pertains to self-realization and mind attainment, be just as replete in their sphere of divine perfection as God himself is in his sphere of infinity and eternity. SSuch perfection may not be universal in the material sense, unlimited in intellectual grasp, or final in spiritual experience, but it is final and complete in all finite aspects of divinity of will,
perfection of personality motivation
, and God-consciousness.

 

112:1.5 Personality has a
perfected range of cosmic dimensional performance
. The dimensions of finite personality are three, and they are roughly functional as follows:

 

1. Length represents direction and nature of progression—movement through space and according to time—evolution.

2. Vertical depth embraces the organismal drives and attitudes, the varying levels of self-realization and the general phenomenon of reaction to environment.

3. Breadth embraces the domain of co-ordination, association, and selfhood organization.

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