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Bill Martin

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  1. I didn't think this site was still up. I see familiar faces on the new site and activity. Thanks for your tireless and fruitful efforts, brother. Bill M.
  2. "Different strokes for different folks..." Our neighbors have evolved a healthier outlet for the natural competitive urges: Two hundred years ago the profit motive was wholly dominant in industry, but today it is being rapidly displaced by other and higher driving forces. Competition P.814 - §0 is keen on this continent, but much of it has been transferred from industry to play, skill, scientific achievement, and intellectual attainment. It is most active in social service and governmental loyalty. Among this people public service is rapidly becoming the chief goal of ambition. The richest man on the continent works six hours a day in the office of his machine shop and then hastens over to the local branch of the school of statesmanship, where he seeks to qualify for public service. Like you say Bonita, It is difficult to perceive because we are in the middle of it all. Spiritual transformation will lead a person to give another "the shirt off their back." I don't believe it is correct to call that communism, it is love. And is it not enlightened and proper for an individual to make that decision to give away what they don't, couldn't possibly use? Or is it put to better use by putting it into trust for future generations of ones own bloodlines. Bill Gates trying to address the need for better waste disposal, the design of a better toilet, for the world seems to me of much greater good for a greater number, than protecting an ongoing class of trust fund babies who were given what their ancestors worked hard to get. Don't take umbrage with me. I am talking about individual rights, decisions and spiritual transformation that leads one to understand Jesus' injunction "It is more blessed to give than receive." "These people are also beginning to foster a new form of social disgust--disgust for both idleness and unearned wealth. Slowly but certainly they are conquering their machines. Once they, too, struggled for political liberty and subsequently for economic freedom. Now are they entering upon the enjoyment of both while in addition they are beginning to appreciate their well-earned leisure, which can be devoted to increased self-realization."(72-5)
  3. At Lake Urmia, Jesus said,"P.1489 - §3 Peace will not come to Urantia until every so-called sovereign nation surrenders its power to make war into the hands of a representative government of all mankind." Countries will "look out for their own" and deny social responsibility for what befalls those in other polities and places. In the case of Climate change, food shortages and more immediate and threatening, water shortages, will bring continuous war to this planet. When China can no longer feed its people, they will "take over" Thailand's "rice bowl" just as they have seized control of all the water in Asia and are redirecting it northward to farm their arid North.Our current social and governmental structures have not the flexibility necessary to adapt to the changes and face the stresses of the 21st Century.P.1013 - §9 "Modern man is confronted with the task of making more readjustments of human values in one generation than have been made in two thousand years. And this all influences the social attitude toward religion, for religion is a way of living as well as a technique of thinking." Social responsibility of the highest and most inspiring order is appearing in Plutocrats such as Bill Gates and Warren Buffett giving all their wealth to charity causes. The embarassment of dying "filthy rich" does not appeal to these enlightened masters of Capitalism and it is my hope that their example will inspire (or embarass) others to emulate their behavior. Having more than you could possibly need should not inspire self-respect. "But every one who hears this charge and sincerely executes his commission to represent me before men even as I have represented my Father to you, shall find an abundant entrance into my service and into the kingdom of the heavenly Father."
  4. He came from Paradise into the time-space universe to replicate in time what He knows in Eternity. Although not pre-existential or post eternal, He will always be my first Father. The part of the Master we call soul probably belongs to the Immanence of the Projected Incomplete. Who knows what will happen with this soul substance in the ages to come. Perhaps this essence of existential divinity will someday be personalized and play a role in the Supreme-Ultimate Transcendental levels of the "future." I know it is too good to "put on a shelf." P.56 - §2 There is also an organic unity in the universes of time and space which seems to underlie the whole fabric of cosmic events. This living presence of the evolving Supreme Being, this Immanence of the Projected Incomplete, is inexplicably manifested ever and anon by what appears to be an amazingly fortuitous co-ordination of apparently unrelated universe happenings. This must be the function of Providence--the realm of the Supreme Being and the Conjoint Actor. P.1291 - §10 It may be that on the upper limits of the finite, where time conjoins transcended time, there is some sort of blurring and blending of sequence. It may be that the Supreme is able to forecast his universe presence onto these supertime levels and then to a limited degree anticipate future evolution by reflecting this future forecast back to the created levels as the Immanence of the Projected Incomplete. Such phenomena may be observed wherever finite makes contact with superfinite, as in the experiences of human beings who are indwelt by Thought Adjusters that are veritable predictions of man's future universe attainments throughout all eternity." Transcendentals are subinfinite and subabsolute but superfinite and supercreatural. Transcendentals eventuate as an integrating level correlating the supervalues of absolutes with the maximum values of finites. From the creature standpoint, that which is transcendental would appear to have eventuated as a consequence of the finite; from the eternity viewpoint, in anticipation of the finite; and there are those who have considered it as a "pre-echo" of the finite. P.1159 - §7 That which is transcendental is not necessarily nondevelopmental, but it is superevolutional in the finite sense; neither is it nonexperiential, but it is superexperience as such is meaningful to creatures.
  5. Yes, Bonita. Paul was a misogynist, among many other quirks and faults, but he was a shrewd deal-maker. He continued the substitution of fact for truth that began at Pentecost.-- "Peter unwittingly led off in this mistake, and others followed after him on down to Paul, who created a new religion out of the new version of the good news." Paul created Christianity and now we have to fill in the interstices of his "cut and paste" approach with the real living presence of the Master. No more "second hand God." It will be interesting to see the "hollywood" version of His life (then the "Baliwood") and finally will come "THE RELIGION OF JESUS" The Movie!!! By then there might well be 10's of thousands of study groups worldwide to foster that interest into something more permanent than mere sensation.
  6. Welcome Bonnie,

    I am so glad you are here. We can use more sweetness and light. Dive right in and dan't be bashful!

  7. by the way, welcome to this forum, my fellow child of God

  8. i've always dug the blues,man. Been down so long, looks like up to me.

  9. Nice birthday Martin!

    Welcome and hope to

    discover insights and penetrate reality with your assistance. with your help we may well intercept our destiny and become what we are supposed to. be

  10. I think you are really "down-to-earth and I enjoy the fresh perspective of your comments.

  11. I too am glad you are here, Emily. Your questions are why we are here. Welcome!

  12. You know you don't have to die to be "born again" though your friend has had the privilege, perhaps, of perceiving the next or more spiritual level of her existence, all of this insight is available to you-now.A cosmic "spark" of the purest spirit reality in all reality is resident within your innermost being attempting to spiritualize your very existence. You might already kn

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