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  1. People on the mansion worlds are not allowed to have communication with people from their former world so its not going to happen anyway. Also it's not healthy to give one human being special honour. Love of self is dangerous. No mortal should be lifted up above his fellows unless its Jesus. You will actually do more harm then good if you start honouring one person as special above the rest. That is what Lucifer did for himself.
  2. It matters if you view the urantia book as a revelation. If you think it's the work of a human you won't take the message to heart as strongly as someone who views it as a revelation. The person who views it as a revelation will gain far more insight as a result. It's the parts of the book that don't match up with your views which are most important. The book is trying to change the way you think about everything, its not meant as an affirmation to your preconceived opinions and beliefs. What evidence is there that these Cynics didn't say this? There is simply no way to prove they didn't unless we get a time machine.
  3. Mary has no special powers to hear you. She is on the mansion worlds worried about her own life. She is not being bombarded with voices ask for help from our planet, that would be unfair to her. She has no special abilities, she is just like me or you.
  4. -BUMP- Conversation is about Lucifer today and how he went astray as well as the rebels. Show starts at 7 p.m m.t. http://www.symmetryofsoul.org/ Here is the direct link http://www.blogtalkradio.com/symmetryofsoul/2013/03/13/the-betrayal-begins-on-high-part-2 Headline discussion-> "Self-assertion was the battle cry of the Lucifer rebellion. In the name of “personal liberty”, the rebels openly defied their superiors in the celestial government and were emboldened when those rulers on high allowed the rebellion to take its course. This war in heaven was very real; it was a philosophic, not merely a physical, battle; it was fought in terms of life eternal."
  5. No human author is without his complexities. The writers of the bible were all influenced by pagan religion, by superstition, philosophy etc. Paul introduced stoic concepts in the bible, his stoic concepts are not "Catholic concepts". Its the same with any theologic literature written, they borrow from other people all the time. You honestly believe that the Koran is filled with just "muslim concepts"? There is no evidence that suggests all concepts in the Koran originated from soley muslim religionists and there is no evidence that these muslim religionists only relied on their muslim way of thinking. Everyone borrows even if they are not aware of doing it, it happens.
  6. What if Cynics wrote those passages and the authors of the Koran merely borrowed Cynic concepts for their book? It wouldn't be the 1st time. The bible has in it a mix of many pagan religions that could hardly be called Catholic or Christian. The Bible is hardly a collection of just Catholic and Christian thoughts but a collection of many different religious thoughts and philosophical thoughts.
  7. I am still optimistic, that something amazing awaits most human beings around the corner called religion and love and that Jesus' Spirit of Truth is here to lead us up to love. Also I believe that most normal minded human beings will be given a second chance on the mansion worlds, regardless of how much love they have felt or not. But it is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking. (192.6) 16:6.10 That 3rd cosmic intuition is spirit insight. IMO in order to love or experience religion we need to cultivate that 3rd cosmic inuition. Clearly it is making the authors of the urantia book sad that so few are. I think this quote is one of the most illuminating quotes in the urantia book about where humanity is right now. Spirit insight allows us to love, this is the spiritual level of leving. IMO this is what Jesus meant when he said he came here to take us up to love, he came as a spiritual uplifter to mankind. So that we could attain the spiritual level of thinking. 1651.3) 147:4.9 “6. The spiritual level. And then last, but greatest of all, we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of life the divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them. That is the universe ideal of human relationships. And this is your attitude toward all such problems when your supreme desire is ever to do the Father’s will. I would, therefore, that you should do to all men that which you know I would do to them in like circumstances.” .2) 16:9.6 Jesus not only revealed God to man, but he also made a new revelation of man to himself and to other men. In the life of Jesus you see man at his best. Man thus becomes so beautifully real because Jesus had so much of God in his life, and the realization (recognition) of God is inalienable and constitutive in all men. (196.3) 16:9.7 Unselfishness, aside from parental instinct, is not altogether natural; other persons are not naturally loved or socially served. It requires the enlightenment of reason, morality, and the urge of religion, God-knowingness, to generate an unselfish and altruistic social order. Man’s own personality awareness, self-consciousness, is also directly dependent on this very fact of innate other-awareness, this innate ability to recognize and grasp the reality of other personality, ranging from the human to the divine Reason-1st cosmic intuition, Morality-2nd cosmic intuition, Religion-3rd cosmic intuition and the only way to generate an unselfish and altruistic social order is through the "urge of religion". Yet it is sad to record few human beings are even cultivating that 3rd cosmic intuition which allows them to experience religion. "Jesus: now from reverence I would lead you up, through recognition, realization, and appreciation, to love." Realization is experienced through that 1st cosmic intuition IMO, appreciation through that second cosmic intuition and love through the 3rd cosmic intuition.
  8. Yes I find them illumating and helpful, others may not, to each their own. Some people just find the Jesus Papers illuminating and others only find the science in the u.b illuminating, there are lots of viewpoints here and all are welcome. Yeap I haven't met many second milers in my life nor am I a second miler so the quote about becoming a second miler I think will come in handy for me. I have not met or even heard of many human beings who experience a sublime "peace that passes all human understanding". An unshakable peace that not even death can shake. Most people I know do not posses that cosmic poise with betokens the absence of all doubt and turmoil. 1101.1) 100:6.6 One of the most amazing earmarks of religious living is that dynamic and sublime peace, that peace which passes all human understanding, that cosmic poise which betokens the absence of all doubt and turmoil. Such levels of spiritual stability are immune to disappointment. Such religionists are like the Apostle Paul, who said: “I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else shall be able to separate us from the love of God.” If someone is experiencing a religious living than they will experience this type of peace and there is no exceptions. I would love to meet just one human being who experiences this sublime peace. I hope I do at some point in my life.
  9. Well the u.b seems to think its important to tell us where people ostensibly are so I think it maybe important. It may help with understanding people which is key to actually loving them. Also there is a good chance that these quotes are speaking to us, not just everyone else. IMO these are some of the most illuminating quotes about humanity that are in the book.
  10. Well its important to recognize where the majority of human beings fit according to the u.b. If we put our blinders on and assume that everyone who reads the u.b and everyone who prays to god is actually a loving and spiritual person we will be completely blind to cosmic reality. IMO its just as important as the other concepts in the u.b, especially in regards to religion and love. The quotes I threw out are not meant to be personal attacks. Also just because someone is not experiencing love or true religion, its not like there is anything wrong with them, we are all in the same boat we are all still good people. IMO its important to know just what "walking the walk is" before we assume the people we know are "walking the walk". The u.b is fairly clear on this IMO. If you know people who experience this sort of peace (1101.1) 100:6.6 One of the most amazing earmarks of religious living is that dynamic and sublime peace, that peace which passes all human understanding, that cosmic poise which betokens the absence of all doubt and turmoil. Such levels of spiritual stability are immune to disappointment. And if people you know experience a love that results from spirit insight than I am really happy for you and I wish I could find people like that. I am not throwing these quotes out to attack people, there is nothing wrong with being a tadpole. But for the majority or religionists there are so few genuine second milers who really love and really life but thats not a slight against humanity its just a fact, but its an important fact to recognize IMO. (2084.5) 195:10.5 In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers — so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve.
  11. I think there many passages in the urantia book that we can use to tell us if we are experiencing something. 1100.3) 100:6.1 6. Marks of Religious Living Is one of those sections in the u.b that we can use to see if we are actually experiencing a religious life. 1100.7) 100:6.5 But true religion is a living love, a life of service. The religionist’s detachment from much that is purely temporal and trivial never leads to social isolation, and it should not destroy the sense of humor. Genuine religion takes nothing away from human existence, but it does add new meanings to all of life; it generates new types of enthusiasm, zeal, and courage. It may even engender the spirit of the crusader, which is more than dangerous if not controlled by spiritual insight and loyal devotion to the commonplace social obligations of human loyalties. (1101.4) 100:6.9 The characteristic difference between evolved and revealed religion is a new quality of divine wisdom which is added to purely experiential human wisdom. But it is experience in and with the human religions that develops the capacity for subsequent reception of increased bestowals of divine wisdom and cosmic insight. (1101.1) 100:6.6 One of the most amazing earmarks of religious living is that dynamic and sublime peace, that peace which passes all human understanding, that cosmic poise which betokens the absence of all doubt and turmoil. Such levels of spiritual stability are immune to disappointment. Such religionists are like the Apostle Paul, who said: “I am persuaded that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else shall be able to separate us from the love of God.” Here is a couple more good paragraphs we could use as litmus tests to see if we are actually really living a religious life. 1930.5) 178:1.8 You should be made all the better citizens of the secular government as a result of becoming enlightened sons of the kingdom; so should the rulers of earthly governments become all the better rulers in civil affairs as a result of believing this gospel of the heavenly kingdom. The attitude of unselfish service of man and intelligent worship of God should make all kingdom believers better world citizens, while the attitude of honest citizenship and sincere devotion to one’s temporal duty should help to make such a citizen the more easily reached by the spirit call to sonship in the heavenly kingdom. (1931.4) 178:1.13 When a kingdom believer is called upon to serve the civil government, let him render such service as a temporal citizen of such a government, albeit such a believer should display in his civil service all of the ordinary traits of citizenship as these have been enhanced by the spiritual enlightenment of the ennobling association of the mind of mortal man with the indwelling spirit of the eternal God. If the unbeliever can qualify as a superior civil servant, you should seriously question whether the roots of truth in your heart have not died from the lack of the living waters of combined spiritual communion and social service. The consciousness of sonship with God should quicken the entire life service of every man, woman, and child who has become the possessor of such a mighty stimulus to all the inherent powers of a human personality. I love that last quote, its essentially saying if there are unbelievers that are superior civil servants than us we should question our status. IMO that speaks directly to urantia book readers and those believers who are questioning just where they stand. IMO the trap many u.b readers fall into is that they read the u.b a bunch of times and think that they are experiencing all the realities that the u.b is conveying, when in fact when the u.b talks about religion they are talking about something most human beings have never experienced in their life (urantia book readers included).
  12. IMO once we begin to experience true love from spirit insight it will reach down and fill the entire inner temple within or the mindal heart/personal domain. So I suppose it would be like currency to the personal domain, and that personal domain IMO would include all three of those metaphorical lights. I can't imagine a human being even having a true religious experience while being completely devoid of love inside, IMO that experience would probably be non-personal and more like a mystic meditation, which is probably where the majority of human beings find themselves. I wouldn't say that love is the only currency for the personal domain, but I don't think that personal domain is really activated without love. IMO true intellectual insight and material light/logic acumen is activated only with a full heart that is filled with love. 1 - (1:6.5) Some degree of moral affinity and spiritual harmony is essential to friendship between two persons; a loving personality can hardly reveal himself to a loveless person. Even to approach the knowing of a divine personality, all of man's personality endowments must be wholly consecrated to the effort; halfhearted, partial devotion will be unavailing. "Halfhearted,partial devotion is unavailing" IMO if we are not experiencing love in the way the authors mean it I don't think its possible to experience a loving being like God because we will just be halfhearted. I don't think much of his ministry will reach us if we don't at least create that initial bridge of a full heart. Even the apostles questioned their own hearts and they were probably right and not being to hard themselves or modest but being honest. 177:3.2.It was about midafternoon when Nathaniel made his speech on "Supreme Desire" to about half a dozen of the apostles and as many disciples, the ending of which was: "What is wrong with most of us is that we are only halfhearted. We fail to love the Master as he loves us. If we had all wanted to go with him as much as John Mark did, he would surely have taken us all. We stood by while the lad approached the Master and offered him the basket, but when the Master took hold of it, the lad would not let go. And so the Master left us here while he went off to the hills with basket, boy, and all." Also I think the authors use the word Heart to describe this inner mindal temple within. Obviously they are talking about the Thought Adjuster in these paragraphs below. - (1:7.6) The higher concepts of universe personality imply: identity, self-consciousness, self-will, and possibility for self-revelation. And these characteristics further imply fellowship with other and equal personalities, such as exists in the personality associations of the Paradise Deities. And the absolute unity of these associations is so perfect that divinity becomes known by indivisibility, by oneness. "The Lord God is one." Indivisibility of personality does not interfere with God's bestowing his spirit to live in the hearts of mortal men. Indivisibility of a human father's personality does not prevent the reproduction of mortal sons and daughters. - (1:1.3) When you have once become truly God-conscious, after you really discover the majestic Creator and begin to experience the realization of the indwelling presence of the divine controller, then, in accordance with your enlightenment and in accordance with the manner and method by which the divine Sons reveal God, you will find a name for the Universal Father which will be adequately expressive of your concept of the First Great Source and Center. And so, on different worlds and in various universes, the Creator becomes known by numerous appellations, in spirit of relationship all meaning the same but, in words and symbols, each name standing for the degree, the depth, of his enthronement in the hearts of his creatures of any given realm. 4 - (3:1.9) The everywhere-present spirit of the Universal Father is co-ordinated with the function of the universal spirit presence of the Eternal Son and the everlasting divine potential of the Deity Absolute. But neither the spiritual activity of the Eternal Son and his Paradise Sons nor the mind bestowals of the Infinite Spirit seem to exclude the direct action of the Thought Adjusters, the indwelling fragments of God, in the hearts of his creature children. 9 - (118:10.17) The kingdom of God is in the hearts of men, and when this kingdom becomes actual in the heart of every individual on a world, then God's rule has become actual on that planet; and this is the attained sovereignty of the Supreme Being.
  13. And Jesus came to reveal and lead us to Love. IMO most human beings in his day and likewise our day are not experiencing it, no matter how our partners and lovers make us feel with all those amazings feelings, love is way above the level of feelings even though feelings will still be involved with love. Love is so far beyond what humans have called "love". Love is the highest plane of living. I am not saying people here like me are not experiencing it, but there is a good chance most of us are not IMO. 1675.4) 149:6.3 “ And now from reverence I would lead you up, through recognition, realization, and appreciation, to love. God is love and to experience something that we could call love we have to go way up, to something that is relatable to God himself. Even though Love is not God, God is Love therefore whatever love really is it is god-like or diety-like, IMO its safe to assume most human beings have never loved. Love only comes from spiritual insight. 1651.3) 147:4.9 “6. The spiritual level. And then last, but greatest of all, we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of life the divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them. That is the universe ideal of human relationships. And this is your attitude toward all such problems when your supreme desire is ever to do the Father’s will. I would, therefore, that you should do to all men that which you know I would do to them in like circumstances.” We can only experience "spiritual insight" by developing the 3rd cosmic intuition. There is no other way around it and when we attain the level of spirit insight we can finally actually live out the golden rule to the highest level which is LOVE. To treat others as God would treat them is to love another human being. (2084.5) 195:10.5 In winning souls for the Master, it is not the first mile of compulsion, duty, or convention that will transform man and his world, but rather the second mile of free service and liberty-loving devotion that betokens the Jesusonian reaching forth to grasp his brother in love and sweep him on under spiritual guidance toward the higher and divine goal of mortal existence. Christianity even now willingly goes the first mile, but mankind languishes and stumbles along in moral darkness because there are so few genuine second-milers — so few professed followers of Jesus who really live and love as he taught his disciples to live and love and serve. There are few professed followers who LIVE and LOVE. Ie Most of the human population is not really living and not really in love. IMO the only way to "really live" and love is to develop/cultivate these cosmic intuitions. Spirit insight only can come about when we utilize the 3rd cosmic intuition. (192.5) 16:6.9 These scientific, moral, and spiritual insights, these cosmic responses, are innate in the cosmic mind, which endows all will creatures. The experience of living never fails to develop these three cosmic intuitions; they are constitutive in the self-consciousness of reflective thinking. But it is sad to record that so few persons on Urantia take delight in cultivating these qualities of courageous and independent cosmic thinking. What is interesting about this paragraph is that the authors do not say that "Living never fails to develop these cosmic intuitions". They say "the experience of living". IMO "the experience of living" = "those who really live". In the authors eyes I don't believe we are actually living unless we are loving. IMO we are just living like an animal when we fail to develop/cultivate these intuitions. (193.4) 16:7.5 When man fails to discriminate the ends of his mortal striving, he finds himself functioning on the animal level of existence. He has failed to avail himself of the superior advantages of that material acumen, moral discrimination, and spiritual insight which are an integral part of his cosmic-mind endowment as a personal being. The authors don't say a man is "living on the animal level of existence". They seem to choose their words very carefully. IMO in their eyes we are not "really living" or "having the experience of living" when we fail to cultivate/develop these cosmic intuitions.
  14. Thanks Van, I mean there people that I feel my own concept of "love" for but I don't think that many human beings are actually experiencing love. IMO its a very small portion. Jesus came to our world to lead people to Love. IMO its the highest level of meaning. (1651.3) 147:4.9 “6. The spiritual level. And then last, but greatest of all, we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of life the divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them. That is the universe ideal of human relationships. And this is your attitude toward all such problems when your supreme desire is ever to do the Father’s will. I would, therefore, that you should do to all men that which you know I would do to them in like circumstances.” (1675.4) 149:6.3 “The ‘fear of the Lord’ has had different meanings in the successive ages, coming up from fear, through anguish and dread, to awe and reverence. And now from reverence I would lead you up, through recognition, realization, and appreciation, to love. When man recognizes only the works of God, he is led to fear the Supreme; but when man begins to understand and experience the personality and character of the living God, he is led increasingly to love such a good and perfect, universal and eternal Father. And it is just this changing of the relation of man to God that constitutes the mission of the Son of Man on earth. IMO Love is only experienced on the Spiritual level of living and that this is the level of living that Jesus came to take us to. So I really don't believe that what people call "love" is anything at all what the authors of the u.b mean as Love. IMO the application of the golden rule at the lower levels is not really true love. So when I say I don't love people, that doesn't mean there are people I wouldn't give my life for, its just that I don't feel that I experience true love as the urantia book seems to mean it. .
  15. (2096.5) 196:3.29 Religious insight possesses the power of turning defeat into higher desires and new determinations. Love is the highest motivation which man may utilize in his universe ascent. But love, divested of truth, beauty, and goodness, is only a sentiment, a philosophic distortion, a psychic illusion, a spiritual deception. IMO I would fall into the category of experiencing Love as a Philosophic distortion and a psychic illusion.
  16. IMO we are functioning as personal beings when we are experiencing the fullness of the 3 highest levels of meaning which are anagalous with some other triads, though I wouldn't call these other traids dimensions. IMO when we are utilizing all of these facets we are whole-hearted beings. Since everyone else has their list out I thought I would throw a list out that I have had help compiling from study sessions on Tuesday. Though this list doesn't really have much to do with dimensions IMO. 1.Logical Level/Brotherly Love Level-16:6.6 Causation -Beauty- science-1st cosmic intuition (logic acumen)- Social-judgment — ethical choice- realization-(195.3) The mathematical or logical recognition of the uniformity of physical causation. 2. Moral Level-16:6.7 Duty-Truth-philosophy- 2nd cosmic intuition (morale discrimination)- Self-judgment — moral choice-appreciation-195.4- The reasoned recognition of the obligation of moral conduct. 3. Spiritual Level-16:6. Worship-Goodness-religion-love-3rd cosmic intuition (spirit worship)- God-judgment — religious choice-love-The faith-grasp of the fellowship worship of Deity, associated with the loving service of humanity. (195.6) 16:8.19 The full function of such a personality endowment is the beginning realization of Deity kinship. Such a selfhood, indwelt by a prepersonal fragment of God the Father, is in truth and in fact a spiritual son of God. Such a creature not only discloses capacity for the reception of the gift of the divine presence but also exhibits reactive response to the personality-gravity circuit of the Paradise Father of all personalities. (1651.1) 147:4.7 “4. The level of brotherly love. Still higher is discovered the level of unselfish devotion to the welfare of one’s fellows. On this higher plane of wholehearted social service growing out of the consciousness of the fatherhood of God and the consequent recognition of the brotherhood of man, there is discovered a new and far more beautiful interpretation of this basic rule of life. (1651.2) 147:4.8 “5. The moral level. And then when you attain true philosophic levels of interpretation, when you have real insight into the rightness and wrongness of things, when you perceive the eternal fitness of human relationships, you will begin to view such a problem of interpretation as you would imagine a high-minded, idealistic, wise, and impartial third person would so view and interpret such an injunction as applied to your personal problems of adjustment to your life situations. (1651.3) 147:4.9 “6. The spiritual level. And then last, but greatest of all, we attain the level of spirit insight and spiritual interpretation which impels us to recognize in this rule of life the divine command to treat all men as we conceive God would treat them. That is the universe ideal of human relationships. And this is your attitude toward all such problems when your supreme desire is ever to do the Father’s will. I would, therefore, that you should do to all men that which you know I would do to them in like circumstances.” (1675.4) 149:6.3 “The ‘fear of the Lord’ has had different meanings in the successive ages, coming up from fear, through anguish and dread, to awe and reverence. And now from reverence I would lead you up, through recognition, realization, and appreciation, to love. When man recognizes only the works of God, he is led to fear the Supreme; but when man begins to understand and experience the personality and character of the living God, he is led increasingly to love such a good and perfect, universal and eternal Father. And it is just this changing of the relation of man to God that constitutes the mission of the Son of Man on earth. I just bolded all the parts where I took information from. I just posted the triads of the 3 highest universe levels of meaning and combined those with the three cosmic intuitions. Then I added a few other triads that probably seemed a bit confusing. Anyways sorry for going off topic. I honestly have no idea what 7 dimensional reality would be like.
  17. What is also interesting is that it seems that those last attributes are more and more impersonal. Obviously God as a Universal Father is personal and as a Creator he is personal, but than as a Controller and finally a Upholder IMO those seem to be less personal facets of God, or impersonal.
  18. Yeap and there is an order to this that is really interesting. God is described as being lastly an Infinite Upholder. The Controller aspect seems to come in right before his Upholder facet. The authors even give it a number here as the last of those 4 main attributes. The authors seem to really emphasis that this Upholder facet is that last main facet of God. IMO the tricky part is trying to figure out how to connect all these different facets of God together.
  19. IMO there is a lot of different types of mother deity. Just like there are many different types of Father deity. IMO God the Mother is the Supreme and from that experiential deity there is a synthesis with existential deity and we get beings like the Infinite Mother Spirit etc. I am not yet sure how all the parts fit together yet, so I am not sure how the Universal Controller fits into everything. But I agree what you mean though, I believe the Father can act as a Universal Controller . Or as an Infinite upholder, or perhaps even as Eternal Son IMO the Father-Father designation is a hint that the Father can even act as the Mother on the Infinite level as the Infinite Upholder. 1 - (8:1.2) The first act of the Infinite Spirit is the inspection and recognition of his divine parents, the Father-Father and the Mother-Son
  20. There is another concept to God that is IMO sort of hidden in the urantia book. The u.b talks about the I AM as this complete original reality. Experiential deity or mother type deity is not original deity IMO. IMO its a super additive consequence that is added to the original I AM Father. IMO Mother diety was not original deity, but a potential from original deity.
  21. It would seem that the Father is this I AM though . Hence the Father-I AM slogan. So even though the Father bestowed parts of himself out, those different aspects of him, still seem to be "him" IMO. If that makes any sense. The Eternal Son is still a personalization of the Father-I Am, so technically its all still one being with multiple personalizations. At least this is how I read into it. (1150.13) 104:4.46 The triunities are the functional balance wheel of infinity, the unification of the uniqueness of the Seven Infinity Absolutes. It is the existential presence of the triunities that enables the Father-I AM to experience functional infinity unity despite the diversification of infinity into seven Absolutes. The First Source and Center is the unifying member of all triunities; in him all things have their unqualified beginnings, eternal existences, and infinite destinies — “in him all things consist.” (1150.14) 104:4.47 Although these associations cannot augment the infinity of the Father-I AM, they do appear to make possible the subinfinite and subabsolute manifestations of his reality. The seven triunities multiply versatility, eternalize new depths, deitize new values, disclose new potentialities, reveal new meanings; and all these diversified manifestations in time and space and in the eternal cosmos are existent in the hypothetical stasis of the original infinity of the I AM.
  22. There is the 7 dimensions of personality. But Havona is also 7 dimensional. Two different sets of "dimensions". I don't think we as humans will ever know what Havona looks like. It would be like that book called flatland IMO. Essentially it would be like taking a 2 dimensional stick being and trying to explain what 3 dimensional reality is. Even though all he can see is lines.
  23. Well I can't speak for everyone. I myself believe that the Adjuster has the highest concept of God possible and IMO slowly but surely we can have his concept of God. I think that discovering more and more of God is the journey of eternity for us though. Even once we have stood in the presence of the Universal Father IMO we will just be stratching the surface. I think we will always have an ever expanding god concept forever and ever.
  24. Yea I am still struggling with even experiencing love at all so I can relate to these barbaric people haha, I can't imagine how they could have figured this all out.
  25. Hey Alina I think that the U.B definitely expands on the God concept. IMO some of what is in the u.b would have caused many human beings to think of many gods instead of just one god because of the complexity. IMO its hard for people to envision multiple personalizations of God, and still see that they are all still one God. This is why I think Jesus just started with the highest human concept of god the Father and just sort of left it at that, if he would have said there is a God the Mother I think it would have just greatly confused primitive human beings. 1261.7) 115:3.3 The primordial stasis of infinity requires segmentation prior to human attempts at comprehension. There is a unity in infinity which has been expressed in these papers as the I AM — the premier postulate of the creature mind. But never can a creature understand how it is that this unity becomes duality, triunity, and diversity while yet remaining an unqualified unity. Man encounters a similar problem when he pauses to contemplate the undivided Deity of Trinity alongside the plural personalization of God. IMO God can turn many faces towards reality, and these faces are God the Mother, God the Father, God the Son and God the Spirit. IMO even the Trinity could be considered God, as well as perhaps a few other beings. I would even throw in the Ancient of Days as personalizations of God. At the end of the day though we can still say there is only one Lord because these personalizations all remain unified as one in some mysterious way. The way I think about this is that at the Infinite level all these arms or branches which are personalizations of God all meet back up at the I AM which would be like the tree trunk. IMO these personalizations are all one being at the highest functional level of reality, yet as this I AM moves downwards we see all these arms spread out as personalizations which could be thought of as branches. So from the bottom looking up it appears that there are these separate Gods yet from the I AM perspective there is just one God spreading downwards in many directions.
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