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  1. Intercession Intercession is the act of interceding (intervening or mediating) between two parties Roman Catholic Church doctrine supports intercessory prayer to saints. Intercessory prayer to saints also plays an important role in the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox churches. Also some Anglo-Catholics believe in saintly intercession. This practice is an application of the Catholic doctrine of the Communion of Saints, in which prayer to Mary is a prime part. It is understood that some of the early basis for this was the belief that martyrs passed immediately into the presence of God, and could obtain graces and blessings for others. So, you think we should pray to someone other than Father? Truely? All who will may pray "for" me. But none stand between us and Father and no prayers should be directed to saints, priests, popes, or Mary.
  2. Hey Howard - You are right that both Joseph, Jesus' biological and natural human father, and Mary were specifically selected from among several candidates for Michael's final bestowal. There were multiple locations and multiple families considered. But there is significant contradiction in your presentation to the UB in two regards: first, christianity is but the more recent of many religious traditions of a "virgin" birth or otherwise miraculous conception of man-gods and super-humans throughout history. These fable and myths are but that. Second, no one, including any celestials and especially Mary are ever "intercessors" in any regard or manner related to Father, Son, or Spirit. Such intercession is another myth/fable and one devined by priests for their own power and perpetuation. Now, having said that, Mary was selected. This is no small thing. As was Joseph. And neither would have been selected without the other. The choice was of a family unit within a culture of moral, social, and religious tradition of core family values and mental/emotional stabilities conducive to Jesus formative years as an individual religionist. Jesus was not born as Michael and knew not His legacy for twenty some years of normal, human progress in spirit and by mortal mind. It was critical that this "host" family be worthy of such an undertaking. It is interesting that such a sexist church as the Roman christian church with such a sexist author as Paul would come to place Mary so high, and I agree that this does appeal to women (and should) and should give all men who believe women are inferior great pause. Too bad the Jesusonian view of total equality and partnership was not the institutional choice but Jesus was a radical in this and other regards and it was just too much for the church to accept. The Jewish and Roman and Mithraic cultures were male dominant and even the apostles did not readily understand or embrace Jesus point of view on this. Rick's OPAD recently began Part IV and there is described therein the selection process for this amazing family. Joseph believed Jesus was to be a spiritual uplifter and Mary clung to the Messiah concept of deliverer and they never reconciled these diverse positions completely. What a burden for any mother. Mary was a brilliant mother and deserves our respect and admiration. I wonder her delight upon awakening to be known throughout Nebadon as the human mother of the Master Son and creator of our local universe? (1345.1) 122:1.2 Mary, the earth mother of Jesus, was a descendant of a long line of unique ancestors embracing many of the most remarkable women in the racial history of Urantia. Although Mary was an average woman of her day and generation, possessing a fairly normal temperament, she reckoned among her ancestors such well-known women as Annon, Tamar, Ruth, Bathsheba, Ansie, Cloa, Eve, Enta, and Ratta. No Jewish woman of that day had a more illustrious lineage of common progenitors or one extending back to more auspicious beginnings. Mary’s ancestry, like Joseph’s, was characterized by the predominance of strong but average individuals, relieved now and then by numerous outstanding personalities in the march of civilization and the progressive evolution of religion. Racially considered, it is hardly proper to regard Mary as a Jewess. In culture and belief she was a Jew, but in hereditary endowment she was more a composite of Syrian, Hittite, Phoenician, Greek, and Egyptian stocks, her racial inheritance being more general than that of Joseph. (1345.2) 122:1.3 Of all couples living in Palestine at about the time of Michael’s projected bestowal, Joseph and Mary possessed the most ideal combination of widespread racial connections and superior average of personality endowments. It was the plan of Michael to appear on earth as an average man, that the common people might understand him and receive him; wherefore Gabriel selected just such persons as Joseph and Mary to become the bestowal parents.
  3. Scott - We have no way to truly measure, objectively, the reality of godliness among humanity. But I find too many religionists still motivated by fear and hope than by the confidence of faith. As you suggest, many "first" milers show the "flickering" of a candle in the wind....anxious about material outcomes and uncertain about spiritual ones as well but those faith children too discover love and the TB &G and their sincerity is rewarded. But I would not take too lightly the number and power of those second milers described...for they are not advertising or standing on corners praying loudly seeking the attention of this world. Perhaps the left hand knows not what the right hand is doing? It may be difficult to discern those fruits of the vine in other corners of the vineyard? Be that as it may, it is our personal path of progress that we are in charge of....and nothing more. The whole will be uplifted by the progress of each far more than the other way around. Does our world progress....and it is progressing....without the spirit upliftment of the each? Or isn't the whole the result of the aggregation of progress within the whole? I have sublime peace. My life is joyful. And I friend, am no one special nor rare I am certain. Again, you display a uniform generosity within your pessimism of humanity's progress. But I always have worn rose colored glasses. Optimism can be no less blind than pessimism as blind confidence is hardly the same thing as true faith. A confusing issue for which we have no true method of measure. But we are given the inevitabilities of that which is in the hands of the Most Highs and can only change that which lies between our own ears. I find it helps though to truly seek the goodness right in front of our face and feet. From todler to toothless, life brings opportunity every day to see and discern the inner light of every mortal ....... and most will not disappoint so much if engaged - light to light. Find the light in others and feed the flicker therein. And waste little time or concern with those where there is no light. Enjoying the topic.
  4. It should be remembered that regardless of our Adjuster's experience....the universe is designed for and all celestials and diety are totally focused on and motivated to accomplish the moment of fusion between the Adjuster and the mortal's morontia mind. The Highest and lowest creatures united into finaliter service in eternity. Every adjuster in every mind of such potential is highly motivated. There is no indifference nor aloofness in their ministry or mission. Thus, we are blessed and thereby guided into truth, beauty, and goodness. If we would only want the adventure and partnership as much as they, the outcome is a certainty in their hands. Only our resistance prevents it....regardless of the experience level of the Adjuster. They are well trained and prepared for the mind of the mortal of indwelling....it is our mind that needs "adjusting", not theirs. 1. Development of Adjusters (1195.2) 109:1.1 There must be a comprehensive and elaborate plan for the training and development of virgin Adjusters before they are sent forth from Divinington, but we really do not know very much about it. There undoubtedly also exists an extensive system for retraining Adjusters of indwelling experience before they embark upon new missions of mortal association, but, again, we do not actually know. (1195.3) 109:1.2 I have been told by Personalized Adjusters that every time a Monitor-indwelt mortal fails of survival, when the Adjuster returns to Divinington, an extended course of training is engaged in. This additional training is made possible by the experience of having indwelt a human being, and it is always imparted before the Adjuster is remanded to the evolutionary worlds of time. (1195.4) 109:1.3 Actual living experience has no cosmic substitute. The perfection of the divinity of a newly formed Thought Adjuster does not in any manner endow this Mystery Monitor with experienced ministrative ability. Experience is inseparable from a living existence; it is the one thing which no amount of divine endowment can absolve you from the necessity of securing by actual living. Therefore, in common with all beings living and functioning within the present sphere of the Supreme, Thought Adjusters must acquire experience; they must evolve from the lower, inexperienced, to the higher, more experienced, groups. (1196.1) 109:1.4 Adjusters pass through a definite developmental career in the mortal mind; they achieve a reality of attainment which is eternally theirs. They progressively acquire Adjuster skill and ability as a result of any and all contacts with the material races, regardless of the survival or nonsurvival of their particular mortal subjects. They are also equal partners of the human mind in fostering the evolution of the immortal soul of survival capacity. (1196.2) 109:1.5 The first stage of Adjuster evolution is attained in fusion with the surviving soul of a mortal being. Thus, while you are in nature evolving inward and upward from man to God, the Adjusters are in nature evolving outward and downward from God to man; and so will the final product of this union of divinity and humanity eternally be the son of man and the son of God.
  5. Read this again recently and remembered this topic. Thought it fascinating, a little disturbing even in that much seems to be known about each soul "to-come" or at least in its potential and the mind's/mortal's ancestry as well. A demonstration of time unit perspective I think too. To predict outcomes within potentials considering probabilities of outcome. Each Adjuster well knows their potential for fusion with each infasion of any mortal creature. (1185.4) 108:1.2 Although we do not definitely know, we firmly believe that all Thought Adjusters are volunteers. But before ever they volunteer, they are in possession of full data respecting the candidate for indwelling. The seraphic drafts of ancestry and projected patterns of life conduct are transmitted via Paradise to the reserve corps of Adjusters on Divinington by the reflectivity technique extending inward from the capitals of the local universes to the headquarters of the superuniverses. This forecast covers not only the hereditary antecedents of the mortal candidate but also the estimate of probable intellectual endowment and spiritual capacity. The Adjusters thus volunteer to indwell minds of whose intimate natures they have been fully apprised. (1186.1) 108:1.3 The volunteering Adjuster is particularly interested in three qualifications of the human candidate: (1186.2) 108:1.4 1. Intellectual capacity. Is the mind normal? What is the intellectual potential, the intelligence capacity? Can the individual develop into a bona fide will creature? Will wisdom have an opportunity to function? (1186.3) 108:1.5 2. Spiritual perception. The prospects of reverential development, the birth and growth of the religious nature. What is the potential of soul, the probable spiritual capacity of receptivity? (1186.4) 108:1.6 3. Combined intellectual and spiritual powers. The degree to which these two endowments may possibly be associated, combined, so as to produce strength of human character and contribute to the certain evolution of an immortal soul of survival value. (1186.5) 108:1.7 With these facts before them, it is our belief that the Monitors freely volunteer for assignment. Probably more than one Adjuster volunteers; perhaps the supervising personalized orders select from this group of volunteering Adjusters the one best suited to the task of spiritualizing and eternalizing the personality of the mortal candidate. (In the assignment and service of the Adjusters the sex of the creature is of no consideration.) (1186.6) 108:1.8 The short time intervening between the volunteering and the actual dispatch of the Adjuster is presumably spent in the Divinington schools of the Personalized Monitors where a working pattern of the waiting mortal mind is utilized in instructing the assigned Adjuster as to the most effective plans for personality approach and mind spiritization. This mind model is formulated through a combination of data supplied by the superuniverse reflectivity service. At least this is our understanding, a belief which we hold as the result of putting together information secured by contact with many Personalized Adjusters throughout the long universe careers of the Solitary Messengers.
  6. The right partner and/or children as a focus of more intimate love and without the serving of self is all you need to glimpse the other, deeper aspects I suspect. Keep swimming there fellow tadpole. As you know, progress in Spirit is coordinated or dependent upon the ascension of the love ladder as taught in the Golden Rule. It's not an easy thing to verbalize even when strongly felt IMO. Words can never contain nor reveal love. We will all learn much more than we can know here. Your humility is becoming, but I wonder......hope you feel the warmth and glow to come....and sooner rather than later. But your smile makes me confident for us all.
  7. I expect you, now, to contribute to the poetry thread Absonite !! But cannot God be found and known by and through love? And how about T,G, and B? Do these "reveal" God to mortals? God is the source of all that is real so all reality reveals Him to all beings. God is not that which reveals Him or expresses Him. He is the ALL. But to us here, He is that which is within. Reality should lead us to Him within. If we had but the ear to hear and the vision to see....Reality.
  8. Alina asks above: "But then, what would be the highest concept of God that we should experience, Father or I am?" I'm thinking the I AM is the lower concept within the mortal mind (not in any absolute sense but the personal sense). For, do not ALL with mind, personality, and volition experience the I AM ? We may not understand what or who that is or represents as its source. But mortals have an inherent sense of knowledge of the I AM given to each. But the Father Within - Thought Adjuster - personalizes the "relationship" of the me and the He - me as the vessel and He as my creator, parent, and source of the I AM of my realization. It is insufficient to know of Him with-out us, we must come to know of Him within as well, no? This is not a universe-approach to the facts of Him regarding all that He is - but it is the pilgrim perspective/experience we discuss here and not the universe perspective, isn't it?
  9. A Thought to Ponder from The Urantia Book "The prime mission of government is the definition of the right, the just and fair regulation of class differences, and the enforcement of equality of opportunity under the rules of law." (906.4) 81:5.6
  10. Well....I certainly don't have any connections or information about what's to come or when or how. I expect to view the evolutionary transformations to come here from Mansonia. I just have faith in those in charge...and they're not mortals.
  11. I think the capitalist/democracy model will have a long run yet but it will be hybridized further by the various and multiple cultures still to either embrace or have successful power transfers/transitions peacefully. Regarding communism.....it died a slow and painful death....Alina said we have too many ideas with too few ideals. This might be an example. Socialism is an economic system with democracy and free enterprise (capitalism) as its engine so I see it as a form, perhaps an older model of the freed colonies more rigorous individualism which infected the colonizers. I think the problem lies not in the economic model but is a function of poor leadership, nationalism, immaturity of voting citizens, family unit breakdown and materialism which no "system" of governance will be able to address any time soon. Yet progress has been made on many levels of improved cooperation and communication internationally so evolution is still at work. Priorities and strategies will and must change. I have opined elsewhere that it may be a common enemy to civilization or humanity itself that reorganizes systems in the future. Really don't know. Just read Alina's post so I'll quit for now....she's got it! (800.2) 71:0.2 The modern state is the institution which survived in the long struggle for group power. Superior power eventually prevailed, and it produced a creature of fact — the state — together with the moral myth of the absolute obligation of the citizen to live and die for the state. But the state is not of divine genesis; it was not even produced by volitionally intelligent human action; it is purely an evolutionary institution and was wholly automatic in origin. (804.16) 71:4.16 The appearance of genuine brotherhood signifies that a social order has arrived in which all men delight in bearing one another’s burdens; they actually desire to practice the golden rule. But such an ideal society cannot be realized when either the weak or the wicked lie in wait to take unfair and unholy advantage of those who are chiefly actuated by devotion to the service of truth, beauty, and goodness. In such a situation only one course is practical: The “golden rulers” may establish a progressive society in which they live according to their ideals while maintaining an adequate defense against their benighted fellows who might seek either to exploit their pacific predilections or to destroy their advancing civilization. (804.17) 71:4.17 Idealism can never survive on an evolving planet if the idealists in each generation permit themselves to be exterminated by the baser orders of humanity. And here is the great test of idealism: Can an advanced society maintain that military preparedness which renders it secure from all attack by its war-loving neighbors without yielding to the temptation to employ this military strength in offensive operations against other peoples for purposes of selfish gain or national aggrandizement? National survival demands preparedness, and religious idealism alone can prevent the prostitution of preparedness into aggression. Only love, brotherhood, can prevent the strong from oppressing the weak. (805.1) 71:5.1 Competition is essential to social progress, but competition, unregulated, breeds violence. In current society, competition is slowly displacing war in that it determines the individual’s place in industry, as well as decreeing the survival of the industries themselves. (Murder and war differ in their status before the mores, murder having been outlawed since the early days of society, while war has never yet been outlawed by mankind as a whole.) (805.2) 71:5.2 The ideal state undertakes to regulate social conduct only enough to take violence out of individual competition and to prevent unfairness in personal initiative. Here is a great problem in statehood: How can you guarantee peace and quiet in industry, pay the taxes to support state power, and at the same time prevent taxation from handicapping industry and keep the state from becoming parasitical or tyrannical? (805.3) 71:5.3 Throughout the earlier ages of any world, competition is essential to progressive civilization. As the evolution of man progresses, co-operation becomes increasingly effective. In advanced civilizations co-operation is more efficient than competition. Early man is stimulated by competition. Early evolution is characterized by the survival of the biologically fit, but later civilizations are the better promoted by intelligent co-operation, understanding fraternity, and spiritual brotherhood. (805.4) 71:5.4 True, competition in industry is exceedingly wasteful and highly ineffective, but no attempt to eliminate this economic lost motion should be countenanced if such adjustments entail even the slightest abrogation of any of the basic liberties of the individual. 6. The Profit Motive (805.5) 71:6.1 Present-day profit-motivated economics is doomed unless profit motives can be augmented by service motives. Ruthless competition based on narrow-minded self-interest is ultimately destructive of even those things which it seeks to maintain. Exclusive and self-serving profit motivation is incompatible with Christian ideals — much more incompatible with the teachings of Jesus. (805.6) 71:6.2 In economics, profit motivation is to service motivation what fear is to love in religion. But the profit motive must not be suddenly destroyed or removed; it keeps many otherwise slothful mortals hard at work. It is not necessary, however, that this social energy arouser be forever selfish in its objectives.
  12. Friend Raymond - I did not take your point as arguementative or as disagreement. Just didn't want to defend any notion that I'm a supporter of capitalism...except as a progressive step in the evolutionary process leading to the service economy to come. Many "improvements" are only superior for a short time, eh? Now there is something superior to capitalism. Wish I knew what it was or how to get there. You certainly are welcome to disagree with me anytime it may happen.....as I am often wrong or perplexed to be sure, but, I understood your point and we do agree on this. So, I wonder what the economic system is like when it radiates outward from the Prince's headquarters and the Material Son and Daughter schools and the Temple? I would assume that money or currency exchange is a normal and functional element since craft and trade are certainly mentioned. Currency has taken many forms over time but its purpose is simple: a common unit of exchange to replace barter - item for item or labor for item. It is an efficiency driver so I presume it is a normal form of core economic development. Read recently that in Light and Life, it takes about 2-3 hours of work per day per person to support everyone's material needs - the rest of the time is education, relaxation, child rearing and care, worship, and talent/skill development (I am assuming the rest of the day's activities here but the hours is text). Two generations ago, my family worked 7 days a week on the farm (except church on Sunday and dinner with extended family) and 14 hours a day did not get it done - just beat back hunger and homelessness. My dad worked 2 jobs while going to trade school for 2 years, working 20 hours a day. There is still those who work - hard - all day just to have water, meager food rations, and a little heat around our globe. This necisity, by itself, is a retardant of personal and spiritual development IMO. Imagine - 12-16 hours a week for peace, prosperity, and personal progress. Now, that's a functional and efficient economic system. I think it important to remember that planetary progress is in the hands of those who know what they're about and are experienced and capable. Perhaps we are not such a challenge as we appear or imagine? As Raymond points out - our point of view (perspective) is from underneath or from within the transformation and our time here so short to witness progress - it's hard to see the horizen from the aligator pit. And as Sister Alina demonstrates in this topic - growth is hard to discern when progress in many ways is so uneven....I mean America put a man on the moon within 12 months of the civil rights and voting rights act and students on-campus being shot by the National Guard and while napalming innocents in the villages of a jungle half way around the world. Strange. Disjointed. But, as Raymond also points out, in the midst of all this change and turmoil, there is an emerging and growing humanitarianism that is getting brighter and brighter as he puts it: "material secular values are a starting point for transference for higher spiritual values." I agree. We witness economic transformation today. The more society creates sufficient "liesure" time for education, philosophy, religiousity, art expressions, and talent/skill development and brings wealth/capital into the hands of humanitarians and spirit filled minds, the faster we accelerate toward Light and Life and our next Son dispensation. A wonderful view to witness if one has but the eye to see it.
  13. Raymond - forgot to acknowledge a VERY important point you raised. Just what was it that made the citizens and government of the USA to pay for the reconstruction of all of Europe, but especially Germany and Japan - our enemies, horrific enemies?? We were dragged, kicking and screaming, from isolationism into global war in the midst of the great depression with few enough resources for ourselves. And yet...... This, I think goes to Alina's topic here. Progress. Growth. One aspect of humanity races forward but must await other aspects to progress for the whole to grow. There are many chicken and egg paradoxes to examine in this becoming and progress.
  14. Raymond - I do not find much that is "virtuous" in western capitalism so much as progress made thereby, similar to slavery, warfare, ghost fear, etc. There is little virtue and nothing endearing in profit or capital. This but a step upon another bridge to something far greater and better. The democratization of capital is a progressor when the capital is redirected away from its earner/holder to others in loving service and kindness. THIS is one result of western style capitalism. The FUTURE of capitalism is being written now in the third world or emerging economies and rewritten in the USA because we must respond to this ever enlarging force of democratized capital. I am not convinced the Most Highs are quite finnished with America's leadership role in this regard either. I don't buy into the decline argument (not economic decline I mean) for the largest economy, the most racially admixed, and culturally diverse, and most religiously free nation on our planet. It is helpful in this regard to study on the Neighboring Planet. America has much to be ashamed of....and yet we rise to defy much that is evil in the world on many levels. Other hills of hope and powers are rising but we remain the beacon of progress in my mind. Let us see if we are worthy to hold that leadership into the challenges and changes to come. Too many democracies are of one people and one religion and one culture and one race and use majority rule/democracy/mob rules that will forever be inferior to that glorious constitution of inclusion, protection of individual FROM the majority, and the melting pot of all peoples in one nation. This is the example the world must follow....tolerance of all and service to all. (do not mistake this for blind nationalism or pride USA for it certainly is not....but any objective evaluation of inclusion vs. exclusion results in few peers in this regard)
  15. Pike, so glad to hear this. Thanks for sharing. Courage comes as fear flees....and courage fades as faith emerges. For what need of courage to the valiant faithful, forged in the fires of assurance and experience.....the act is ours, but the consequences are Father's, eh? (1220.7) 111:4.8 You cannot completely control the external world — environment. It is the creativity of the inner world that is most subject to your direction because there your personality is so largely liberated from the fetters of the laws of antecedent causation. There is associated with personality a limited sovereignty of will. (1220.8) 111:4.9 Since this inner life of man is truly creative, there rests upon each person the responsibility of choosing as to whether this creativity shall be spontaneous and wholly haphazard or controlled, directed, and constructive. How can a creative imagination produce worthy children when the stage whereon it functions is already preoccupied by prejudice, hate, fears, resentments, revenge, and bigotries? (1220.9) 111:4.10 Ideas may take origin in the stimuli of the outer world, but ideals are born only in the creative realms of the inner world. Today the nations of the world are directed by men who have a superabundance of ideas, but they are poverty-stricken in ideals. That is the explanation of poverty, divorce, war, and racial hatreds. (1220.10) 111:4.11 This is the problem: If freewill man is endowed with the powers of creativity in the inner man, then must we recognize that freewill creativity embraces the potential of freewill destructivity. And when creativity is turned to destructivity, you are face to face with the devastation of evil and sin — oppression, war, and destruction. Evil is a partiality of creativity which tends toward disintegration and eventual destruction. All conflict is evil in that it inhibits the creative function of the inner life — it is a species of civil war in the personality. The reduction of fear in the minds of others is righteous ministry for that mind which has vanquished its own...and is something every believer can do in their family, community, and as we walk by. Do we comfort and guide others to the peace we know? Can we not help others to fear less....and less from our own fearlessness? For as Brother/Friend Pike quotes above: what does it matter if all earthly things crash around us? And most chronic anxiety does not spring from any true or reasonable expectation of actual difficulties or challenges at-hand....it becomes a crippling state of "being"....shutting out the light and driving us deeper into the shadows of doubt and further distortions of fear. (1223.4) 111:7.2 May I admonish you to heed the distant echo of the Adjuster’s faithful call to your soul? The indwelling Adjuster cannot stop or even materially alter your career struggle of time; the Adjuster cannot lessen the hardships of life as you journey on through this world of toil. The divine indweller can only patiently forbear while you fight the battle of life as it is lived on your planet; but you could, if you only would — as you work and worry, as you fight and toil — permit the valiant Adjuster to fight with you and for you. You could be so comforted and inspired, so enthralled and intrigued, if you would only allow the Adjuster constantly to bring forth the pictures of the real motive, the final aim, and the eternal purpose of all this difficult, uphill struggle with the commonplace problems of your present material world. (1223.5) 111:7.3 Why do you not aid the Adjuster in the task of showing you the spiritual counterpart of all these strenuous material efforts? Why do you not allow the Adjuster to strengthen you with the spiritual truths of cosmic power while you wrestle with the temporal difficulties of creature existence? Why do you not encourage the heavenly helper to cheer you with the clear vision of the eternal outlook of universal life as you gaze in perplexity at the problems of the passing hour? Why do you refuse to be enlightened and inspired by the universe viewpoint while you toil amidst the handicaps of time and flounder in the maze of uncertainties which beset your mortal life journey? Why not allow the Adjuster to spiritualize your thinking, even though your feet must tread the material paths of earthly endeavor?
  16. Loving this. While researching more specifics on this, I wanted to suggest that there is a primary factor within all the elements listed for growth to further progress the whole. And that is motivation of individual AND social behaviour, far too much behaviour based on simple fear and anxiety. Humans are motivated exponentially more by fear than by hope of gain (and neither is a high motivation) and this is perpetuated by most of the elements listed - government, commerce, industry (think military industrial complex and pharmaceuticals for example), religion, and our "culture" is created by a media driven frenzy to fit in, be bizarre, be cool, etc. and glamorizes false gods and priorities. Fear in the individual is a great burden and slows or can even prevent progress in the spirit but it is apparent that our institutions promote and profit from fear. Such fearmongering is fundamentally preventing our growth, regardless of progress in other ways and areas. One of the biggest casualties of fear, and another contributor to retardation is lack of cooperation and trust between the various elements. Science and religion remain embroiled in this polarized view of even basic physics and the creation. Consider a six oar row boat or a six horse tandem team and consider further the potentials of each element working as a coordinated, cooperative, and trusting team - and the multitude of "progress" comedies and horrors without such. Fraternity is taught to be a critical ingredient in this recipe of elements and fraternity cannot come in a world seeped in fear and driven daily by its ruthless whip. To me this is the crux of the matter or fulcrum point upon which rests great leverage and potential. Imagine what our world might be like in even two generations of less and less fear and more and more fraternity, eh? Thanks Alina....been thinking on this and talking to my wife about. Had to let you know I am enjoying.
  17. WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER !! 5. The Eternal and Divine Purpose (364.3) 32:5.1 There is a great and glorious purpose in the march of the universes through space. All of your mortal struggling is not in vain. We are all part of an immense plan, a gigantic enterprise, and it is the vastness of the undertaking that renders it impossible to see very much of it at any one time and during any one life. We are all a part of an eternal project which the Gods are supervising and outworking. The whole marvelous and universal mechanism moves on majestically through space to the music of the meter of the infinite thought and the eternal purpose of the First Great Source and Center. (364.4) 32:5.2 The eternal purpose of the eternal God is a high spiritual ideal. The events of time and the struggles of material existence are but the transient scaffolding which bridges over to the other side, to the promised land of spiritual reality and supernal existence. Of course, you mortals find it difficult to grasp the idea of an eternal purpose; you are virtually unable to comprehend the thought of eternity, something never beginning and never ending. Everything familiar to you has an end. (364.5) 32:5.3 As regards an individual life, the duration of a realm, or the chronology of any connected series of events, it would seem that we are dealing with an isolated stretch of time; everything seems to have a beginning and an end. And it would appear that a series of such experiences, lives, ages, or epochs, when successively arranged, constitutes a straightaway drive, an isolated event of time flashing momentarily across the infinite face of eternity. But when we look at all this from behind the scenes, a more comprehensive view and a more complete understanding suggest that such an explanation is inadequate, disconnected, and wholly unsuited properly to account for, and otherwise to correlate, the transactions of time with the underlying purposes and basic reactions of eternity.
  18. Well said Brother. While both similarities and differences have been given here, I thought it appropriate to add some mota encouragement....for such universal philosophies should appeal and harmonize with all truth seekers of any experience.....or so is my hope. (556.4) 48:7.4 2. Few persons live up to the faith which they really have. Unreasoned fear is a master intellectual fraud practiced upon the evolving mortal soul. (556.6) 48:7.6 4. Few mortals ever dare to draw anything like the sum of personality credits established by the combined ministries of nature and grace. The majority of impoverished souls are truly rich, but they refuse to believe it. (556.7) 48:7.7 5. Difficulties may challenge mediocrity and defeat the fearful, but they only stimulate the true children of the Most Highs. (556.10) 48:7.10 8. Effort does not always produce joy, but there is no happiness without intelligent effort. (556.11) 48:7.11 9. Action achieves strength; moderation eventuates in charm. (556.12) 48:7.12 10. Righteousness strikes the harmony chords of truth, and the melody vibrates throughout the cosmos, even to the recognition of the Infinite. (556.13) 48:7.13 11. The weak indulge in resolutions, but the strong act. Life is but a day’s work — do it well. The act is ours; the consequences God’s. (556.14) 48:7.14 12. The greatest affliction of the cosmos is never to have been afflicted. Mortals only learn wisdom by experiencing tribulation. (557.2) 48:7.18 16. You cannot perceive spiritual truth until you feelingly experience it, and many truths are not really felt except in adversity. (557.8) 48:7.24 22. The evolving soul is not made divine by what it does, but by what it strives to do. (557.10) 48:7.26 24. The destiny of eternity is determined moment by moment by the achievements of the day by day living. The acts of today are the destiny of tomorrow. (63.3) 5:1.5 However Urantia mortals may differ in their intellectual, social, economic, and even moral opportunities and endowments, forget not that their spiritual endowment is uniform and unique. They all enjoy the same divine presence of the gift from the Father, and they are all equally privileged to seek intimate personal communion with this indwelling spirit of divine origin, while they may all equally choose to accept the uniform spiritual leading of these Mystery Monitors. (63.4) 5:1.6 If mortal man is wholeheartedly spiritually motivated, unreservedly consecrated to the doing of the Father’s will, then, since he is so certainly and so effectively spiritually endowed by the indwelling and divine Adjuster, there cannot fail to materialize in that individual’s experience the sublime consciousness of knowing God and the supernal assurance of surviving for the purpose of finding God by the progressive experience of becoming more and more like him. (63.5) 5:1.7 Man is spiritually indwelt by a surviving Thought Adjuster. If such a human mind is sincerely and spiritually motivated, if such a human soul desires to know God and become like him, honestly wants to do the Father’s will, there exists no negative influence of mortal deprivation nor positive power of possible interference which can prevent such a divinely motivated soul from securely ascending to the portals of Paradise. (63.6) 5:1.8 The Father desires all his creatures to be in personal communion with him. He has on Paradise a place to receive all those whose survival status and spiritual nature make possible such attainment. Therefore settle in your philosophy now and forever: To each of you and to all of us, God is approachable, the Father is attainable, the way is open; the forces of divine love and the ways and means of divine administration are all interlocked in an effort to facilitate the advancement of every worthy intelligence of every universe to the Paradise presence of the Universal Father. May all believers in the better WAY....Fear not, love one another, seek the spirit within. And all else will come in its way and in its time. Peace be unto all.
  19. (1216.6) 111:1.5 Mortal mind is a temporary intellect system loaned to human beings for use during a material lifetime, and as they use this mind, they are either accepting or rejecting the potential of eternal existence. Mind is about all you have of universe reality that is subject to your will, and the soul — the morontia self — will faithfully portray the harvest of the temporal decisions which the mortal self is making. Human consciousness rests gently upon the electrochemical mechanism below and delicately touches the spirit-morontia energy system above. Of neither of these two systems is the human being ever completely conscious in his mortal life; therefore must he work in mind, of which he is conscious. And it is not so much what mind comprehends as what mind desires to comprehend that insures survival; it is not so much what mind is like as what mind is striving to be like that constitutes spirit identification. It is not so much that man is conscious of God as that man yearns for God that results in universe ascension. What you are today is not so important as what you are becoming day by day and in eternity. (1218.2) 111:2.4 There are three and not two factors in the evolutionary creation of such an immortal soul. These three antecedents of the morontia human soul are: (1218.3) 111:2.5 1. The human mind and all cosmic influences antecedent thereto and impinging thereon. (1218.4) 111:2.6 2. The divine spirit indwelling this human mind and all potentials inherent in such a fragment of absolute spirituality together with all associated spiritual influences and factors in human life. (1218.5) 111:2.7 3. The relationship between material mind and divine spirit, which connotes a value and carries a meaning not found in either of the contributing factors to such an association. The reality of this unique relationship is neither material nor spiritual but morontial. It is the soul. It is important that all who seek the Spirit, regardless of terminology or personal journey, be connected in purpose and fraternity. I am so grateful to have the textbook of the cosmos to unify concepts and give us that shared vocabulary mentioned by the Zen master motorcycle mechanic (Nigel). Absonite - I have revisited my youth, thank you, and relived the steep and rocky track of seeking that which I found within. May every seeker be so "lucky" as me. I believe that regardless of terms and concepts, so many have gone so much further with so much less....except this: faith is that which requires no vocabulary, and such is love and all who know love and live thereby, truly know Father....whether they know it or not. By teaching that the kingdom is within, by exalting the individual, Jesus struck the deathblow of the old society in that he ushered in the new dispensation of true social righteousness. This new order of society the world has little known because it has refused to practice the principles of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. And when this kingdom of spiritual pre-eminence does come upon the earth, it will not be manifested in mere improved social and material conditions, rather in the glories of those enhanced and enriched spiritual values which are characteristic of the approaching age of improved human relations and advancing spiritual attainments." P.1862 - §8 Jesus is the root of this many branched mustard tree in this New Age.
  20. (43.3) 2:7.10 The religious challenge of this age is to those farseeing and forward-looking men and women of spiritual insight who will dare to construct a new and appealing philosophy of living out of the enlarged and exquisitely integrated modern concepts of cosmic truth, universe beauty, and divine goodness. Such a new and righteous vision of morality will attract all that is good in the mind of man and challenge that which is best in the human soul. Truth, beauty, and goodness are divine realities, and as man ascends the scale of spiritual living, these supreme qualities of the Eternal become increasingly co-ordinated and unified in God, who is love. (43.4) 2:7.11 All truth — material, philosophic, or spiritual — is both beautiful and good. All real beauty — material art or spiritual symmetry — is both true and good. All genuine goodness — whether personal morality, social equity, or divine ministry — is equally true and beautiful. Health, sanity, and happiness are integrations of truth, beauty, and goodness as they are blended in human experience. Such levels of efficient living come about through the unification of energy systems, idea systems, and spirit systems. (43.5) 2:7.12 Truth is coherent, beauty attractive, goodness stabilizing. And when these values of that which is real are co-ordinated in personality experience, the result is a high order of love conditioned by wisdom and qualified by loyalty. The real purpose of all universe education is to effect the better co-ordination of the isolated child of the worlds with the larger realities of his expanding experience. Reality is finite on the human level, infinite and eternal on the higher and divine levels.
  21. Let us not forget Brother Bob's anouncement of the New Age either: Come gather 'round people Wherever you roam And admit that the waters Around you have grown And accept it that soon You'll be drenched to the bone If your time to you Is worth savin' Then you better start swimmin' Or you'll sink like a stone For the times they are a-changin'. Come writers and critics Who prophesize with your pen And keep your eyes wide The chance won't come again And don't speak too soon For the wheel's still in spin And there's no tellin' who That it's namin' For the loser now Will be later to win For the times they are a-changin'. Come senators, congressmen Please heed the call Don't stand in the doorway Don't block up the hall For he that gets hurt Will be he who has stalled There's a battle outside And it is ragin' It'll soon shake your windows And rattle your walls For the times they are a-changin'. Come mothers and fathers Throughout the land And don't criticize What you can't understand Your sons and your daughters Are beyond your command Your old road is Rapidly agin' Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin'. The line it is drawn The curse it is cast The slow one now Will later be fast As the present now Will later be past The order is Rapidly fadin' And the first one now Will later be last For the times they are a-changin'. The New Agers had anthems for change. Two, one, two, three, four Ev'rybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism, Madism, Ragism, Tagism This-ism, That-ism, is-m, is-m, is-m All we are saying is give peace a chance, All we are saying is give peace a chance Yeah! C'mon Ev'rybody's talking about Ministers, Sinisters, Banisters And canisters, Bishops, and Fishops, And Rabbis, and Pop eyes, Bye, bye, bye byes All we are saying is give peace a chance, All we are saying is give peace a chance Let me tell you now Ev'rybody's talking about Revolution, evolution, masturbation, Flagellation, regulation, integration, Meditation, United Nations, Congratulations. All we are saying is give peace a chance, All we are saying is give peace a chance Oh, those were the days my friend, I thought they'd never end......
  22. The theme song for the New Age. (I have never been into astrology but it is the oldest "new" age rage, eh?) Have you seen "Hair" or "JC Superstar"? Google "Rainbow - Family, Gathering, Children". Don't forget The Burning Man. Oh yes, the "new" age is far older than the 80's....wherein the children of the New Agers came of age. The perspective of the time unit. What's old is new again. When the moon is in the seventh house And Jupiter aligns with Mars Then peace will guide the planets And love will steer the stars This is the dawning of the age Of a Aquarius, the age of Aquarius Aquarius, Aquarius Harmony and understanding Sympathy and trust abounding No more falsehoods or derisions Golden living dreams of visions [- From: http://www.elyrics.net -] Mystic crystal revelation And the minds true liberation Aquarius, Aquarius When the moon is in the seventh house And Jupiter aligns with Mars Then peace will guide the planets And love will steer the stars This is the dawning of the age Of a Aquarius, the age of Aquarius Aquarius, Aquarius Lyrics from <a href="http://www.elyrics.net">eLyrics.net</a> This song was one of the most popular songs of 1969 worldwide, and in the United States it reached the number one position on both the Billboard Hot 100 (for six weeks in April and May)[3] and the Billboard magazine Adult Contemporaries Chart. It also reached the top of the sales charts in Canada and elsewhere. It was also ranked as the #1 single for 1969.[citation needed] The recording won both the Grammy Award for Record of the Year and Best Pop Vocal Performance by a Group for the Grammy Awards of 1970, after being published on the album The Age of Aquarius by The 5th Dimension, and also being released as a seven-inch vinyl single record. The lyrics of this song were based on the astrological belief that the world would soon be entering the "Age of Aquarius", an age of love, light, and humanity, unlike the current "Age of Pisces". The exact circumstances for the change are "When the moon is in the seventh house, and Jupiter aligns with Mars." This change was presumed to occur at the end of the 20th century; however, major astrologers differ extremely widely as to when. Their proposed dates range from 2062 to 2680.[4] "Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" was ranked thirty-third on the 2004 AFI's 100 Years...100 Songs. Peace out baby!!
  23. Absonite - we are both displaying age-bias-prejudice based on our ages I think. For, to me, the New Age exploded in the 50s and 60s and 70s - from the beats to the hippies to the freaks and the movement was called such due to the acts, behaviors, and changes to the person so engaged. I do not wish to dimminsh any authors or persons you mentioned but pop-psych is NOT New Age...it may be a child of the New Age movement. But New Agers typically act within a search for meaning and place within the meaning and are not looking to feel better about themselves.....but a way to BE and to CHANGE themselves and their/our world.....they seek transformation. It is activism of and in the spirit. It is a religious movement without restraint. You're not new age if you get truth from the afternoon tube or a box of cassettes (yes, I'm even older than them - older than transistor radios). Dissatisfaction and distrust of the main stream and institutions and human authority is the hallmark of this movement. It is reaching beyond the mortal life and acting and changing thereby. I already had been to Mystic Mountain long before the 80s....and many boomers had. Pop-psych is a form of snake oil and feel good about yourself salve for those who seek relief from the viccitudes of their choices. It is easy to find on the bookstore shelf or TV and it offers a placebo effect...for a time. Or so it seems to me.
  24. Scott - while Father is infinitely more than a person, He is certainly not less, eh? God is the source of person-hood, individualism, personality, and mind, no? You are right in that too many mortals make god in their own image and we have forever made god as small as we must to approach and influence him/them. So making a stick figure of him in the clouds is to be abandoned. Just discovered text in my UBIS class on the soul an interesting point: the TA, Father fragment and the mortal mind parent cocreate the morontia mind/soul. The God-Within is a profoundly important element of the God-Above and Over-All. So it is also important to not make Him too aloof or remote or grand for our approach. He is much more personal and much more grand - both at the same time. As the Revelation expanded God in exponential ways in all directions, it also makes Him an intimate associate - both source and partner of and by the spirit within, as Alina just wrote. We are partners in the grand adventure and our contribution is important to Father, to the Supreme, and to our immortal soul and our soul is a cocreation experience....if we but learn intimacy with TA. So, those New Agers seeking a more personal and intimate association with the ALL in-mind should feel the presence and guiding hand of our pilot...if the captain has the will. The will of the Father is the love of others is it not? And the cocreation of the immortal finaliter in mind by cooperation and reduction/elimination of that which interferes - the poisens of mind which tie us to the fetters of the material. Is it not His will that all identify with the spirit more and more while releasing the attachments to our material life and to do so with grace, balance, dignity, confidence, and faith in His purpose, plan, process, and our attachement to Him. His will is for us to honor and accept our potential. We will learn the details of this purpose, plan, process as we reach Mansonia and become ascenders of immortality. For now, the urge and thirst to seek Him is sufficient....for all who act on it that is.
  25. GOOD GRIEF !!!! And I make my living with a calculator. Haha. Good catch Rick. Yes, yes, yes. I doubt Joseph was much or any older than Mary and they courted two years. I find the maiden being younger than the "young women" in the text. I don't know but would suspect that maiden lasted to 16 or thereabouts. This should be documented in those times in that culture to lessen our speculation. How about the other sisters ages at marriage? It should be remembered that this was a very traditional family within its culture of the day.
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