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Bill Urantia

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  1. U-rantian, Wisely stated. Bill, Faith son
  2. Friends, The original topic has been left far behind. Any dissemination one feels is important, let it be their work. We are all entitled to our opinions without resort to personal accusations. I assume we are all interested in improving the world we inhabit. I do not see this conversation working in that direction. Bill, Faith son
  3. Friends, This statement is purely bad argument. I believe dissemination of the text in English, as it was delivered, is not burying the "talent". Translations may be fine for getting the attention of a wider audience, but no translation can possibly equal the magnificent presentation by the revelators, or lead to true understanding of the meanings and values presented. Bill, Faith son
  4. A request to new members. It would be most helpful if you completed some of the information in your profile. I find age, experience, location, and interests important in relating to others. Bill, Faith son
  5. Emily, Welcome to the forum. I am always available by PM if you need any help. Bill, Faith son
  6. Morgan, Allow me to apologize. Perhaps when you read your post after making it you did not see the "?". I was unaware that this glitch existed. I usually read my post through after posting to check that I said what was intended. The "?s" caused me to look up the quote. When I found them not in the text I assumed (you know what that mistake is) you had placed them there for emphasis of some point I did not get. Again I apologize. Bill, Faith son
  7. The word cocreate appears only once in the revelation. It is quite specific. PAPER 117 - GOD THE SUPREME, line 41: The will of the Creator and the will of the creature are qualitatively different, but they are also experientially akin, for creature and Creator can collaborate in the achievement of universe perfection. Man can work in liaison with God and thereby cocreate an eternal finaliter. God can work even as humanity in the incarnations of his Sons, who thereby achieve the supremacy of creature experience. Bill, Faith son Morgan, Please do not present altered versions of the revelation as quotes. Your version: p1285:3 117:4.14 God's gifts?his bestowal of reality?are not divorcements from himself; he does not alienate creation from himself, but he has set up tensions in the creations circling Paradise. God first loves man and confers upon him the potential of immortality?eternal reality. And as man loves God, so does man become eternal in actuality. And here is mystery: The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality?actuality?of that man. The more man withdraws from God, the more nearly he approaches nonreality?cessation of existence. When man consecrates his will to the doing of the Father's will, when man gives God all that he has, then does God make that man more than he is. The actual text: God's gifts--his bestowal of reality--are not divorcements from himself; he does not alienate creation from himself, but he has set up tensions in the creations circling Paradise. God first loves man and confers upon him the potential of immortality--eternal reality. And as man loves God, so does man become eternal in actuality. And here is mystery: The more closely man approaches God through love, the greater the reality--actuality--of that man. The more man withdraws from God, the more nearly he approaches nonreality--cessation of existence. When man consecrates his will to the doing of the Father's will, when man gives God all that he has, then does God make that man more than he is.
  8. Morgan, This is drifting quite far from the material in the Urantia Book. We have nothing to do with the "creation of reality". Bill, Faith son
  9. Phil, You are expected to live according to that faith my friend, or it is not faith as defined in the Papers. Your quote: Bill, Faith son
  10. Friends, The topic is daydreaming and Imagination. Here is my take on this question. Daydreaming is a form of reversion. However it has the possibility of leading to imagination which I consider to be the pondering of hopes or possibilities or the envisioning of what cannot be seen or felt. Daydreaming is the non constructive aspect of imagination. It is relaxing reality restraints in favor of good feelings without regard to facts. Imagination may take three forms. It can be a form of problem solving in the present. It can be a form of envisioning the future, by examining possibilities extant in the present. It can be an attempt to consider what will be in light of the knowledge we have been given in the revelation. For those who may be following this thread and are new to the Urantia Papers I would like to make a brief statement. It is not necessary to understand any of the material in this topic to be "saved'. Our Father loves each and everyone of us. It takes nothing more than believing He is the person revealed in the life of His Son Michael of Nebadon. This is faith. You are saved by faith alone. Regardless of how you may interpret this life in the flesh, if you do not consciously and knowledgeably reject survival, you will experience resurrection. Relax. It is quite natural to over think living if you are a cosmic orphan. Once you realize that you have a Father who has constructed a universe of universes which is purposeful and cordial, and that He will never leave you, has actually provided for your advancement by providing a one of a kind personality, a companion, your Adjuster, a truth filter, Michael's Spirit of Truth, and limited cosmic insight, the Adjutant Mind Spirits, the gift of the Mother Spirit, You have only to release this understanding from the fetters of time to be free. This life is meant to be a constructive adventure. Assume your immortality. Think in light of being an eternal being living in a time shrouded portion of a limitless reality. It is always now. The past is something we may learn from. The future is outlined in a general manner in the revelation, but not specific. But it is always now. Live for the day when you stand before your Father and hear him say, "This is my child and I am proud of him". Bill, Faith son
  11. Jose, I think those as well as other similar statements are the reason. Bill, Faith son
  12. Paper 151: line 58: When Thomas had finished speaking, the majority of his fellow preachers were about ready to agree with him, even Peter and Nathaniel were on their way over to speak with him, when Jesus arose and said: "Well done, Thomas; you have discerned the true meaning of parables; but both Peter and Nathaniel have done you all equal good in that they have so fully shown the danger of undertaking to make an allegory out of my parables. In your own hearts you may often profitably engage in such flights of the speculative imagination, but you make a mistake when you seek to offer such conclusions as a part of your public teaching." Bill, Faith son
  13. They influence mate selection and therefore genetics. Bill, Faith son
  14. p401:5 36:5.1 It is the presence of the seven adjutant mind-spirits on the primitive worlds that conditions the course of organic evolution; that explains why evolution is purposeful and not accidental. These adjutants represent that function of the mind ministry of the Infinite Spirit which is extended to the lower orders of intelligent life through the operations of a local universe Mother Spirit. The adjutants are the children of the Universe Mother Spirit and constitute her personal ministry to the material minds of the realms. Wherever and whenever such mind is manifest, these spirits are variously functioning. I believe the question is why do they function "variously" which may be connected to genetic and cultural differences. Bill, Faith son
  15. Main Entry: ex·trap·o·late Pronunciation: ik-'stra-p&-"lAt Function: verb Inflected Form(s): -lat·ed; -lat·ing Etymology: Latin extra outside + English -polate (as in interpolate) —more at EXTRA- Date: 1874 transitive senses 1 : to infer (values of a variable in an unobserved interval) from values within an already observed interval 2 a : to project, extend, or expand (known data or experience) into an area not known or experienced so as to arrive at a usually conjectural knowledge of the unknown area <extrapolates present trends to construct an image of the future> b : to predict by projecting past experience or known data <extrapolate public sentiment on one issue from known public reaction on others> intransitive senses : to perform the act or process of extrapolating "to arrive at a usually conjectural knowledge of the unknown area" I believe this is the problem. DT, it is all conjecture. Main Entry: [1]con·jec·ture Pronunciation: k&n-'jek-ch&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English, from Middle French or Latin; Middle French, from Latin conjectura, from conjectus, past participle of conicere, literally, to throw together, from com- + jacere to throw —more at JET Date: 14th century 1 : obsolete : a : interpretation of omens b : SUPPOSITION 2 a : inference from defective or presumptive evidence b : a conclusion deduced by surmise or guesswork c : a proposition (as in mathematics) before it has been proved or disproved "inference from defective or presumptive evidence" Bill, Faith son
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