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  1. Hi All; I believe I have always heard 'this is the way'[so to speak] since childhood even in the small decisions. But it is like a 'flash' and easily ignored or shrugged off. Also easily overpowered by my Ego. But anytime I have consciously or unconsciously followed the 'Flash' though seemingly the harder choice its result was rewarding. But most of my life the Ego/survival instinct had a 90-10 advantage and I have recently been trying to even up those odds some (: PHIL
  2. My Guess is that most the comments 'EXCUSING' the Race issues in the UB on this thread are FROM THOSE not of color[according to Human in this world standards] The American Urantia movement is almost colorless as was the original gang. [i saw the pictures] The 'Breeding' thing is a problem because we would have to Admit we are 'Animals' The genetic superior or inferior thing no matter if a fact and truth is a BIG NO NO in this POLITICALLY CORRECT ERA. Even if we qualify with 'in God's eye we are all the same.' I agree in most with all the Ideas in the post on this thread BUT I to am not of color. No I do not believe the writers intent was to demean but they are brutality frank and ar e not wanting in our excusing their wording or meaning 'it is what it is' PHIL
  3. "I think the planetary/system rebellion adjudication should be thought of in terms of millions of years, perhaps, rather than a few hundred thousand years. Anyhow, that's my opinion." Meredith REPLY; I tend to agree BUT am also perplexed by how many UB readers believe it already has been Adjudicated. I also read in the FER that mentioned the Adjudication,return of Michael and entering light and life in 'ONE SENTENCE' so the millions of years seems to make sense(:
  4. "Moral choosing is usually accompanied by more or less moral conflict. And this very first conflict in the child mind is between the urges of egoism and the impulses of altruism. The Thought Adjuster does not disregard the personality values of the egoistic motive but does operate to place a slight preference upon the altruistic impulse as leading to the goal of human happiness and to the joys of the kingdom of heaven." 6
  5. "You are not now as men among men but as the enlightened citizens of another and heavenly country among the ignorant creatures of this dark world."pg1570 P.2076 - §3 "As you view the world, remember that the black patches of evil which you see are shown against a white background of ultimate good. You do not view merely white patches of good which show up miserably against a black background of evil." Which is it? Was the 'HUMAN' or 'SUPERHUMAN' in Jesus responsible for the first quote? Before cleverly trying to blend the two;I have been trying but read this; P.1140 - §7 Theology deals with the intellectual content of religion, metaphysics (revelation) with the philosophic aspects. Religious experience is the spiritual content of religion. Notwithstanding the mythologic vagaries and the psychologic illusions of the intellectual content of religion, the metaphysical assumptions of error and the techniques of self-deception, the political distortions and the socioeconomic perversions of the philosophic content of religion, the spiritual experience of personal religion remains genuine and valid. What is your experience?
  6. "The Urantia Book is grounding, while uplifting. It is a foundational piece for my understanding the reason and meaning for all the discipline of thought, cultivation of faith, to express consciously and lovingly here in this world - and experience the good, the true, and the beautiful..." REPLY; Well said Rick and your thoughts I believe ensures the eventual significant Dissemination of the FER AND ITS PRINCIPLES CHARACTER AND TRUTH BEAUTY AND GOODNESS.
  8. "P.669 - §3 Although the evolution of vegetable life can be traced into animal life, and though there have been found graduated series of plants and animals which progressively lead up from the most simple to the most complex and advanced organisms, you will not be able to find such connecting links between the great divisions of the animal kingdom nor between the highest of the prehuman animal types and the dawn men of the human races. These so-called "missing links" will forever remain missing, for the simple reason that they never existed." "From era to era radically new species of animal life arise. They do not evolve as the result of the gradual accumulation of small variations; they appear as full-fledged and new orders of life, and they appear suddenly."+ "Mind, while not a physical evolution, is wholly dependent on the brain capacity afforded by purely physical and evolutionary developments." "Through almost endless cycles of gains and losses, adjustments and readjustments, all living organisms swing back and forth from age to age. Those that attain cosmic unity persist, while those that fall short of this goal cease to exist."
  9. "The information you provided about Evangelicals is NOT proof about what "people" believe about "evolution". When I say "people", I am including "christians"." REPLY; That is true it is not proof of what people actually believe. but I do find it alarming that they are teaching children in a deceptive manor[if you saw the video] And yes I believe in your UN educate theory in this case especially. as you say I too may have been a victim I have faith the UB will help me rise up and out if that is the case. The few well educated are breed for Corporate use only. "Any questions about religions of authority being impotent in preventing the modern warfare that destroys the best stock of humanity?" reply; When have they even tried to 'prevent'? The 'best stock' are they really 'organized' religions customers? Funerals are sensitive and touchy situations your grammar correction could have gone either way.
  10. NUF WROTE; QUOTE (Jessica @ Jan 25 2009, 08:44 PM) * I find it embarrassing that Christians refuse to accept evolution. Hi Jessica, What "christians" are you talking about....? Obviously, its some small cult of conspiracy theory people - REPLY; ITS NO CULT ITS MILLIONS WITH POLITICAL AND COMMUNITY POWER; http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=8KwpkzaVjzw The real meat and potatoes of Friends of God, however, focuses on the church practices and practitioners of the Evangelical branch of Christianity. Playing a large role in Pelosi’s documentary is Pastor Ted Haggard, former head of the National Association of Evangelicals (NAE). While on the surface, it may seem that the religious Right may be just a part of “fringe culture”, there are (according Haggard in this documentary) between 50 and 80 million Evangelical Christians living in the United States. Encouraged by their faith and several of their pastors to “vote Biblically”, Evangelicals (more commonly known as “Born Again Christians") have a significant say in shaping US policy, not just in the voting booths, but as members of the current administration. According to Friends of God, there are more Evangelical Christian politicians in Congress, Senate, and even at the Executive Branch of government than any other administration in history. While Pelosi attempts to portray Evangelicals in as unbiased a light as possible, there are times when even she is overcome by the hard-sell approach of many believers. Even before Pelosi points it out to him, it’s rather plain that Pastor Ted is perpetually smiling…Even when he’s uneasy or angry. For the most part, Haggard speaks in glowing terms of his Colorado Springs congregation, with 16,000 people packed into its arena-style “modern mega-church” each weekend. Not much different than a rock concert or the rabid (yet completely unexplainable) fanbase of Celine Dion, footage shows worshippers rocking out to Christian music and touting church on a Saturday night as “the only place to be”. Objectively speaking, it’s not difficult to understand where Evangelical Christians are coming from. Their reactions to their faith aren’t much different than someone speaking passionately about their favorite rock group or the rush concertgoers feel when seeing a band live concert. In this case, their favorite rock star happens to be Jesus. By portraying this, Friends of God attempts to show that common ground exists between Evangelicals and secular America. On the other hand, when Pastor Ted opens up his mouth to “coach” his congregation not to appear “bizarre” to camera crews or on the premise that “Evangelical Christians have the best sex life of any other group”, it only makes any previously existing divide even larger. In a particularly cringe-worthy moment that is potentially uncomfortable for all involved, Haggard corrals a few male congregation members and gets them to proclaim to Pelosi that they get it on at least twice a day, their wives are always “satisfied”, and extol the virtues of procreational extracurriculars. Making things a bit more uncomfortable and again, negating any sense of common ground, Pastor Ted speaks of his congregation in a manner that issues a sharp divide between “us” and “them”, all while displaying his superlative dental work “It is a training camp (for spiritual warriors). We have our ideas and are promoting them. Just like any liberal state campus university campus is a training camp of ideas to promote liberalism over Evangelical Christianity.” It is interesting to note that this was filmed only months before Haggard was deposed as the head of the NAE for sexual misconduct, soliciting a male prostitute and attempting to purchase crystal meth. Remember, kids, “Haggard” rhymes with “Swaggart”. It’s not just Haggard who espouses further, borderline militant alienation from secular society. Ken Horn’s group, Answers In Genesis, is bent on refuting the theory of evolution. As revealed in Friends of God, over 54 million people over the age of 18 do not believe in evolution. Answers In Genesis starts ‘em young with a children’s workshop, presided over by Buddy Davis and his catchy ditty, “Behemoth Was a Dinosaur”, relating that the gigantic creature from the Book of Job was actually a holdover from the days of the dinosaurs, in spite of the fact that science, so far, has proven that the giant lizards and humans did not coexist in the same era. Neither side seems to budge on the issue of Creationism vs. Evolution, and the debate over Pro-Life and Pro-Choice is yet another divisive factor. The late Reverend Jerry Falwell offers that “you can’t be Christian and Pro-Choice”. As another religious/political hotbed of controversy, gay marriage and how the church addresses homosexuality is put into focus, thanks to the Reverend Mel White, Falwell’s former ghostwriter who was excommunicated from the community because he is gay. White, visibly moved in his portion of the documentary, still attends church in spite of his alienation, nothing it’s “better to listen and know their agenda” than to stick one’s head in the sand and ignore the hurtful things said. Ironically enough, the voice in the documentary with the most rational outlook on the current situation of commingled religion and politics does not come from a theologian, politician, or church leader. In fact, the healthiest outlook of those profiled in Friends of God belongs to Brad Stine, the self-proclaimed America’s Conservative Comedian. Stine boils it down by saying that “When I’m performing, I’m a preacher. But when Chris Rock does it, he’s a social commentator. Everybody preaches. Every time Bruce Springsteen writes a song… he’s preaching. That’s okay! Everybody stands for something and tries to persuade. That’s the American Way. All I’m asking is that liberals let me have my point of view. Because that’s what ‘liberal’ is supposed to be.” While the film underscores the sharp division between Red- and Blue-State (of mind) ideologies, it only begs the question of why there can be no middle ground rather than directly answering it or even attempting to answer it. Why is it so difficult to be a Christian and still believe in Darwinism? Why can’t there be room for theology and science to co-exist? While Evangelicals call for religious tolerance, there does not seem to be much tolerance for those who don’t fit their agenda. Accounting for a significant percentage of American society, Evangelicals are still not the vast majority of Americans, but are gaining steam. While it would be hypocritical to discount their faith and the importance it holds in their everyday lives, many other sects of Christianity, other non-Christian based faiths, and agnostic or atheist Americans shouldn’t be steam-rolled over, either. That’s not to say that there aren’t militant factions in each of the aforementioned groups who are equally vehement about blanketing society with their personal beliefs. It’s a matter of perspective.
  11. Hi All; Many Christians observe passover NOT Easter. If you want to give it a shot; The Biblical month of Abib corresponds to March/April and runs from March 20 to April 19. Passover is ALWAYS observed on the evening of Abib 14 which is April 2. Passover never moves from that date like the lunar calendar does. It is an annual memorial to “proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes.” 1 Corinthains 11:23-29 All the annual Feasts, or Holy Days, recorded in Leviticus 23 are SET from the Spring and Autumn equinoxes. The only Feast that “moves” is Pentecost (called the Feast of Weeks) which means “count fifty” days (or 7 weeks) from the day after the Sabbath within the Days of Unleavened Bread. Pentecost is always observed on Sunday. Once a Christian has been exposed to Truth, they must search the scriptures to see if these things are so. They cannot and must not follow the traditions of organized religion in the place of God’s instructions. If you are unable to meet with other Christians at Passover, start a Biblical tradition in your home. Passover Service At Home After serving a full supper meal on the evening (after sunset) of Abib 14 (April 2), clear the dishes from the table, and place some unleavened bread and fruit of the vine (this can be plain grape juice or red wine… both are “fruit of the vine”. Gather the family around the table, including the children… Passover is for the whole family. Read the following scriptures aloud. The reason for Passover………………………………. Exodus 12:1-14 What does this service mean?………………………..Exodus 12:24-27 A statute forever………………………………………….. Leviticus 23:1-14 The New Testament Passover - Just Do What Jesus Did The Breaking of the Bread………………………….Matthew 26:17-26 Mark 14:22 Luke 22:19 The Cup………………………………………………………Matthew 26:27-29 Mark 14:23-25 Luke 22:20 The Hymn……………………………………………………Matthew 26:30 Mark 14:26 Read Psalm 118:19-24 Sing verse 24 or another hymn from the Psalms This concludes the Passover service. Spend the rest of the evening discussing Passover and praising Yahweh for so great a salvation. Because HE has not forgotten us, we should not forget Him. Passover is such an important event that it’s the only Feast that God allows a “make up”… on the 14th day of the second month of Ziv… May 3rd. Numbers 9:1-14
  12. Hi Jessica; As to deleting my post it was mostly tongue and cheek and a member found it offensive.[not my intent] you wrote; "Jesus teaching about the refusal to defend oneself doesn’t apply to the military as a whole. We’re all agreed that personal fighting is self-assertion, but what about carrying a personal handgun? Would a gun on a (civilian) woman go against the non-defense teaching? I don’t know. We could do a whole new topic thread about Jesus’ self defense teachings." Reply; I have been on a forum were this was debated and it got testy. It was based around a quote on page 804 and another on 1608 that seemed contradictory [and a coincidence that the number doubled exactly.] I could go on in length but its off topic. There was a movie THE MISSION were a passive and self assertive approach was made at self defense with same conclusion every one was killed. Made the UB point of passive is purly negative and evil for evil self assertive is positive but unrightious and only good can overcome evil. With good overcoming evil the results are instant in the spiritual world but not so clear or noticed in our world[material] Jesus could have defended himself with legions of Angles at his disposal but he chose not to. But we are not Jesus and the UB admonishes us on that fact. I found this article and man[Desmond Doss] to seem to be what is right and maximum courage in material reality of War.[imo] http://www.homeofheroes.com/profiles/profiles_doss.html page 804; But such an ideal society cannot be realized when either the weak or the wicked lie in wait to take unfair and unholy advantage of those who are chiefly actuated by devotion to the service of truth, beauty, and goodness. In such a situation only one course is practical: The "golden rulers" may establish a progressive society in which they live according to their ideals while maintaining an adequate defense against their benighted fellows who might seek either to exploit their pacific predilections or to destroy their advancing civilization. page 1608; "Today, the unbelievers may taunt you with preaching a gospel of nonresistance and with living lives of nonviolence, but you are the first volunteers of a long line of sincere believers in the gospel of this kingdom who will astonish all mankind by their heroic devotion to these teachings. No armies of the world have ever displayed more courage and bravery than will be portrayed by you and your loyal successors who shall go forth to all the world proclaiming the good news--the fatherhood of God and the brotherhood of men. The courage of the flesh is the lowest form of bravery. Mind bravery is a higher type of human courage, but the highest and supreme is uncompromising loyalty to the enlightened convictions of profound spiritual realities. And such courage constitutes the heroism of the God-knowing man. And you are all God-knowing men; you are in very truth the personal associates of the Son of Man."
  13. Deleted post myself as value was little PHIL
  14. Hi Nuff; I don't see any of your creations 'ON THIS FORUM' landing on the Sea of Glass or Ideas used by the Supreme Being but some of the creations by MALE French Chefs might make it and the thoughts and Ideals of Ghandi,MLK AND OTHER GREAT AND SPIRITUAL MEN. I can't think of any Women right now but there must be 1 or so. NOW SERIOUSLY; I do not intend for my lack of cognitive expression[as you called it] to cause you to post is such negative and attention drawing[even if it is positive] sarcasm. I know with experience even if you are content with the wit and the astuteness of your points and thinking: it is only a fleeting High and a spiritual drain in the end. I truly enjoy your wit and observations and if I am wrong and this type post brings you joy, bring them on. One question; Where do you put yourself between the Man hunting and serving 'Women' and the Women abusing and oppressing 'Men'? And whats wrong with my 75 year old Mother who believes in that God created by the Desert Drunk Men and she also Respects the Pope? okay that was 2 questions. PHIL PS; To answer your question I was expressing my Ideas about self assertion and added since you and Jessica shared your views/experiences on Men and Woman I shared some of mine.
  15. Hi Jessica; you wrote; "I figured out why it is that we have been given a book instead of a Son as our 5th epochal revelation. WE’RE BARBARIANS!!! Look at the cruel and unusual death that our Bestowal Son received" Reply; And after Ghandi and Dr King they new a wise choice was made you wrote "You’re right, Nameless. The media is used to unenlighten women. There’s nothing but images of women doing kung fu in the media. This is where I personally believe feminists practice self-assertion and self-liberty." and 'I avoid TV and movies because nobody in Hollywood seems to know the difference between positive aggression and self-assertion. ' reply; I see women in the media more so for selling products or themselves with sexuality and a touch of Kung Fu BUT in the movies and TV you may have missed THEY have plenty of assertive Women who kick some butt. In Video Games also but to be honest in the Media there is some 'positive' aggressive Women role models who also display their femininity with confidence to balance it off somewhat. I work for a Women who is good at running her company and Managing her personnel and being a Women and embracing her femininity even in the Construction Business in the South dealing with Rich 'good ole boys.' Phil
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