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  1. Alina, we're back to the foreward, whereby definitions on Deity and God are given. For me this satisfies both the maps and the map readers. Never before have we been given such a revelation when distinguishing an Infinite Deity.


    Yes, Raymond! :) as this is a subject very controversial, misunderstood, this Orvonton Divine Counselor, Chief of the Corps of superuniverse Personalities, has warned us:



    (1.1) 0:0.1 IN THE MINDS of the mortals of Urantia — that being the name of your world — there exists great confusion respecting the meaning of such terms as God, divinity, and deity. Human beings are still more confused and uncertain about the relationships of the divine personalities designated by these numerous appellations. Because of this conceptual poverty associated with so much ideational confusion, I have been directed to formulate this introductory statement in explanation of the meanings which should be attached to certain word symbols as they may be hereinafter used in those papers which the Orvonton corps of truth revealers have been authorized to translate into the English language of Urantia.


    (1.2) 0:0.2 It is exceedingly difficult to present enlarged concepts and advanced truth, in our endeavor to expand cosmic consciousness and enhance spiritual perception, when we are restricted to the use of a circumscribed language of the realm. But our mandate admonishes us to make every effort to convey our meanings by using the word symbols of the English tongue. We have been instructed to introduce new terms only when the concept to be portrayed finds no terminology in English which can be employed to convey such a new concept partially or even with more or less distortion of meaning.







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  2. Hi Alina,

    three on the absonite level

    time, spiritual gravity, ???




    Hi Pike, all! :)

    I Agree Scott!


    § 1. new factors appearing on the absonite level


    Post-finite Creatures. These are the personalities, perfect and perfected, who have participated in the growth of the Supreme and, in association with him, escape previous limitations to begin the new adventure toward the goal of creature existence on new levels of Ultimate reality. These beings will specifically include the mortal finaliters as well as their finaliter-associates of the six non-mortal finaliter corps, and many non-finaliter colleagues. All of these beings will be serving in the outer space universes, and will, at the same time, be engaged in the absonite quest for God the Father – the attempt to find God as Ultimate.


    Here complete information:







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  3. Well I can't speak for everyone. I myself believe that the Adjuster has the highest concept of God possible and IMO slowly but surely we can have his concept of God. I think that discovering more and more of God is the journey of eternity for us though. Even once we have stood in the presence of the Universal Father IMO we will just be stratching the surface. I think we will always have an ever expanding god concept forever and ever.


    I agree Scott, I sometimes think that both are valid. First, God is my Father in heaven, my small mind, inferior, can not cover a whole, but is my Father and the Father of all. Moreover, I think that if a fragment of the Father living in me. I am that piece, because without it there could not recognize my Father, as such. If we did not have the divine spark, we would not have the necessary light, to realize the reality that lives in us.

    Reality of the "image and likeness"


    (1281.4) 117:3.2 The Supreme is the divine channel through which flows the creative infinity of the triodities that crystallizes into the galactic panorama of space, against which takes place the magnificent personality drama of time: the spirit conquest of energy-matter through the mediation of mind.



    (1281.5) 117:3.3 Said Jesus: “I am the living way,” and so he is the living way from the material level of self-consciousness to the spiritual level of God-consciousness. And even as he is this living way of ascension from the self to God, so is the Supreme the living way from finite consciousness to transcendence of consciousness, even to the insight of absonity.


    (1281.6) 117:3.4 Your Creator Son can actually be such a living channel from humanity to divinity since he has personally experienced the fullness of the traversal of this universe path of progression, from the true humanity of Joshua ben Joseph, the Son of Man, to the Paradise divinity of Michael of Nebadon, the Son of the infinite God. Similarly can the Supreme Being function as the universe approach to the transcendence of finite limitations, for he is the actual embodiment and personal epitome of all creature evolution, progression, and spiritualization. Even the grand universe experiences of the descending personalities from Paradise are that part of his experience which is complemental to his summation of the ascending experiences of the pilgrims of time.

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  4. Thanks Scott!


    And it is difficult but possible. Patience :)




    (1295.6) 118:1.6 Patience is exercised by those mortals whose time units are short; true maturity transcends patience by a forbearance born of real understanding.



    (1295.7) 118:1.7 To become mature is to live more intensely in the present, at the same time escaping from the limitations of the present. The plans of maturity, founded on past experience, are coming into being in the present in such manner as to enhance the values of the future.


    (1295.8) 118:1.8 The time unit of immaturity concentrates meaning-value into the present moment in such a way as to divorce the present of its true relationship to the not-present — the past-future. The time unit of maturity is proportioned so to reveal the co-ordinate relationship of past-present-future that the self begins to gain insight into the wholeness of events, begins to view the landscape of time from the panoramic perspective of broadened horizons, begins perhaps to suspect the nonbeginning, nonending eternal continuum, the fragments of which are called time.


    (1296.1) 118:1.9 On the levels of the infinite and the absolute the moment of the present contains all of the past as well as all of the future. I AM signifies also I WAS and I WILL BE. And this represents our best concept of eternity and the eternal.


    (1296.2) 118:1.10 On the absolute and eternal level, potential reality is just as meaningful as actual reality. Only on the finite level and to time-bound creatures does there appear to be such a vast difference. To God, as absolute, an ascending mortal who has made the eternal decision is already a Paradise finaliter. But the Universal Father, through the indwelling Thought Adjuster, is not thus limited in awareness but can also know of, and participate in, every temporal struggle with the problems of the creature ascent from animallike to Godlike levels of existence.


    But then, what would be the highest concept of God that we should experience, Father or I am?




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  5. Hi Pike, Nelson, all...


    Pike; Could this be what you mean?




    (1226.13) 112:1.9 The type of personality bestowed upon Urantia mortals has a potentiality of seven dimensions of self-expression or person-realization. These dimensional phenomena are realizable as three on the finite level, three on the absonite level, and one on the absolute level. On subabsolute levels this seventh or totality dimension is experiencible as the fact of personality. This supreme dimension is an associable absolute and, while not infinite, is dimensionally potential for subinfinite penetration of the absolute.





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  6. ...The way I think about this is that at the Infinite level all these arms or branches which are personalizations of God all meet back up at the I AM which would be like the tree trunk. IMO these personalizations are all one being at the highest functional level of reality, yet as this I AM moves downwards we see all these arms spread out as personalizations which could be thought of as branches. So from the bottom looking up it appears that there are these separate Gods yet from the I AM perspective there is just one God spreading downwards in many directions.


    Yeah, Scott! so it seems to me too! :)


    What difencia between the concept of vengeful God, punishing and cruel, with God's Love! no?

    “And then will you remember that once again — in the greater spiritual enlightenment of Isaiah’s day — these ten negative commandments were changed into the great and positive law of love, the injunction to love God supremely and your neighbor as yourself. And it is this supreme law of love for God and for man that I also declare to you as constituting the whole duty of man.”(1599.14)



    I think it is difficult for humans to understand this! It seems impossible after so many years, do not forget that you are trying, from Machiventa Melchizedek, and still is difficult, that it's been about four thousand years! Actually we have an idea or perception of time that is definitely too short!

    But apparently, some people teach these truths which seem premature, one of them was Nordan the Kenite who taught him about the superuniverse and Havona.Nordan and other disciples, apparently were far ahead! as members of the family of Katro.There have always been developed for its time.


    (1016.4) 93:3.2 Melchizedek taught the concept of one God, a universal Deity, but he allowed the people to associate this teaching with the Constellation Father of Norlatiadek, whom he termed El Elyon — the Most High. Melchizedek remained all but silent as to the status of Lucifer and the state of affairs on Jerusem. Lanaforge, the System Sovereign, had little to do with Urantia until after the completion of Michael’s bestowal. To a majority of the Salem students Edentia was heaven and the Most High was God.



    1016.5) 93:3.3 The symbol of the three concentric circles, which Melchizedek adopted as the insignia of his bestowal, a majority of the people interpreted as standing for the three kingdoms of men, angels, and God. And they were allowed to continue in that belief; very few of his followers ever knew that these three circles were emblematic of the infinity, eternity, and universality of the Paradise Trinity of divine maintenance and direction; even Abraham rather regarded this symbol as standing for the three Most Highs of Edentia, as he had been instructed that the three Most Highs functioned as one. To the extent that Melchizedek taught the Trinity concept symbolized in his insignia, he usually associated it with the three Vorondadek rulers of the constellation of Norlatiadek.


    (1016.6) 93:3.4 To the rank and file of his followers he made no effort to present teaching beyond the fact of the rulership of the Most Highs of Edentia — Gods of Urantia. But to some, Melchizedek taught advanced truth, embracing the conduct and organization of the local universe, while to his brilliant disciple Nordan the Kenite and his band of earnest students he taught the truths of the superuniverse and even of Havona.


    (1016.7) 93:3.5 The members of the family of Katro, with whom Melchizedek lived for more than thirty years, knew many of these higher truths and long perpetuated them in their family, even to the days of their illustrious descendant Moses, who thus had a compelling tradition of the days of Melchizedek handed down to him on this, his father’s side, as well as through other sources on his mother’s side.





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  7. The Passover at Jerusalem


    The Concept of God



    (1598.2) 142:3.1 The twelve apostles, most of whom had listened to this discussion of the character of God, that night asked Jesus many questions about the Father in heaven. The Master’s answers to these questions can best be presented by the following summary in modern phraseology:


    (1598.3) 142:3.2 Jesus mildly upbraided the twelve, in substance saying: Do you not know the traditions of Israel relating to the growth of the idea of Yahweh, and are you ignorant of the teaching of the Scriptures concerning the doctrine of God? And then did the Master proceed to instruct the apostles about the evolution of the concept of Deity throughout the course of the development of the Jewish people. He called attention to the following phases of the growth of the God idea:

    the god of the Sinai clans. This was the primitive concept of Deity which Moses exalted to the higher level of the Lord God of Israel. The Father in heaven never fails to accept the sincere worship of his children on earth, no matter how crude their concept of Deity or by what name they symbolize his divine nature.


    The Most High
    This concept of the Father in heaven was proclaimed by Melchizedek to Abraham and was carried far from Salem by those who subsequently believed in this enlarged and expanded idea of Deity. Abraham and his brother left Ur because of the establishment of sun worship, and they became believers in Melchizedek’s teaching of El Elyon — the Most High God. Theirs was a composite concept of God, consisting in a blending of their older Mesopotamian ideas and the Most High doctrine.


    El Shaddai.
    During these early days many of the Hebrews worshiped El Shaddai, the Egyptian concept of the God of heaven, which they learned about during their captivity in the land of the Nile. Long after the times of Melchizedek all three of these concepts of God became joined together to form the doctrine of the creator Deity, the Lord God of Israel.


    From the times of Adam the teaching of the Paradise Trinity has persisted. Do you not recall how the Scriptures begin by asserting that “In the beginning the Gods created the heavens and the earth”? This indicates that when that record was made the Trinity concept of three Gods in one had found lodgment in the religion of our forebears.


    The Supreme Yahweh.
    By the times of Isaiah these beliefs about God had expanded into the concept of a Universal Creator who was simultaneously all-powerful and all-merciful. And this evolving and enlarging concept of God virtually supplanted all previous ideas of Deity in our fathers’ religion.


    The Father in heaven.
    And now do we know God as our Father in heaven. Our teaching provides a religion wherein the believer
    a son of God. That is the good news of the gospel of the kingdom of heaven. Coexistent with the Father are the Son and the Spirit, and the revelation of the nature and ministry of these Paradise Deities will continue to enlarge and brighten throughout the endless ages of the eternal spiritual progression of the ascending sons of God. At all times and during all ages the true worship of any human being — as concerns individual spiritual progress — is recognized by the indwelling spirit as homage rendered to the Father in heaven.


    (1599.1) 142:3.9 Never before had the apostles been so shocked as they were upon hearing this recounting of the growth of the concept of God in the Jewish minds of previous generations; they were too bewildered to ask questions. As they sat before Jesus in silence, the Master continued: “And you would have known these truths had you read the Scriptures. Have you not read in Samuel where it says: ‘And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, so much so that he moved David against them, saying, go number Israel and Judah’? And this was not strange because in the days of Samuel the children of Abraham really believed that Yahweh created both good and evil. But when a later writer narrated these events, subsequent to the enlargement of the Jewish concept of the nature of God, he did not dare attribute evil to Yahweh; therefore he said: ‘And Satan stood up against Israel and provoked David to number Israel.’ Cannot you discern that such records in the Scriptures clearly show how the concept of the nature of God continued to grow from one generation to another?


    (1599.2) 142:3.10 “Again should you have discerned the growth of the understanding of divine law in perfect keeping with these enlarging concepts of divinity. When the children of Israel came out of Egypt in the days before the enlarged revelation of Yahweh, they had ten commandments which served as their law right up to the times when they were encamped before Sinai. And these ten commandments were:


    “1. You shall worship no other god, for the Lord is a jealous God.

    “2. You shall not make molten gods.

    “3. You shall not neglect to keep the feast of unleavened bread.

    “4. Of all the males of men or cattle, the first-born are mine, says the Lord.

    “5. Six days you may work, but on the seventh day you shall rest.

    “6. You shall not fail to observe the feast of the first fruits and the feast of the ingathering at the end of the year.

    “7. You shall not offer the blood of any sacrifice with leavened bread.

    “8. The sacrifice of the feast of the Passover shall not be left until morning.

    “9. The first of the first fruits of the ground you shall bring to the house of the Lord your God.

    “10. You shall not seethe a kid in its mother’s milk.


    (1599.13) 142:3.21 “And then, amidst the thunders and lightnings of Sinai, Moses gave them the new ten commandments, which you will all allow are more worthy utterances to accompany the enlarging Yahweh concepts of Deity. And did you never take notice of these commandments as twice recorded in the Scriptures, that in the first case deliverance from Egypt is assigned as the reason for Sabbath keeping, while in a later record the advancing religious beliefs of our forefathers demanded that this be changed to the recognition of the fact of creation as the reason for Sabbath observance?


    (1599.14) 142:3.22 “And then will you remember that once again — in the greater spiritual enlightenment of Isaiah’s day — these ten negative commandments were changed into the great and positive law of love, the injunction to love God supremely and your neighbor as yourself. And it is this supreme law of love for God and for man that I also declare to you as constituting the whole duty of man.”


    (1600.1) 142:3.23 And when he had finished speaking, no man asked him a question. They went, each one to his sleep.


    We could add the Concept of God's UB. right? Questions as well as comments, additional quotes.




    Greetings! :)




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  8. Hi to all! :)


    With relation personal growth, I think the Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits, which are in fact, an awareness of the Divine Minister, and are always subordinate to action and creative presence of his mother, and the Ascension of the Seven Psychic Circles of cosmic growth, are essential to produce real growth and progress.

    Actually there can be no growth (except physical) without progress, or progress without growth.



    (402.6) 36:5.9 4. The spirit of knowledge — the curiosity-mother of adventure and discovery, the scientific spirit; the guide and faithful associate of the spirits of courage and counsel; the urge to direct the endowments of courage into useful and progressive paths of growth.


    (1209.3) 110:6.3 The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement. The successful traversal of these levels demands the harmonious functioning of the entire personality, not merely of some one phase thereof. The growth of the parts does not equal the true maturation of the whole; the parts really grow in proportion to the expansion of the entire self — the whole self — material, intellectual, and spiritual.


    (402.9) 36:5.12 7. The spirit of wisdom — the inherent tendency of all moral creatures towards orderly and progressive evolutionary advancement. This is the highest of the adjutants, the spirit co-ordinator and articulator of the work of all the others. This spirit is the secret of that inborn urge of mind creatures which initiates and maintains the practical and effective program of the ascending scale of existence; that gift of living things which accounts for their inexplicable ability to survive and, in survival, to utilize the co-ordination of all their past experience and present opportunities for the acquisition of all of everything that all of the other six mental ministers can mobilize in the mind of the organism concerned. Wisdom is the acme of intellectual performance. Wisdom is the goal of a purely mental and moral existence.







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  9. Good Day Pike, Bradly, all!


    FanofVan, Very timely your quote!



    Thank Pike, I know. I am very informed, because I have a very dear friend Croatian since many years living here! For my part, what I can say! Here governs us is someone who believes that she is "Cleopatra"and his entourage :) !

    The idiosyncrasy of my country is very special, very complex to explain here.

    It is unfortunate that some of the people prefer not to work and comply with a small house, which gives the government some money, and are present and added public acts of government.

    It's very sad, because not all are like that, and give a picture that is not quite real when it comes to thinking of people, especially middle and upper classes, who like myself, did not adhere at all, to this model, if you can say so, but that has been the history of my country, since childhood, without interruptions talk of democracy, with military interventions... etc.

    What little respect for those who declared our Independence, and to those real heroes as was José de San Martín and many Others!

    Well have much, much to say ...


    (1135.1) 103:5.11 But man is not saved or ennobled by pressure. Spirit growth springs from within the evolving soul. Pressure may deform the personality, but it never stimulates growth. Even educational pressure is only negatively helpful in that it may aid in the prevention of disastrous experiences. Spiritual growth is greatest where all external pressures are at a minimum. “Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.” Man develops best when the pressures of home, community, church, and state are least. But this must not be construed as meaning that there is no place in a progressive society for home, social institutions, church, and state.







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  10. "If we place the beginning of the history of Nebadon in the arrival of Michael, then we can say that the local universe is about 100 billion years older than Lucifer, which means one and a third older.


    We calculate the age of a abandontario Uversa as 30,000 billion years. If Orvonton is one and one third oldest, then we should add 10,000 billion years ago at the age of abandontario to reach the estimated age of Orvonton. The sum of these two numbers gives a total time span of 40,000 billion years for the estimated age of our superuniverse"


    Read here and see if it helps:




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  11. Bradly aka/fanofVan-Posted Today, 01:08 PM

    Well....I certainly don't have any connections or information about what's to come or when or how. I expect to view the evolutionary transformations to come here from Mansonia. I just have faith in those in charge...and they're not mortals.


    Bradly, me neither... :) But, I think that the transformation must come from an awareness relation religion.When there are many people realize Who we are, What we do here, Where we go. I find that this growth. The new capacity expansion by undoubtedly will make everything change, It would be like looking from another perspective or change focus.The main thing is that this new approach would lead to less speculation, the lies etc.

    I think the arrival of the Fifth Revelation can do much to enhance the growth, as long as it is practiced, but must be the conditions,also the time for this to manifest massively.



    (591.3) 52:2.3...The evolution of the religious capacity of receptivity in the inhabitants of a world largely determines their rate of spiritual advancement and the extent of religious revelation.


    (1086.5) 99:1.2 Religion must become a forceful influence for moral stability and spiritual progression functioning dynamically in the midst of these ever-changing conditions and never-ending economic adjustments.


    (1087.6) 99:2.3 Religionists must function in society, in industry, and in politics as individuals, not as groups, parties, or institutions. A religious group which presumes to function as such, apart from religious activities, immediately becomes a political party, an economic organization, or a social institution. Religious collectivism must confine its efforts to the furtherance of religious causes.



    Greetings to all!




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  12. Hola Bradly, all!


    We lack real leaders! Wise leaders, by that I mean, that cover the broad spectrum that is needed to get produce growth, clean, on everything clean and transparent ...Lucid but not worn.

    But know this that is progressive, but sudden changes may also occur, according to Revelations.


    On the other hand you say:


    "I think it important to remember that planetary progress is in the hands of those who know what they're about and are experienced and capable. Perhaps we are not such a

    challenge as we appear or imagine? As Raymond points out -our point of view (perspective) is from underneath or fromwithin the transformation and our time here so short towitness progress - it's hard to see the horizen from thealigator pit. And as Sister Alina demonstrates in thistopic - growth is hard to discern when progress in manyways is so uneven...."


    From their point of view, it seems that we will not see significant changes, at least being here, maybe you'll let us hear from the universe broadcasts and we find out what happens in Urantia. :D

    But we do not know, actually we do not have the ability to know date and time that something unexpected might happen, right?


    (1863.12) 170:4.14 This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus’ doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls.


    (1087.4) 99:2.1 Institutional religion cannot afford inspiration and provide leadership in this impending world-wide social reconstruction and economic reorganization because it has unfortunately become more or less of an organic part of the social order and the economic system which is destined to undergo reconstruction. Only the real religion of personal spiritual experience can function helpfully and creatively in the present crisis of civilization.


    (1089.10) 99:4.2 Social leadership is transformed by spiritual insight; religion prevents all collective movements from losing sight of their true objectives...

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  13. Hi all! :)


    Scott, I agree, the government of a neighboring planet, it occurs to me that have a double meaning, describe its operation, but also as a model or as a hint for us to pay attention on these points.

    It is possible that Melchizedek gave this Paper, it was to give us some points that fit very well for our growth, especially emphasized as it should, and as a government should not be Representative. I think we all agree with the 10 ítems, some of which seem to comply, but I think there are a lot are only apparent in the effective implementation...


    The Evolution of Representative Government



    (801.13) 71:2.1 Democracy, while an ideal, is a product of civilization, not of evolution. Go slowly! select carefully! for the dangers of democracy are:


    1.Glorification of mediocrity.

    2. Choice of base and ignorant rulers.

    3. Failure to recognize the basic facts of social evolution.

    4. Danger of universal suffrage in the hands of uneducated and indolent majorities. 5. Slavery to public opinion; the majority is not always right.


    (802.1) 71:2.7 Public opinion, common opinion, has always delayed society; nevertheless, it is valuable, for, while retarding social evolution, it does preserve civilization. Education of public opinion is the only safe and true method of accelerating civilization; force is only a temporary expedient, and cultural growth will increasingly accelerate as bullets give way to ballots. Public opinion, the mores, is the basic and elemental energy in social evolution and state development, but to be of state value it must be nonviolent in expression.


    (802.2) 71:2.8 The measure of the advance of society is directly determined by the degree to which public opinion can control personal behavior and state regulation through nonviolent expression. The really civilized government had arrived when public opinion was clothed with the powers of personal franchise. Popular elections may not always decide things rightly, but they represent the right way even to do a wrong thing. Evolution does not at once produce superlative perfection but rather comparative and advancing practical adjustment.


    (802.3) 71:2.9 There are ten steps, or stages, to the evolution of a practical and efficient form of representative government, and these are:


    1. Freedom of the person. Slavery, serfdom, and all forms of human bondage must disappear.


    2. Freedom of the mind. Unless a free people are educated — taught to think intelligently and plan wisely — freedom usually does more harm than good.


    3. The reign of law. Liberty can be enjoyed only when the will and whims of human rulers are replaced by legislative enactments in accordance with accepted fundamental law.


    4. Freedom of speech. Representative government is unthinkable without freedom of all forms of expression for human aspirations and opinions.


    5. Security of property. No government can long endure if it fails to provide for the right to enjoy personal property in some form. Man craves the right to use, control, bestow, sell, lease, and bequeath his personal property.


    6. The right of petition. Representative government assumes the right of citizens to

    be heard. The privilege of petition is inherent in free citizenship.


    7. The right to rule. It is not enough to be heard; the power of petition must progress to the actual management of the government.


    8. Universal suffrage. Representative government presupposes an intelligent, efficient, and universal electorate. The character of such a government will ever be determined by the character and caliber of those who compose it. As civilization progresses, suffrage, while remaining universal for both sexes, will be effectively modified, regrouped, and otherwise differentiated.


    9. Control of public servants. No civil government will be serviceable and effective unless the citizenry possess and use wise techniques of guiding and controlling officeholders and public servants.


    10. Intelligent and trained representation. The survival of democracy is dependent on successful representative government; and that is conditioned upon the practice of electing to public offices only those individuals who are technically trained, intellectually competent, socially loyal, and morally fit. Only by such provisions can government of the people, by the people, and for the people be preserved.






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  14. Hello!


    Thank you all! :)


    I believe that all change, involving growth and progress, is based on personal ideals, I say this because ideas abound in this world, I would say too many, but there is a lack of ideals.What happens when a man wakes up and realizes that we are part of an organized whole? and that the world is not just this speck of dust in space, nor the center of the universe

    It seems to me that our vision is much broader, and with it Ideals born, but these do not appear in land massively, not suddenly, but are the result of a process of personal growth and individual.

    Therefore, the UB, tells us that i we are who must "provide the conditions" but this I think is really going to be ready when those ideals do not fall into idealism, and when we find the method that we will use.


    So, the genuine progress is growing and provides a new evolutionary turn, knowing more about the truth

    together with the intelligence and genuine spirituality and rising steadily growing, is itself a fact that produce a new man.

    Let's not forget "Progressive Civilization" :) (576.4) 50:5.1


    To see that seem these quotes:



    (1097.4) 100:3.7 Man cannot cause growth, but he can supply favorable conditions. Growth is always unconscious, be it physical, intellectual, or spiritual. Love thus grows; it cannot be created, manufactured, or purchased; it must grow. Evolution is a cosmic technique of growth. Social growth cannot be secured by legislation, and moral growth is not had by improved administration. Man may manufacture a machine, but its real value must be derived from human culture and personal appreciation. Man’s sole contribution to growth is the mobilization of the total powers of his personality — living faith.


    (1133.2) 103:4.2 When primitive man felt that his communion with God had been interrupted, he resorted to sacrifice of some kind in an effort to make atonement, to restore friendly relationship. The hunger and thirst for righteousness leads to the discovery of truth, and truth augments ideals, and this creates new problems for the individual religionists, for our ideals tend to grow by geometrical progression, while our ability to live up to them is enhanced only by arithmetical progression.



    Greetings... :D




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  15. Hi Bradly, Raymond, all!


    Thank you!


    FanofVan, continue talking and thinking about this with your wife. :D


    Yes... . Fear is a powerful enemy, well you say, is "masterfully" used ...! as it somehow.

    The worst thing is that strip us of that legacy costs, in some cases, others acquire ourselves.

    Fears, even though we know where they come from, what is your goal and you are a "lie" sometimes we are marked,are like a stick in our mind-memory, as a "ghost" :unsure: that appears when we least expect.

    But knowledge helps us a lot, at least we have identified those thoughts and can scare!

    The sad thing is that there are many people who are unaware Who are? and What is your objective ...?

    Of course, put a brake on real progress, we grow in some ways, but generates distrust fear the worst, in my opinion, is to become in insecure persons, and in these conditions we can not free to update potential. And so, there is no progress, no growth possible.


    Although, this is not the case for everyone, but it is quite common. The day finally break the chains of apparent fears, those who have no justification, is experienced greater sense of inner freedom, something that before was unthinkable for us.

    Knowledge, Faith-Confidence are our allies.


    Here, two interesting quotes;


    Alina gret thread. Do you know if there is a quote in the UB that states that there is no emotional maturity/growth without spiritual progression or words to that effect?


    Hello Raymond :) the first corresponds to your question.


    (1097.3) 100:3.6 The association of actuals and potentials equals growth, the experiential realization of values. But growth is not mere progress. Progress is always meaningful, but it is relatively value less without growth. The supreme value of human life consists in growth of values, progress in meanings, and realization of the cosmic interrelatedness of both of these experiences. And such an experience is the equivalent of God-consciousness. Such a mortal, while not supernatural, is truly becoming superhuman; an immortal soul is evolving.


    (1097.4) 100:3.7 Man cannot cause growth, but he can supply favorable conditions. Growth is always unconscious, be it physical, intellectual, or spiritual. Love thus grows; it cannot be created, manufactured, or purchased; it must grow. Evolution is a cosmic technique of growth. Social growth cannot be secured by legislation, and moral growth is not had by improved administration. Man may manufacture a machine, but its real value must be derived from human culture and personal appreciation. Man’s sole contribution to growth is the mobilization of the total powers of his personality — living faith.





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  16. Complete the quote above, I thought it was not going to understand, unless we seek, and that often we do not. :D

    Alina said:

    "But it seems to me, we have to recognize that this distortion, to a greater or less degree is installed in the current culture, not because they not believe in God, but it seems to me that what is missing is the sense of priority and location time and space"




    (1269.3) 116:1.4 The time-space mind, the cosmic mind, is differently functioning in the seven superuniverses, but it is co-ordinated by some unknown associative technique in the Supreme Being. The Almighty overcontrol of the grand universe is not exclusively physical and spiritual. In the seven superuniverses it is primarily material and spiritual, but there are also present phenomena of the Supreme which are both intellectual and spiritual.


    (1269.4) 116:1.5 We really know less about the mind of Supremacy than about any other aspect of this evolving Deity. It is unquestionably active throughout the grand universe and is believed to have a potential destiny of master universe function which is of vast extent. But this we do know: Whereas physique may attain completed growth, and whereas spirit may achieve perfection of development, mind never ceases to progress — it is the experiential technique of endless progress. The Supreme is an experiential Deity and therefore never achieves completion of mind attainment.







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  17. Scott:

    Glad you serve this quote :) , apparently that's the balance that we seek to grow and make real progress.For me, balance is the key to the man, who has become aware of this reality should look first but not vice versa, we too often seek material goods first, thinking that there will be time for the rest. I have received this answer, sometimes, too, when I tried to spread the UB.

    Some people have responded me:

    - With all the problems I have, I have no time for such things! :(


    As Jesus said:


    (1569.2) 140:1.5 “Your message to the world shall be: Seekfirst the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and in finding these, all other things essential to eternal survival shall be secured therewith. And now would I make it plain to you that this kingdom of my Father will notcome with an outward show of power or with unseemly demonstration. You are not to go hence in the proclamation

    of the kingdom, saying, ‘it is here’ or ‘it is there,’ forthis kingdom of which you preach is God within you.


    But it seems to me, we have to recognize that this distortion, to a greater or less degree is installed in the current culture, not because they not believe in God, but it seems to me that what is missing is the sense of priority and location time and space.



    (1269.4) 116:1.5... But this we do know: Whereas physique may attain completed growth, and whereas spirit may achieve perfection of development, mind never ceases to progress — it is the experiential technique of endless progress. The Supreme is an experiential Deity and therefore never achieves completion of mind attainment.




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  18. Distortion produces imbalance (unbalanced equilibrium):



    (1229.7) 112:2.20 The material self, the ego-entity of human identity, is dependent during the physical life on the continuing function of the material life vehicle, on the continued existence of the unbalanced equilibrium of energies and intellect which, on Urantia, has been given the name life. But selfhood of survival value, selfhood that can transcend the experience of death, is only evolved by establishing a potential transfer of the seat of the identity of the evolving personality from the transient life vehicle — the material body — to the more enduring and immortal nature of the morontia soul and on beyond to those levels whereon the soul becomes infused with, and eventually attains the status of, spirit reality. This actual transfer from material association to morontia identification is effected by the sincerity, persistence, and steadfastness of the God-seeking decisions of the human creature.



    Greetings to all! :)




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  19. One of the main, or most important of the causes of growth without progress, is the distortion under which mortals live:



    (1118.1) 102:0.1 TO THE unbelieving materialist, man is simply an evolutionary accident. His hopes of survival are strung on a figment of mortal imagination; his fears, loves, longings, and beliefs are but the reaction of the incidental juxtaposition of certain lifeless atoms of matter. No display of energy nor expression of trust can carry him beyond the grave. The devotional labors and inspirational genius of the best of men are doomed to be extinguished by death, the long and lonely night of eternaloblivion and soul extinction. Nameless despair is man’s only reward for living and toiling under the temporal sun of mortal existence. Each day of life slowly and surely tightens the grasp of a pitiless doom which a hostile and relentless universe of matter has decreed shall be the crowning insult to everything in human desire which is beautiful, noble, lofty, and good.


    (1118.2) 102:0.2 But such is not man’s end and eternal destiny; such a vision is but the cry of despair uttered by some wandering soul who has become lost in spiritual darkness, and who bravely struggles on in the face of the mechanistic sophistries of a material philosophy, blinded by the confusion and distortion of a complex learning. And all this doom of darkness and all this destiny of despair are forever dispelled by one brave stretch of faith on the part of the most humble and unlearned of God’s children on earth.


    (1118.3) 102:0.3 This saving faith has its birth in the human heart when the moral consciousness of man realizes that human values may be translated in mortal experience from the material to the spiritual, from the human to the divine, from time to eternity.

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  20. Hello All! :)


    Growth and progress.


    According to UB growth does not always indicate progress. But what is the difference?

    I believe that growth can be uneven, can be disproportionate, in which case there would be no real

    progress. no?

    So, What should we do to make our growth becomes real progress? both in the intellectual, material, social, scientific, mental, spiritual?

    What are the factors that influence and what should we do to encourage both individual and collective progress?

    For me, here is the core of all viscitudes seriously affecting life on Urantia.

    Ideally. growth with progress.


    How do you see?


    Some quotes as guide:


    Growth of the part and the whole


    (1268.6) 116:1.1 The experience of every evolving creature personality is a phase of the experience of the Almighty Supreme. The intelligent subjugation of every physical segment of the superuniverses is a part of the growing control of the Almighty Supreme. The creative synthesis of power and personality is a part of the creative urge of the Supreme Mind and is the very essence of the evolutionary growth of unity in the Supreme Being.


    (1275.6) 116:6.6 And as it is with the parts, so it is with the whole; the spirit person of Supremacy requires the evolutionary power of the Almighty to achieve completion of Deity and to attain destiny of Trinity association. The effort is made by the personalities of time and space, but the culmination and consummation of this effort is the act of the Almighty Supreme. And while the growth of the whole is thus a totalizing of the collective growth of the parts, it equally follows that the evolution of the parts is a segmented reflection of the purposive growth of the whole.


    (54.5) 4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man’s mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.



    Cultural progress


    (578.2) 50:6.2 The development of civilization on Urantia has not differed so greatly from that of other worlds which have sustained the misfortune of spiritual isolation. But when compared with the loyal worlds of the universe, your planet seems most confused and greatly retarded in all phases of intellectual progress and spiritual attainment.


    (578.3) 50:6.3 Because of your planetary misfortunes, Urantians are prevented from understanding very much about the culture of normal worlds. But you should not envisage the evolutionary worlds, even the most ideal, as spheres whereon life is a flowery bed of ease. The initial life of the mortal races is always attended by struggle. Effort and decision are an essential part of the acquirement of survival values.


    (578.4) 50:6.4 Culture presupposes quality of mind; culture cannot be enhanced unless mind is elevated. Superior intellect will seek a noble culture and find some way to attain such a goal. Inferior minds will spurn the highest culture even when presented to them ready-made. Much depends, also, upon the successive missions of the divine Sons and upon the extent to which enlightenment is received by the ages of their respective dispensations.



    Scientific progress


    (1457.3) 132:1.4 The materialistic scientist and the extreme idealist are destined always to be at loggerheads. This is not true of those scientists and idealists who are in possession of a common standard of high moral values and spiritual test levels. In every age scientists and religionists must recognize that they are on trial before the bar of human need. They must eschew all warfare between themselves while they strive valiantly to justify their continued survival by enhanced devotion to the service of human progress. If the so-called science or religion of any age is false, then must it either purify its activities or pass away before the emergence of a material science or spiritual religion of a truer and more worthy order.


    Religious Growth


    (1094.3) 100:1.1 While religion produces growth of meanings and enhancement of values, evil always results when purely personal evaluations are elevated to the levels of absolutes. A child evaluates experience in accordance with the content of pleasure; maturity is proportional to the substitution of higher meanings for personal pleasure, even loyalties to the highest concepts of diversified life situations and cosmic relations.


    (1094.4) 100:1.2 Some persons are too busy to grow and are therefore in grave danger of spiritual fixation. Provision must be made for growth of meanings at differing ages, in

    successive cultures, and in the passing stages of advance.


    (1087.6) 99:2.3 Religionists must function in society, in industry, and in politics as individuals, not as groups, parties, or institutions. A religious group which presumes to function as such, apart from religious activities, immediately becomes a political party, an economic organization, or a social institution. Religious collectivism must confine its efforts to the furtherance of religious causes.



    Thanks in advance! :)




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  21. Would you say, within that limitation, the 'new age' was the child of the so-called baby boomer generation? And not just the US baby boomers. I've often wondered if the boomers' Adjusters had group plan that involved helping establish the fifth epoch.


    Hi Rick!

    Mmmm, I think there must be something about that, because I think that not all people have, yet, the ability to understand the Fifth Revelation, then I wonder, is not that the New Age concepts are intended to be a prior step? or parallel.

    Do not forget that the movement is very large and global, these people are contributing (beyond similarities and differences with the UB) but actually contribute to become aware that there is something else ...

    Furthermore, it is very striking, for something came through. There is nothing bad, or too strange! ...

    The people are on the New Age, I see them eager to give love, with many wishes for positive change,

    Let us not forget that there are some that also read the UB.

    I do not know how to reconcile some points, but there are, at any rate, advancing.

    And this has a value.


    Greetings, :)







    PS: Excuse me if something goes wrong but my internet server, there are works intermittently today.

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