Jump to content


Photo

A great task for us


  • Please log in to reply
55 replies to this topic

#1 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 19 January 2010 - 08:23 PM

A great task was left to our generations.

"Difficulties may challenge mediocrity and defeat the fearful, but they only stimulate the true children of the Most Highs." (556.7)

"Effort does not always produce joy, but there is no happiness without intelligent effort." (556.10)

As inhabitants of this world we face a great task for three reasons. The first reason is simple: A planetary task of high priority was left unfinished, almost undone. The second reason is that previous generations in the past millenia did not have the fifth revelation – The Urantia Papers – which we have now. The task was explained in the book. The third reason is that unlike previous generations we have the scientific basis for doing something about the task. The time was high for a revelation and the circumstances had evolved sufficient in the middle of the last century. We were given the task and now there is no way to avoid this reality.

So, what is the task I am talking about?

"This whole scheme of race improvement was early wrecked on Urantia." (586.1)

"Having failed to achieve race harmonization by the Adamic technique, you must now work out your planetary problem of race improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control." (586.4)

"In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival." (734.3)

So, the task is called race improvement and there is no other way to solve it but the scientific way.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:09 PM.


#2 Daniel Foster

Daniel Foster

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 30 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:soCal
  • Interests:God. Music engineering, theory, and jazz. Astro/quantum physics and chemistry. Cosmology. Poetry. <br /><br />purpose: realigning myself again for the real world and the workforce.

Posted 20 January 2010 - 09:31 AM

Scientific effort in collusion with racial amalgamation.
~Li'l Bro Dan'l

#3 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:07 PM

What should we do about the given task? Perhaps we should ask first: What can we do? Is there any good example or explanation of what could be done?

Indeed some examples of useful methods were given to us, but some of them may seem radical from the modern man's viewpoint.

"The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals of your world races. Notwithstanding this obstacle, it seems that you ought to be able to agree upon the biologic disfellowshiping of your more markedly unfit, defective, degenerate, and antisocial stocks." (585.4)

Let's face the text literally as it is. The paragraph talks about "biologic disfellowshiping" which means only rejecting some genes. Genes are not individuals and they have no spirit. Genes are essentially information. Some of them are superior and then there are also inferior genes. There is no need to harm any individual physically or otherwise. The interpretation is that some individuals should not have genetic offspring because of their unfortunate genotype. There is a name for this: eugenics. It may be good or bad, depending on the level of science controlling the process. One can misuse any offered instrument and eugenics is not an exception. The instrument should be given to the skilled and trusted.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:09 PM.


#4 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:10 PM

Scientific effort in collusion with racial amalgamation.

The Urantia Book offers also a hint that uncontrolled amalgamation of races is not good.

"But these Adamites do not go out among the races; the prince’s staff bring to the Garden of Eden the superior men and women for voluntary mating with the Adamic offspring. And on most worlds it is considered the highest honor to be selected as a candidate for mating with the sons and daughters of the garden." (585.7)

We don't have anymore Adamites or the Garden of Eden, but again another possibly useful tool was revealed. Immigration to the Garden of Eden and cross-breeding between races were limited in the days of Adam. Because that tool was in harmony with divine plans, we should again think about it as potentially useful.

"But while the pure-line children of a planetary Garden of Eden can bestow themselves upon the superior members of the evolutionary races and thereby upstep the biologic level of mankind, it would not prove beneficial for the higher strains of Urantia mortals to mate with the lower races; such an unwise procedure would jeopardize all civilization on your world. Having failed to achieve race harmonization by the Adamic technique, you must now work out your planetary problem of race improvement by other and largely human methods of adaptation and control." (586.4)

Although now the situation is different than thousands of years ago, there are similarities too. The race harmonization was undone then and it still is. The same basic rules still apply.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:10 PM.


#5 Daniel Foster

Daniel Foster

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 30 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:soCal
  • Interests:God. Music engineering, theory, and jazz. Astro/quantum physics and chemistry. Cosmology. Poetry. <br /><br />purpose: realigning myself again for the real world and the workforce.

Posted 21 January 2010 - 11:40 PM

Although now the situation is different than thousands of years ago, there are similarities too. The race harmonization was undone then and it still is. The same basic rules still apply.
[/quote]

There, Rock, your admittance. It should be well known within the readership that scientific method is not enough. Race harmonization in collusion with science is the answer. Our revelation is clear on this. Your provided quotes on the subject do not deny this. Good going :-)

Leaving out racial amalgamation is selling our revelation short if not outright sinful potentially evil. History has blatantly shown that an individual master race within humanity is iniquitous. Good reading. The race info\papers of the UBook are NOT the controversial conundrum that "glancers" so perceive.

More a "Non-issue" certainly more friendly and loving than many of those who peruse the papers allow which should indicate the large work ahead humanity has at realizing these matters much less actualizing our revelation.
~Li'l Bro Dan'l

#6 Nigel Nunn

Nigel Nunn

    Poster

  • Administrators
  • PipPip
  • 1,118 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Australia

Posted 22 January 2010 - 06:48 AM

Hi rock and Daniel,

"The difficulty of executing such a radical program on Urantia consists in the absence
of competent judges to pass upon the biologic fitness or unfitness of the individuals
of your world races. Notwithstanding this obstacle, ...

You raise the question, given that the normal (and normalizing) Adamic technique is
no longer available, how to proceed? That suggestion by that Melchizedek has merit:

At such a time the great test of the wisdom of world leadership will present itself.
Will Urantia rulers have the insight and courage to foster the multiplication of the
average or stabilized human being instead of the extremes of the supernormal and
the enormously increasing groups of the subnormal? The normal man should be
fostered; he is the backbone of civilization and the source of the mutant geniuses
of the race.

I often speculate that each of the Sangik children represented some specialization
of the Urantian psycho-somatic norm. The integration of the result of the ramification
of these specializations would have been truly a work of (Adamic) biological art :)

Nigel

#7 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:43 AM

Race harmonization in collusion with science is the answer. Our revelation is clear on this. Your provided quotes on the subject do not deny this. Good going :-)

Yes. The point was that we must not hurry the amalgamation phase now because earlier phases are not done yet. As you can read from the text. (586.4)

#8 Bill Martin

Bill Martin

    Poster

  • Moderators
  • PipPip
  • 941 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rio Dulce, Izabal, Guatemala
  • Interests:destiny interception, kindred spirits, Sailing my ketch, cooking, reading ( a book a day, if possible), helping fellow sojurners on the path of righteousness.I am most interested in building strong relationships with fellow kingdom builders knowing that we will be serving together, off and on, through time and into eternity.

Posted 22 January 2010 - 07:48 AM

Hitler certainly gave "race improvement" a bad name. The trauma from his efforts prevents even discussion of the subject and "knee-jerk" reactions prevent sensible people from an honest examination of our problems.

It seems to me that we should all be able to agree on removal of undesirable disease producing genes by reproductive disenfranchisement of those carrying them. A wise approach would prohibit reproduction between individuals who would produce children with congenital disease. A workable approach would limit such couples to one child, similar to the "one child" policy China implemented recently.

Beginning the process by removing disease would lessen opposition to further beneficial efforts. Who decides? Adjudication is the highest function of government and the best and most acceptable people would be those holding the highest respect of the greatest number.
Slowly but surely the Power of Love is overcoming the Love of Power

#9 Meredith Van Woert

Meredith Van Woert

    Poster

  • Moderators
  • PipPip
  • 2,270 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:California

Posted 22 January 2010 - 04:11 PM

Let's face the text literally as it is. The paragraph talks about "biologic disfellowshiping" which means only rejecting some genes. Genes are not individuals and they have no spirit. Genes are essentially information. Some of them are superior and then there are also inferior genes. There is no need to harm any individual physically or otherwise. The interpretation is that some individuals should not have genetic offspring because of their unfortunate genotype. There is a name for this: eugenics. It may be good or bad, depending on the level of science controlling the process. One can misuse any offered instrument and eugenics is not an exception. The instrument should be given to the skilled and trusted.


Hi Rock, all,

We had an interesting discussion in study group last night from material on page 1306 where the revelators tell us that as humanity progresses in planetary development, they observe that our viewpoint is modified by several factors: Man's augmenting vision; Man's increasing control; Man's universe integration. On the subject of man's increasing control which relates to your topic on eugenics, this paragraph stood out for us:

2. Man’s increasing control — the gradual accumulation of the knowledge of the laws of the material world, the purposes of spiritual existence, and the possibilities of the philosophic co-ordination of these two realities. Man, the savage, was helpless before the onslaughts of natural forces, was slavish before the cruel mastery of his own inner fears. Semicivilized man is beginning to unlock the storehouse of the secrets of the natural realms, and his science is slowly but effectively destroying his superstitions while at the same time providing a new and enlarged factual basis for the comprehension of the meanings of philosophy and the values of true spiritual experience. Man, the civilized, will someday achieve relative mastery of the physical forces of his planet; the love of God in his heart will be effectively outpoured as love for his fellow men, while the values of human existence will be nearing the limits of mortal capacity.


In light of the above paragraph the consensus of our group is that man is still semicivilized. One student pointed out that half of the world population is semicivilized. In the distant future when man is civilized we will begin to achieve what we cannot do now. Someday our world will be very different from what it is now. In that distant time the love of God in the hearts of men will be effectively outpoured as love for his fellow men. Indeed a great task remains for our progeny and for generations to come.

All the best,
Meredith

#10 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2010 - 11:41 AM

Hitler certainly gave "race improvement" a bad name. The trauma from his efforts prevents even discussion of the subject and "knee-jerk" reactions prevent sensible people from an honest examination of our problems.

That is so true.

It seems to me that we should all be able to agree on removal of undesirable disease producing genes by reproductive disenfranchisement of those carrying them.

It is not absolutely necessary, at least not in every case. Modern technology allows inseminating many egg cells and then picking healthy embryos. It has been used and it really works, although it is still an expensive procedure.

There are also people who are absolutely unfit to be parents by many other reasons – not only genetic. They should not be allowed to reproduce at all.

#11 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2010 - 12:22 PM

Things do not automatically develop better. There must be a will to improve things towards preferred direction before development happens.

"Mankind on Urantia must solve its problems of mortal development with the human stocks it has — no more races will evolve from prehuman sources throughout all future time. But this fact does not preclude the possibility of the attainment of vastly higher levels of human development through the intelligent fostering of the evolutionary potentials still resident in the mortal races. That which we, the Life Carriers, do toward fostering and conserving the life strains before the appearance of human will, man must do for himself after such an event and subsequent to our retirement from active participation in evolution. In a general way, man’s evolutionary destiny is in his own hands, and scientific intelligence must sooner or later supersede the random functioning of uncontrolled natural selection and chance survival." (734.3)

In the distant future when man is civilized we will begin to achieve what we cannot do now. Someday our world will be very different from what it is now.

The task has been handed out from the Life Carriers to the mankind. Now the mankind must take care of the duty. The civilized part of the mankind will start and the rest will eventually follow.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:11 PM.


#12 Bonita

Bonita

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 3,523 posts
  • Gender:Female
  • Location:USA

Posted 23 January 2010 - 02:47 PM

81.6.40 Man should be unafraid to experiment with the mechanisms of society. But always should these adventures in cultural adjustment be controlled by those who are fully conversant with the history of social evolution; and always should these innovators be counseled by the wisdom of those who have had practical experience in the domains of contemplated social or economic experiment. No great social or economic change should be attempted suddenly. Time is essential to all types of human adjustment — physical, social, or economic. Only moral and spiritual adjustments can be made on the spur of the moment, and even these require the passing of time for the full outworking of their material and social repercussions. The ideals of the race are the chief support and assurance during the critical times when civilization is in transit from one level to another.

#13 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2010 - 03:08 PM

No great social or economic change should be attempted suddenly. Time is essential to all types of human adjustment — physical, social, or economic.

That is good to remember if someone proposes you to participate in a revolution.

More about the race harmonization:

Should we copy some solutions from a neighboring planet?

"Efforts to prevent the breeding of criminals and defectives were begun over one hundred years ago and have already yielded gratifying results. There are no prisons or hospitals for the insane. For one reason, there are only about ten per cent as many of these groups as are found on Urantia." (818.6)

We don't exactly have to copy any methods used on the neighboring planet, but it is always good to know what has worked elsewhere. We should at least consider them as potentially useful.

What ever we choose to do, we should remember that we must not follow "the wrong way to achieve righteous ends", as was stated about the Serapatatia enterprise. (842.8)

Wisdom means learning from the past, refusal of repeating known errors. Choosing evil is not wise and it has never been. "Good is the carrying out of the divine plans; sin is a deliberate transgression of the divine will; evil is the misadaptation of plans and the maladjustment of techniques resulting in universe disharmony and planetary confusion." (842.5)

Surely, we could make errors in every phases in everything what we do, but we don't really have to.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:13 PM.


#14 Rick Warren

Rick Warren

    Rick Warren

  • Administrators
  • PipPip
  • 9,923 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Texas

Posted 23 January 2010 - 07:30 PM

.


Daniel said it simplest,

Encourage the science because racial amalgamation has already occurred in large part. Science will be led to create a standard model of disease free genes that allow for the diversity the Gods do seem to want.

I too pray we make the choices and do the actions, wise and timely. But Urantia has always had to stagger into truth. Maybe things are changing with the new enlightenment of science and religion. Once science and religion accept that there is a criminal component to genetics, as well as spiritual and others, Urantia will let down it's eugenics guard. But that word is so stigmatized, it ought to be forgotten. What Urantia needed instead of forced eugenics of the last century was education on the social value genetic conservation. The Life Carrier's DNA gift is the most important substance on the planet, and we use it like everyone has a right diminish it.

Tough lessons ahead, we agree. But surely our overseers are not oblivious to our need and are surely making plans for and with us, perhaps thru the Destiny Reserve network. Indeed, what could they mean by giving us THIS 'alarming' paragraph?

For many thousands of years, so the records of Jerusem show, in each generation there have lived fewer and fewer beings who could function safely with self-acting Adjusters. This is an alarming picture, and the supervising personalities of Satania look with favor upon the proposals of some of your more immediate planetary supervisors who advocate the inauguration of measures designed to foster and conserve the higher spiritual types of the Urantia races.... P.1207 - §6


Imo, Rick


.

#15 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2010 - 07:42 PM

Tough lessons ahead, we agree. But surely our overseers are not oblivious to our need and are surely making plans for and with us, perhaps thru the Destiny Reserve network. Indeed, what could they mean by giving us THIS 'alarming' paragraph?

For many thousands of years, so the records of Jerusem show, in each generation there have lived fewer and fewer beings who could function safely with self-acting Adjusters. This is an alarming picture, and the supervising personalities of Satania look with favor upon the proposals of some of your more immediate planetary supervisors who advocate the inauguration of measures designed to foster and conserve the higher spiritual types of the Urantia races.... P.1207 - §6

Very alarming text indeed, emphasizing our responsibility. Shall we continue passively, how many years, how many generations?

Probably we should create the required societal circumstances that favor reproduction of superior genetic stocks over the inferior. The genetic middle class is the backbone, but I think we should think about it as the majority of the superior stocks while the inferior hopefully stay a small minority.

"A polyglot culture can be preserved only if the superior stocks reproduce themselves in a safe margin over the inferior. Unrestrained multiplication of inferiors, with decreasing reproduction of superiors, is unfailingly suicidal of cultural civilization." (880.6)

The Urantia Book offers some hints about negative eugenics.

"If the present-day races of Urantia could be freed from the curse of their lowest strata of deteriorated, antisocial, feeble-minded, and outcast specimens, there would be little objection to a limited race amalgamation. And if such racial mixtures could take place between the highest types of the several races, still less objection could be offered." (920.2)

That was very conditional with sentences beginning with the word "if". Read it carefully.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:14 PM.


#16 Bill Martin

Bill Martin

    Poster

  • Moderators
  • PipPip
  • 941 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rio Dulce, Izabal, Guatemala
  • Interests:destiny interception, kindred spirits, Sailing my ketch, cooking, reading ( a book a day, if possible), helping fellow sojurners on the path of righteousness.I am most interested in building strong relationships with fellow kingdom builders knowing that we will be serving together, off and on, through time and into eternity.

Posted 23 January 2010 - 09:24 PM

I believe in K.I.S.S.


Marriage should be a right.


Procreation should be treated as a privilege.

(Thinking here of all the suffering and pain and societal cost from unwanted, unloved children)
Slowly but surely the Power of Love is overcoming the Love of Power

#17 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 23 January 2010 - 10:25 PM

I believe in K.I.S.S.

Marriage should be a right.

Procreation should be treated as a privilege.

(Thinking here of all the suffering and pain and societal cost from unwanted, unloved children)

Sounds reasonable to me. I have heard the essentially same message from many people who have never looked at The Urantia Book. However they already understand that simple truth. They don't have to read it from any book to know it.

Some warnings were also given.

"As long as present-day races are so overloaded with inferior and degenerate strains, race intermingling on a large scale would be most detrimental, but most of the objections to such experiments rest on social and cultural prejudices rather than on biological considerations." (920.5)

That paragraph clearly speaks about our generations. Have the inferior and degenerate strains vanished? We should accept the fact that without some real struggle there will not be any real gain.

The Urantia Papers are not about warnings only. They also give us very positive suggestions. The book does not favor simple and infinite racial isolationism, as can be realized from the Pitcairn experiment. So we know that in the (very) long run, racial amalgamation is a welcome phase too.

"The Pitcairn experiment of blending the white and Polynesian races turned out fairly well because the white men and the Polynesian women were of fairly good racial strains. Interbreeding between the highest types of the white, red, and yellow races would immediately bring into existence many new and biologically effective characteristics. These three peoples belong to the primary Sangik races." (920.7)

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:15 PM.


#18 Bill Martin

Bill Martin

    Poster

  • Moderators
  • PipPip
  • 941 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Rio Dulce, Izabal, Guatemala
  • Interests:destiny interception, kindred spirits, Sailing my ketch, cooking, reading ( a book a day, if possible), helping fellow sojurners on the path of righteousness.I am most interested in building strong relationships with fellow kingdom builders knowing that we will be serving together, off and on, through time and into eternity.

Posted 24 January 2010 - 12:02 PM

Sounds reasonable to me. I have heard the essentially same message from many people who have never looked at The Urantia Book. However they already understand that simple truth. They don't have to read it from any book to know it.


I have to disagree here. People do not understand this "simple truth." Some may agree that "steps must be taken" but when you tell them their child is not allowed to reproduce or that they themselves must be sterilized,or your "genes aren't good enough'" you will get a very different "knee-jerk" response when the ideal meets the real.

Truth is never "simple."
P.1297 - §4 Truth is inconcussible--forever exempt from all transient vicissitudes, albeit never dead and formal, always vibrant and adaptable--radiantly alive. But when truth becomes linked with fact, then both time and space condition its meanings and correlate its values. Such realities of truth wedded to fact become concepts and are accordingly relegated to the domain of relative cosmic realities.

Approaching the actual conservation of the remaining beneficial "life-plasm" through the logic of prevention of immediate suffering to the children of each succeeding generation, by examination as to fitness, both physical and moral, and actual licensing to procreate would be more acceptable than being told your genes are "unfit."

Our "Neighboring Planet, mentioned in the Urantia Book," and their approach to their problems stimulate us to find solutions for our problems. Parental schools, tests and licensing are all practiced on this most similar of all planets in our system to our own. With the myths and shibboleths of American culture such as "Manifest Destiny" and the relatively unlimited freedom (supposedly) accorded to the individual, I think the United States would not be a good candidate for racial conservation and improvement for some time. China, where more direct methods have had some success, has one race. Few cultures have the cosmic consciousness to appreciate the great value of the conservation of the higher qualities inherent in all the races, not just the primary. The strong maternal instinct that flows throughout the Indigo race comes to mind as does the equable disposition and willingness to cooperate for the greater good evidenced in the Yellow Race.

The greatest obstacle is probably the fiction that "all men are created equal," even though we know God loves each of us equally, that is absolutely and unconditionally.
Slowly but surely the Power of Love is overcoming the Love of Power

#19 Rick Warren

Rick Warren

    Rick Warren

  • Administrators
  • PipPip
  • 9,923 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Texas

Posted 24 January 2010 - 04:31 PM

.


Another encouraging sign, and a therapy that's already available to some, is genetic filtering. Parents can, and will moreso in the near future, get a gene check up before having children, for compatibility and diseases to start. Gradually information will accrue which indicates each chromosome's total function. Gene screening might soon be mandated by collective ruling by the end of the century as new discoveries point to intelligent and informed control. Parental licensing is an idea worthy of discussion. The most important job on the planet we often give to the least qualified.

And consider the fact that medical science may be on the very cusp of gene therapy, actually repairing living genes.

More study, more open education about the subject will surely help bring it to the fore, and in time show the need for conservation of the human genome, in all its diversity. The greatest threat to progress in this arena is ignorance, no?

.

#20 rock

rock

    Poster

  • Members
  • PipPip
  • 47 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 24 January 2010 - 05:39 PM

What are the possible gains of a succesfull race harmonization program?

"The play and humor of the present-day races are largely derived from the Adamic stock. The Adamites all had a great appreciation of music as well as a keen sense of humor." (835.2)

"These superior offspring were not so subject to fear as the children of evolution. So much of fear persists in the present-day races of Urantia because your ancestors received so little of Adam's life plasm, owing to the early miscarriage of the plans for racial physical uplift." (851.4)

"You would be far more disease resistant if your races carried more of the Adamic life." (851.5)

All those and many others.

Edited by rock, 25 January 2010 - 02:16 PM.





0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users