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#1 Rick Warren

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:45 AM

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~ Today's Presentation Is From:

 

Paper Seven of The Urantia Book.

~ RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE UNIVERSE ~



[Introduction]


 

P.81 - §1 The Original Son is ever concerned with the execution of the spiritual aspects of the Father's eternal purpose as it progressively unfolds in the phenomena of the evolving universes with their manifold groups of living beings. We do not fully comprehend this eternal plan, but the Paradise Son undoubtedly does.

P.81 - §2 The Son is like the Father in that he seeks to bestow everything possible of himself upon his co-ordinate Sons and upon their subordinate Sons. And the Son shares the Father's self-distributive nature in the unstinted bestowal of himself upon the Infinite Spirit, their conjoint executive.

P.81 - §3 As the upholder of spirit realities, the Second Source and Center is the eternal counterpoise of the Isle of Paradise, which so magnificently upholds all things material. Thus is the First Source and Center forever revealed in the material beauty of the exquisite patterns of the central Isle and in the spiritual values of the supernal personality of the Eternal Son.

P.81 - §4 The Eternal Son is the actual upholder of the vast creation of spirit realities and spiritual beings. The spirit world is the habit, the personal conduct, of the Son, and the impersonal realities of spirit nature are always responsive to the will and purpose of the perfect personality of the Absolute Son.

P.81 - §5 The Son is not, however, personally responsible for the conduct of all spirit personalities. The will of the personal creature is relatively free and hence determines the actions of such volitional beings. Therefore the freewill spirit world is not always truly representative of the character of the Eternal Son, even as nature on Urantia is not truly revelatory of the perfection and immutability of Paradise and Deity. But no matter what may characterize the freewill action of man or angel, the Son's eternal grasp of the universal gravity control of all spirit realities continues as absolute.

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 01:14 PM

Hi all!


To illustrate this introduction occurred to me to make this graph.
You may have mistakes, but wanted to share it with you.
Corrections and / or questions are welcome.
Sorry for the administrator, because it is too big :) B)

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 03:20 PM

Nice work Alina,

Good use of color too. Maybe you will post this also on the Foreword thread?

Thanks much! Rick

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Posted 06 October 2009 - 06:01 PM

Hello All!

Thanks Rick!
I'm glad you like it.I already put on the Foreword thread.

Thanks again.

Greetings

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:16 AM

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~ Today's Presentation Is From:

 

Paper Seven of The Urantia Book.

~ RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE UNIVERSE ~



1. THE SPIRIT-GRAVITY CIRCUIT


 

P.81 - §6 Everything taught concerning the immanence of God, his omnipresence, omnipotence, and omniscience, is equally true of the Son in the spiritual domains. The pure and universal spirit gravity of all creation, this exclusively spiritual circuit, leads directly back to the person of the Second Source and Center on Paradise. He presides over the control and operation of that ever-present and unerring spiritual grasp of all true spirit values. Thus does the Eternal Son exercise absolute spiritual sovereignty. He literally holds all spirit realities and all spiritualized values, as it were, in the hollow of his hand. The control of universal spiritual gravity is universal spiritual sovereignty.

P.82 - §1 This gravity control of spiritual things operates independently of time and space; therefore is spirit energy undiminished in transmission. Spirit gravity never suffers time delays, nor does it undergo space diminution. It does not decrease in accordance with the square of the distance of its transmission; the circuits of pure spirit power are not retarded by the mass of the material creation. And this transcendence of time and space by pure spirit energies is inherent in the absoluteness of the Son; it is not due to the interposition of the antigravity forces of the Third Source and Center.

P.82 - §2 Spirit realities respond to the drawing power of the center of spiritual gravity in accordance with their qualitative value, their actual degree of spirit nature. Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body.

P.82 - §3 The reactions and fluctuations of spirit gravity are ever true to the content of spiritual values, the qualitative spiritual status of an individual or a world. This drawing power is instantly responsive to the inter- and intraspirit values of any universe situation or planetary condition. Every time a spiritual reality actualizes in the universes, this change necessitates the immediate and instantaneous readjustment of spirit gravity. Such a new spirit is actually a part of the Second Source and Center; and just as certainly as mortal man becomes a spiritized being, he will attain the spiritual Son, the center and source of spirit gravity.

P.82 - §4 The Son's spiritual drawing power is inherent to a lesser degree in many Paradise orders of sonship. For there do exist within the absolute spirit-gravity circuit those local systems of spiritual attraction that function in the lesser units of creation. Such subabsolute focalizations of spirit gravity are a part of the divinity of the Creator personalities of time and space and are correlated with the emerging experiential overcontrol of the Supreme Being.

P.82 - §5 Spirit-gravity pull and response thereto operate not only on the universe as a whole but also even between individuals and groups of individuals. There is a spiritual cohesiveness among the spiritual and spiritized personalities of any world, race, nation, or believing group of individuals. There is a direct attractiveness of a spirit nature between spiritually minded persons of like tastes and longings. The term kindred spirits is not wholly a figure of speech.

P.82 - §6 Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit.

P.82 - §7 All reactions of the spirit-gravity circuit of the grand universe are predictable. We recognize all actions and reactions of the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son and find them to be dependable. In accordance with well-known laws, we can and do measure spiritual gravity just as man attempts to compute the workings of finite physical gravity. There is an unvarying response of the Son's spirit to all spirit things, beings, and persons, and this response is always in accordance with the degree of actuality (the qualitative degree of reality) of all such spiritual values.

P.83 - §1 But alongside this very dependable and predictable function of the spiritual presence of the Eternal Son, there are encountered phenomena which are not so predictable in their reactions. Such phenomena probably indicate the co-ordinate action of the Deity Absolute in the realms of emerging spiritual potentials. We know that the spirit presence of the Eternal Son is the influence of a majestic and infinite personality, but we hardly regard the reactions associated with the conjectured performances of the Deity Absolute as personal.

P.83 - §2 Viewed from the personality standpoint and by persons, the Eternal Son and the Deity Absolute appear to be related in the following way: The Eternal Son dominates the realm of actual spiritual values, whereas the Deity Absolute seems to pervade the vast domain of potential spirit values. All actual value of spirit nature finds lodgment in the gravity grasp of the Eternal Son but, if potential, then apparently in the presence of the Deity Absolute.

P.83 - §3 Spirit seems to emerge from the potentials of the Deity Absolute; evolving spirit finds correlation in the experiential and incomplete grasps of the Supreme and the Ultimate; spirit eventually finds final destiny in the absolute grasp of the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son. This appears to be the cycle of experiential spirit, but existential spirit is inherent in the infinity of the Second Source and Center.

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#6 Rick Warren

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 04:29 AM

Good Wednesday All,

Before the UB, there was known but one type of gravity--and it was associated solely with the physical. But sages of various religious traditions have created metaphors for the drawing power of Sprit/God. Like a moth drawn to the mysterious lighted flame, the seeker ever circles closer and closer until the flame consumes the body (Fusion?!).

This sentence speaks great volumes about the intangible yet central and enduring element of Spirituality: Quality.

...Spirit substance (quality) is just as responsive to spirit gravity as the organized energy of physical matter (quantity) is responsive to physical gravity. P.82 - §2

Spiritual quality is known and enlivened in us by the embrace of Father and his divine values, like truth, goodness, loyalty and love.

Apparently, spirit is synonymous with quality, and quality is associated with creativity:

Spiritual values and spirit forces are real. From the viewpoint of personality, spirit is the soul of creation; matter is the shadowy physical body. P.82 - §2

It would be an oversight not to meniton there are other invisible gravities tugging us Paradise-/God-ward.

Your comments, quotes and insights on Spirit are invited, Rick

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 01:11 PM

Hi all!

In reality all the Paper 42 is interesting to read about the relationship you have with this subject,whitout forget the vital importance of the Thought Adjuster.
"Relation of Adjusters to Universe creatures" Page-109
This topic involves many aspects to consider,such as also,the Supreme,to whom we should regard.

I copy some quotes to reflect on its content.

The manipulation of universe energy is ever in accordance with the personal will and the all-wise mandates of the Universal Father. This personal control of manifested power and circulating energy is modified by the co-ordinate acts and decisions of the Eternal Son, as well as by the united purposes of the Son and the Father executed by the Conjoint Actor. These divine beings act personally and as individuals; they also function in the persons and powers of an almost unlimited number of subordinates, each variously expressive of the eternal and divine purpose in the universe of universes. But these functional and provisional modifications or transmutations of divine power in no way lessen the truth of the statement that all force-energy is under the ultimate control of a personal God resident at the center of all things.

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The universal nonspiritual energies are reassociated in the living systems of non-Creator minds on various levels, certain of which may be depicted as follows:

1. Preadjutant-spirit minds. This level of mind is nonexperiencing and on the inhabited worlds is ministered by the Master Physical Controllers. This is mechanical mind, the nonteachable intellect of the most primitive forms of material life, but the nonteachable mind functions on many levels beside that of primitive planetary life.

2. Adjutant-spirit minds. This is the ministry of a local universe Mother Spirit functioning through her seven adjutant mind-spirits on the teachable (nonmechanical) level of material mind. On this level material mind is experiencing: as subhuman (animal) intellect in the first five adjutants; as human (moral) intellect in the seven adjutants; as superhuman (midwayer) intellect in the last two adjutants.

3. Evolving morontia minds--the expanding consciousness of evolving personalities in the local universe ascending careers. This is the bestowal of the local universe Mother Spirit in liaison with the Creator Son.

This mind level connotes the organization of the morontia type of life vehicle, a synthesis of the material and the spiritual which is effected by the Morontia Power Supervisors of a local universe. Morontia mind functions differentially in response to the 570 levels of morontia life, disclosing increasing associative capacity with the cosmic mind on the higher levels of attainment. This is the evolutionary course of mortal creatures, but mind of a nonmorontia order is also bestowed by a Universe Son and a Universe Spirit upon the nonmorontia children of the local creations.The cosmic mind. This is the sevenfold diver sified mind of time and space, one phase of which is ministered by each of the Seven Master Spirits to one of the seven superuniverses. The cosmic mind encompasses all finite-mind levels and co-ordinates experientially with the evolutionary-deity levels of the Supreme Mind and transcendentally with the existential levels of absolute mind--the direct circuits of the Conjoint Actor.

Page 481

The type of Adjuster has much to do with the potential for expression of the human personality. On down through the ages, many of the great intellectual and spiritual leaders of Urantia have exerted theirinfluence chiefly because of the superiority and previous experience of their indwelling Adjusters.

The indwelling Adjusters have in no small measure co-operated with other spiritual influences in transforming and humanizing the descendants of the primitive men of olden ages. If the Adjusters indwelling the minds of the inhabitants of Urantia were to be withdrawn, the world would slowly return to many of the scenes and practices of the men of primitive times; the divine Monitors are one of the real potentials of advancing civilization.

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It is sometimes possible to have the mind illuminated, to hear the divine voice that continually speaks within you, so that you may become partially conscious of the wisdom, truth, goodness, and beauty of the potential personality constantly indwelling you.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:35 PM

Hello! B)


I've made some changes on the yesterday graph.
Change the words, as current rather than actual.

Thanks!

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:59 AM

Thanks Alina, and Good Day UB Study Friends,

The first five Papers are revelations on Father. Today's reading is from Section 2 of the last of two Papers on the Eternal Son. (There are also two Papers on the Infinite Spirit). All nine Papers were written by a "Divine Counselor".

An overview helps me keep perspective. Below are the Section Titles and Author of Paper 7:

PAPER 7 - RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE UNIVERSE

1. THE SPIRIT-GRAVITY CIRCUIT
2. THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ETERNAL SON
3. RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE INDIVIDUAL
4. THE DIVINE PERFECTION PLANS
5. THE SPIRIT OF BESTOWAL
6. THE PARADISE SONS OF GOD
7. THE SUPREME REVELATION OF THE FATHER

[Indited by a Divine Counselor assigned to formulate this statement depicting the Eternal Son of Paradise.]


Your questions and feedback are welcome! Thanks for joining the study, Rick

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 04:00 AM

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~ Today's Presentation Is From:

 

Paper Seven of The Urantia Book.

~ RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE UNIVERSE ~



2. THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ETERNAL SON


 

P.83 - §4 On Paradise the presence and personal activity of the Original Son is profound, absolute in the spiritual sense. As we pass outward from Paradise through Havona and into the realms of the seven superuniverses, we detect less and less of the personal activity of the Eternal Son. In the post-Havona universes the presence of the Eternal Son is personalized in the Paradise Sons, conditioned by the experiential realities of the Supreme and the Ultimate, and co-ordinated with the unlimited spirit potential of the Deity Absolute.

P.83 - §5 In the central universe the personal activity of the Original Son is discernible in the exquisite spiritual harmony of the eternal creation. Havona is so marvelously perfect that the spiritual status and the energy states of this pattern universe are in perfect and perpetual balance.

P.83 - §6 In the superuniverses the Son is not personally present or resident; in these creations he maintains only a superpersonal representation. These spirit manifestations of the Son are not personal; they are not in the personality circuit of the Universal Father. We know of no better term to use than to designate them superpersonalities; and they are finite beings; they are neither absonite nor absolute.

P.83 - §7 The administration of the Eternal Son in the superuniverses, being exclusively spiritual and superpersonal, is not discernible by creature personalities. Nonetheless, the all-pervading spiritual urge of the Son's personal influence is encountered in every phase of the activities of all sectors of the domains of the Ancients of Days. In the local universes, however, we observe the Eternal Son personally present in the persons of the Paradise Sons. Here the infinite Son spiritually and creatively functions in the persons of the majestic corps of the co-ordinate Creator Sons.

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#11 Alina

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:16 AM

Good day to all.
Thanks Rick.


"In the local universes, however, we observe the Eternal Son personally present in the persons of the Paradise Sons. Here the infinite Son spiritually and creatively functions in the persons of the majestic corps of the co-ordinate Creator Sons"P.83

The attribute of bestowal is inherent in the Paradise Sons of the Universal Father. In their desire to come close to the life experiences of their subordinate living creatures, the various orders of the Paradise Sons are reflecting the divine nature of their Paradise parents. The Eternal Son of the Paradise Trinity led the way in this practice, having seven times bestowed himself upon the seven circuits of Havona during the times of the ascension of Grandfanda and the first of the pilgrims from time and space. And the Eternal Son continues to bestow himself upon the local universes of space in the persons of his representatives, the Michael and Avonal Sons.

When the Eternal Son bestows a Creator Son upon a projected local universe, that Creator Son assumes full responsibility for the completion, control, and composure of that new universe, including the solemn oath to the eternal Trinity not to assume full sovereignty of the new creation until his seven creature bestowals shall have been successfully completed and certified by the Ancients of Days of the superuniverse of jurisdiction. This obligation is assumed by every Michael Son who volunteers to go out from Paradise to engage in universe organization and creation.

The purpose of these creature incarnations is to enable such Creators to become wise, sympathetic, just, and understanding sovereigns. These divine Sons are innately just, but they become understandingly merciful as a result of these successive bestowal experiences; they are naturally merciful, but these experiences make them merciful in new and additional ways. These bestowals are the last steps in their education and training for the sublime tasks of ruling the local universes in divine righteousness and by just judgment.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:36 AM

Did you ever wonder why the word "indited" is used rather than "written", "authored" or "composed"?

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 02:40 PM

Yes, dear Bonita, since I went to primary school I know the difference B)
I do not know exactly why you do this question. I can intuit.

But could you please clarify?
Because I do not understand what you mean.


Alina A.
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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:00 PM

Does anybody have a clue what they are talking about here?

"P.83 - §6 In the superuniverses the Son is not personally present or resident; in these creations he maintains only a superpersonal representation. These spirit manifestations of the Son are not personal; they are not in the personality circuit of the Universal Father. We know of no better term to use than to designate them superpersonalities; and they are finite beings; they are neither absonite nor absolute."

In looking up "superpersonal," I found these references to the Inspired Trinity Spirits, on pages 219-220 which are fascinating reading. A Divine Counselor speculates:


P.220 - §4 We know that the Trinity Teacher Sons are devoted to the conscious enlightenment of universe creatures. I have arrived at the settled conclusion that the Inspired Trinity Spirits, by superconscious techniques, are also functioning as teachers of the realms. I am persuaded that there is a vast body of essential spiritual knowledge, truth indispensable to high spiritual attainment, which cannot be consciously received; self-consciousness would effectively jeopardize the certainty of reception. If we are right in this concept, and my entire order of being shares it, it may be the mission of these Inspired Spirits to overcome this difficulty, to bridge this gap in the universal scheme of moral enlightenment and spiritual advancement. We think that these two types of Trinity-origin teachers effect some kind of liaison in their activities, but we do not really know.


In Paper 30-"Personalities of the Grand Universe" a Mighty Messenger makes this passing reference to "the superpersonal representatives of the Eternal Son:

"like the superpersonal representatives of the Eternal Son, are encountered elsewhere. They are for the most part unmentioned in these narratives, and it would be quite futile to attempt their description to personal creatures." 333-11


We are told Adjusters are prepersonal yet when they become personalized, as did the Adjuster who was hosted by the Creator Son on Urantia, they possess the full complement of personality. A Solitary Messenger tells us on 1201-4:

Personalized Adjusters are the all-wise and powerful executives of the Architects of the Master Universe. They are the personal agents of the full ministry of the Universal Father--personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal. They are the personal ministers of the extraordinary, the unusual, and the unexpected throughout all the realms of the transcendental absonite spheres of the domain of God the Ultimate, even to the levels of God the Absolute.

This is fascinating to me.
Slowly but surely the Power of Love is overcoming the Love of Power

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 11:42 PM

Quote Bill:

Does anybody have a clue what they are talking about here?

I too, would like to know Bill.


I agree with you, it's fascinating
Understand these wonderful relationships and their influence on us.
The trinity and the triunityis indeed are increible.
Discovering through the Celestial beings as act, how they form in reality One is something I never thought I'd have to know.

Greeting,

Alina

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 04:04 AM

Friday Greetings Alina, Bonita, Bill, Study Friends,

Indited is a rather uncommon word, one my spell checker doesn't allow. And it has an unfortunate homophone that means charge with a crime. But it's core meaning makes it a perfectly legitimate and applicable term the way the Counselor (editors?) employed it, no?

Bill, I think the author is saying simply, the Eternal Son is not personally available in the superuniverses except thru the Michaels. It is a repetition (which the authors so often do) of the first sentence in yesterday's reading:

P.83 - §4 On Paradise the presence and personal activity of the Original Son is profound, absolute in the spiritual sense. As we pass outward from Paradise through Havona and into the realms of the seven superuniverses, we detect less and less of the personal activity of the Eternal Son.


Do you think the 'superpersonalities' mentioned are other than the Michaels?
(yes, rick, I do)
(bill)

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Today's presentation is a reflection of Paper 5:. God's Relation to the Individual The Father has a whole Paper on this, the Son has but a Section B)


Your comments, questions and thoughts on Paper 7 are welcome!
Much love, Rick

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 04:06 AM

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Welcome to UAI Forum's One-Page-A-Day Online Study Group.

 

~ Today's Presentation Is From:

 

Paper Seven of The Urantia Book.

~ RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE UNIVERSE ~



3. RELATION OF THE ETERNAL SON TO THE INDIVIDUAL

 

P.84 - §1 In the local universe ascent the mortals of time look to the Creator Son as the personal representative of the Eternal Son. But when they begin the ascent of the superuniverse training regime, the pilgrims of time increasingly detect the supernal presence of the inspiring spirit of the Eternal Son, and they are able to profit by the intake of this ministry of spiritual energization. In Havona the ascenders become still more conscious of the loving embrace of the all-pervading spirit of the Original Son. At no stage of the entire mortal ascension does the spirit of the Eternal Son indwell the mind or soul of the pilgrim of time, but his beneficence is ever near and always concerned with the welfare and spiritual security of the advancing children of time.

P.84 - §2 The spiritual-gravity pull of the Eternal Son constitutes the inherent secret of the Paradise ascension of surviving human souls. All genuine spirit values and all bona fide spiritualized individuals are held within the unfailing grasp of the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son. The mortal mind, for example, initiates its career as a material mechanism and is eventually mustered into the Corps of the Finality as a well-nigh perfected spirit existence, becoming progressively less subject to material gravity and correspondingly more responsive to the inward pulling urge of spirit gravity during this entire experience. The spirit-gravity circuit literally pulls the soul of man Paradiseward.

P.84 - §3 The spirit-gravity circuit is the basic channel for transmitting the genuine prayers of the believing human heart from the level of human consciousness to the actual consciousness of Deity. That which represents true spiritual value in your petitions will be seized by the universal circuit of spirit gravity and will pass immediately and simultaneously to all divine personalities concerned. Each will occupy himself with that which belongs to his personal province. Therefore, in your practical religious experience, it is immaterial whether, in addressing your supplications, you visualize the Creator Son of your local universe or the Eternal Son at the center of all things.

P.84 - §4 The discriminative operation of the spirit-gravity circuit might possibly be compared to the functions of the neural circuits in the material human body: Sensations travel inward over the neural paths; some are detained and responded to by the lower automatic spinal centers; others pass on to the less automatic but habit-trained centers of the lower brain, while the most important and vital incoming messages flash by these subordinate centers and are immediately registered in the highest levels of human consciousness.

P.84 - §5 But how much more perfect is the superb technique of the spiritual world! If anything originates in your consciousness that is fraught with supreme spiritual value, when once you give it expression, no power in the universe can prevent its flashing directly to the Absolute Spirit Personality of all creation.

P.84 - §6 Conversely, if your supplications are purely material and wholly self-centered, there exists no plan whereby such unworthy prayers can find lodgment in the spirit circuit of the Eternal Son. The content of any petition which is not "spirit indited" can find no place in the universal spiritual circuit; such purely selfish and material requests fall dead; they do not ascend in the circuits of true spirit values. Such words are as "sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal."

P.85 - §1 It is the motivating thought, the spiritual content, that validates the mortal supplication. Words are valueless.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 11:33 AM

Hi All!

How important is that.
That huge difference with what is generally faithful practice of religion evolutionary
Not all of course But ...
There are too use only memory, the merely intellectual, repeating prayer and manner established,mechanically.
One often sees this.
As soon as end the religious ceremony I observed that there was no real, in automated minds, because is immediately obvious by their behavior so far from what was happening a few minutes earlier, during the prayer together.
Not reflected in their daily lives the result or the fruits born of those moments of spiritual communion, which indicates that there has not been real.
Of course non-critical as it also is not true in all cases.
Revelation, also we are saying it.
Remember also that prayer does not have to come from anyone, but our true feelings.
The sensitivity is the one closer to our spirit
This is for me the channel of the gravity, frequency in which we tune.
Otherwise lost in the misty surface.
In reality life is a continual prayer.
Through our thoughts, consciously or unconsciously, we stand on the same frequency (or not) espíritul gravity circuit

Father,Son,Spirit.

Thus, we have to the unification between our soul through our spirit Thought Adjuster and whit He same.
Long ago I had found on UB. two quotes that seemed contradictory, at first moment.
Some day later, I realized they really are good related,is a matter of discernment.

The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of thehighest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind"

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And the other said;

You must remember that feeling, not thinking, was the guiding and controlling influence in all evolutionary development. To the primitive mind there is little difference between fearing, shunning, honoring, and worshiping.

Page 949

I think that now everything is brewing in our minds, even feelings must first pass through the "laboratory" of the mind.
The general concept is unclear.
Feelings are not the product of uncontrolled emotions or self-imposed, suggestions or "guided from outside" with dubious intentions, in some cases.
Ideally, get, step by step unification between thought and feeling, between the mind and heart.

It is the motivating thought, the spiritual content, that validates the mortal supplication. Words are valueless

.Page 85

Our Master said :

Prayer is entirely a personal and spontaneous expression of the attitude of the soul toward the spirit; prayer should be the communion of sonship and the expression of fellowship. Prayer, when indited by the spirit, leads to co-operative spiritual progress. The ideal prayer is a form of spiritual communion which leads to intelligent worship. True praying is the sincere attitude of reaching heavenward for the attainment of your ideals.

"Prayer is the breath of the soul and should lead you to be persistent in your attempt to ascertain the Father's will.

"But when you pray, you exercise so little faith. Genuine faith will remove mountains of material difficulty which may chance to lie in the path of soul expansion and spiritual progress.

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#19 Bonita

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 12:29 PM

Yes, dear Bonita, since I went to primary school I know the difference B)
I do not know exactly why you do this question. I can intuit.

But could you please clarify?
Because I do not understand what you mean.


Alina, it was merely an observation. The use of such an unusual word piqued my interest since I am a "wordie". My experience is that the revelators took particular care about every word used in TUB. Why they chose an archaic word when not directly referencing an ancient work intrigued me.

The word indite comes from the vulgar latin word indictāre which means to proclaim. The word indite is used in reference to literary works, often poetry, which are either dictated or inscribed. The method by which the uninspired, yet poetically poignant, revelation for our minds and souls came through is this process of inditement.

To accuse or charge someone with a crime is indictment. However, both words have similar etymology.


Does anybody have a clue what they are talking about here?

"P.83 - §6 In the superuniverses the Son is not personally present or resident; in these creations he maintains only a superpersonal representation. These spirit manifestations of the Son are not personal; they are not in the personality circuit of the Universal Father. We know of no better term to use than to designate them superpersonalities; and they are finite beings; they are neither absonite nor absolute."


Bill, I'm pretty certain that the words "superpersonal" and "superconscious" are not the same thing, nor are they necessarily related.

TUB tells us exactly what superpersonal means. God functions on three levels: the prepersonal, personal and superpersonal. The prepersonal level is the Adjuster; the personal level is the personality circuit encompassing all created and procreated persons; the superpersonal is "the eventuated existences of certain absonite and associated beings" (0.2.2) Mind you the use of the word "beings" rather than "persons". In various places, TUB seems to differentiate between "entities", "beings", "presences" and "persons". (Can't say I understand the difference.) However, TUB clearly states that superpersonal beings are "other-than-personal". (30.1.20)

Remember the discussion about existential, experiential and existential-experiential? Now we have added "eventuated". Superpersonal has to do with the eventuated-experiential. This superpersonal level we cannot comprehend and it will not even become an issue until the personalization of the Deity Absolute. Long, long way to go before that happens.
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Bonita. The Inspired Trinity Spirits are also superpersonal.
We sense the presence of the Inspired Trinity Spirits, who are superpersonal expressions of the Paradise Trinity.P.1189 - §5
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Posted 09 October 2009 - 03:57 PM

Alina: Ideally, get, step by step unification between thought and feeling, between the mind and heart.



And soul?



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