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#41 Cat

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 12:00 AM

Rick - Hello ! I am new to the Study Group and am so very pleased that you have made this avenue of learning avaiable - I have spent several months looking for a Study Group in my area, with no success. This on-line learning option is just what I am looking for, so I am very pleased to be starting this study with you and the other students. So, to begin... I have a question on P. 2 of the foreword: within the section on Diety, what does prepersonal and superpersonal levels mean? Thanks! Cat


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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 2.





I. DEITY AND DIVINITY


P.2 - 1 The universe of universes presents phenomena of deity activities on diverse levels of cosmic realities, mind meanings, and spirit values, but all of these ministrations--personal or otherwise--are divinely co-ordinated.

P.2 - 2 DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity--actual or potential--on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.

P.2 - 3 Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

1. Static--self-contained and self-existent Deity.

2. Potential--self-willed and self-purposive Deity.

3. Associative--self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.

4. Creative--self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.

5. Evolutional--self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.

6. Supreme--self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.

7. Ultimate--self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.

P.2 - 11 The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings--they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.

P.2 - 12 The absonite level of reality is characterized by things and beings without beginnings or endings and by the transcendence of time and space. Absoniters are not created; they are eventuated--they simply are. The Deity level of Ultimacy connotes a function in relation to absonite realities. No matter in what part of the master universe, whenever time and space are transcended, such an absonite phenomenon is an act of the Ultimacy of Deity.

P.2 - 13 The absolute level is beginningless, endless, timeless, and spaceless. For example: On Paradise, time and space are nonexistent; the time-space status of Paradise is absolute. This level is Trinity attained, existentially, by the Paradise Deities, but this third level of unifying Deity expression is not fully unified experientially. Whenever, wherever, and however the absolute level of Deity functions, Paradise-absolute values and meanings are manifest.

P.3 - 1 Deity may be existential, as in the Eternal Son; experiential, as in the Supreme Being; associative, as in God the Sevenfold; undivided, as in the Paradise Trinity.

P.3 - 2 Deity is the source of all that which is divine. Deity is characteristically and invariably divine, but all that which is divine is not necessarily Deity, though it will be co-ordinated with Deity and will tend towards some phase of unity with Deity--spiritual, mindal, or personal.





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#42 Rick Warren

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 05:09 AM

Rick - Hello ! I am new to the Study Group and am so very pleased that you have made this avenue of learning avaiable - I have spent several months looking for a Study Group in my area, with no success. This on-line learning option is just what I am looking for, so I am very pleased to be starting this study with you and the other students. So, to begin... I have a question on P. 2 of the foreword: within the section on Diety, what does prepersonal and superpersonal levels mean? Thanks! Cat






Welcome Cat,

Glad you found us! The beauty of an online group is it's always open and as close as your computer.

Your question is a good one. You probably realize both terms are new with the Urantia revelation, therefore must one go to the whole revelation to find the meanings. Below are all the quotes with these two words. The first quote states we may not be able to understand super- and prepersonal, but the others narrow down the concepts a bit by comparing types of beings and kinds of associations. For example, Adjusters are prepersonal, and Inspired Trinity Spirits are superpersonal. Adjusters are identical, are Inspired Trinity Spirits unique?


P.2 - 2 DEITY is personalizable as God, is prepersonal and superpersonal in ways not altogether comprehensible by man. Deity is characterized by the quality of unity--actual or potential--on all supermaterial levels of reality; and this unifying quality is best comprehended by creatures as divinity.

P.2 - 3 Deity functions on personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal levels. Total Deity is functional on the following seven levels:

1. Static--self-contained and self-existent Deity.
2. Potential--self-willed and self-purposive Deity.
3. Associative--self-personalized and divinely fraternal Deity.
4. Creative--self-distributive and divinely revealed Deity.
5. Evolutional--self-expansive and creature-identified Deity.
6. Supreme--self-experiential and creature-Creator-unifying Deity. Deity functioning on the first creature-identificational level as time-space overcontrollers of the grand universe, sometimes designated the Supremacy of Deity.
7. Ultimate--self-projected and time-space-transcending Deity. Deity omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Deity functioning on the second level of unifying divinity expression as effective overcontrollers and absonite upholders of the master universe. As compared with the ministry of the Deities to the grand universe, this absonite function in the master universe is tantamount to universal overcontrol and supersustenance, sometimes called the Ultimacy of Deity.


P.8 - 4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

P.78 - 5 Spirit is ever conscious, minded, and possessed of varied phases of identity. Without mind in some phase there would be no spiritual consciousness in the fraternity of spirit beings. The equivalent of mind, the ability to know and be known, is indigenous to Deity. Deity may be personal, prepersonal, superpersonal, or impersonal, but Deity is never mindless, that is, never without the ability at least to communicate with similar entities, beings, or personalities.

P.334 - 7 There are spirits: spirit entities, spirit presences, personal spirits, prepersonal spirits, superpersonal spirits, spirit existences, spirit personalities--but neither mortal language nor mortal intellect are adequate. We may however state that there are no personalities of "pure mind"; no entity has personality unless he is endowed with it by God who is spirit. Any mind entity that is not associated with either spiritual or physical energy is not a personality. But in the same sense that there are spirit personalities who have mind there are mind personalities who have spirit. Majeston and his associates are fairly good illustrations of mind-dominated beings, but there are better illustrations of this type of personality unknown to you. There are even whole unrevealed orders of such mind personalities, but they are always spirit associated. Certain other unrevealed creatures are what might be termed mindal- and physical-energy personalities. This type of being is nonresponsive to spirit gravity but is nonetheless a true personality--is within the Father's circuit.

P.1183 - 7 Throughout a universe of created beings and nonpersonal energies we do not observe will, volition, choice, and love manifested apart from personality. Except in the Adjusters and other similar entities we do not witness these attributes of personality functioning in association with impersonal realities. It would not be correct to designate an Adjuster as subpersonal, neither would it be proper to allude to such an entity as superpersonal, but it would be entirely permissible to term such a being prepersonal.

P.1189 - 5 We are aware of the presence of the Adjusters, who are fragments of the prepersonal Deity of the First Source and Center. We sense the presence of the Inspired Trinity Spirits, who are superpersonal expressions of the Paradise Trinity. We likewise unfailingly detect the spirit presence of certain unrevealed orders springing from the Eternal Son and the Infinite Spirit. And we are not wholly unresponsive to still other entities unrevealed to you.

P.1201 - 4 Personalized Adjusters are the all-wise and powerful executives of the Architects of the Master Universe. They are the personal agents of the full ministry of the Universal Father--personal, prepersonal, and superpersonal. They are the personal ministers of the extraordinary, the unusual, and the unexpected throughout all the realms of the transcendental absonite spheres of the domain of God the Ultimate, even to the levels of God the Absolute.

Appreciate the thoughful question. Hope this helps, Rick

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Posted 31 July 2009 - 05:22 AM

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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 7.




IV. UNIVERSE REALITY



Reality differentially actualizes on diverse universe levels; reality originates in and by the infinite volition of the Universal Father and is realizable in three primal phases on many different levels of universe actualization:

1. Undeified reality ranges from the energy domains of the nonpersonal to the reality realms of the nonpersonalizable values of universal existence, even to the presence of the Unqualified Absolute.

2. Deified reality embraces all of infinite Deity potentials ranging upward through all realms of personality from the lowest finite to the highest infinite, thus encompassing the domain of all that which is personalizable and more--even to the presence of the Deity Absolute.

3. Interassociated reality. Universe reality is supposedly either deified or undeified, but to subdeified beings there exists a vast domain of interassociated reality, potential and actualizing, which is difficult of identification. Much of this co-ordinate reality is embraced within the realms of the Universal Absolute.

P.7 - 3 This is the primal concept of original reality: The Father initiates and maintains Reality. The primal differentials of reality are the deified and the undeified--the Deity Absolute and the Unqualified Absolute. The primal relationship is the tension between them. This Father-initiated divinity-tension is perfectly resolved by, and eternalizes as, the Universal Absolute.

P.7 - 4 From the viewpoint of time and space, reality is further divisible as:

1. Actual and Potential. Realities existing in fullness of expression in contrast to those which carry undisclosed capacity for growth. The Eternal Son is an absolute spiritual actuality; mortal man is very largely an unrealized spiritual potentiality.

2. Absolute and Subabsolute. Absolute realities are eternity existences. Subabsolute realities are projected on two levels: Absonites--realities which are relative with respect to both time and eternity. Finites--realities which are projected in space and are actualized in time.

3. Existential and Experiential. Paradise Deity is existential, but the emerging Supreme and Ultimate are experiential.

4. Personal and Impersonal. Deity expansion, personality expression, and universe evolution are forever conditioned by the Father's freewill act which forever separated the mind-spirit-personal meanings and values of actuality and potentiality centering in the Eternal Son from those things which center and inhere in the eternal Isle of Paradise.


P.7 - 9 PARADISE is a term inclusive of the personal and the nonpersonal focal Absolutes of all phases of universe reality. Paradise, properly qualified, may connote any and all forms of reality, Deity, divinity, personality, and energy--spiritual, mindal, or material. All share Paradise as the place of origin, function, and destiny, as regards values, meanings, and factual existence.

P.7 - 10 The Isle of Paradise--Paradise not otherwise qualified--is the Absolute of the material-gravity control of the First Source and Center. Paradise is motionless, being the only stationary thing in the universe of universes. The Isle of Paradise has a universe location but no position in space. This eternal Isle is the actual source of the physical universes--past, present, and future. The nuclear Isle of Light is a Deity derivative, but it is hardly Deity; neither are the material creations a part of Deity; they are a consequence.

P.7 - 11 Paradise is not a creator; it is a unique controller of many universe activities, far more of a controller than a reactor. Throughout the material universes Paradise influences the reactions and conduct of all beings having to do with force, energy, and power, but Paradise itself is unique, exclusive, and isolated in the universes. Paradise represents nothing and nothing represents Paradise. It is neither a force nor a presence; it is just Paradise.




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Posted 01 August 2009 - 05:24 AM

How much of page 7 can you digest?

This page contains a time/space explanation of the foundations of reality itself. Never has humanity had access to such profound revelations as are presented here. Universe beginnings/endings were but hazy horizons before the Urantia Book. Now we can know how the universe philosophers attempt to sort and explain eternal reality, and now we can understand that Divinity relations are a result of divinity 'tension'.

But page 7 makes two more master points, including four ways to categorize time/space reality, and the Reality of Paradise. Paradise is the Universal Home, the necessary and absolute center of all things and beings.

And page 7 ends with two inscrutable sentences:

Paradise represents nothing and nothing represents Paradise. It is neither a force nor a presence; it is just Paradise.


Maybe we'll understand Paradise better by the time we arrive.

Inward! Rick

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 03:44 AM

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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 8.



V. PERSONALITY REALITIES




P.8 - 1 Personality is a level of deified reality and ranges from the mortal and midwayer level of the higher mind activation of worship and wisdom up through the morontial and spiritual to the attainment of finality of personality status. That is the evolutionary ascent of mortal-and kindred-creature personality, but there are numerous other orders of universe personalities.

P.8 - 2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

P.8 - 3 On attained experiential levels all personality orders or values are associable and even cocreational. Even God and man can coexist in a unified personality, as is so exquisitely demonstrated in the present status of Christ Michael--Son of Man and Son of God.

P.8 - 4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

P.8 - 5 The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

P.8 - 6 These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man--the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal--not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

P.9 - 1 Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

P.9 - 2 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.



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Posted 02 August 2009 - 11:38 AM

P.8 - 2 While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

P.8 - 5 But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.


What do you suppose this means: ". . . the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited,. . . ."?

The quantity of stuff pouring out of and back into the Isle of Paradaise may be unlimited. But are they saying the kinds of this non-personal stuff are limited?

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 02:46 PM

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Welcome to UAI Forum's One-Page-A-Day Online Study Group.



~ Today's presentation is from:


The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 8.



V. PERSONALITY REALITIES




P.8 - 1 Personality is a level of deified reality and ranges from the mortal and midwayer level of the higher mind activation of worship and wisdom up through the morontial and spiritual to the attainment of finality of personality status. That is the evolutionary ascent of mortal-and kindred-creature personality, but there are numerous other orders of universe personalities.

P.8 - 2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.

P.8 - 3 On attained experiential levels all personality orders or values are associable and even cocreational. Even God and man can coexist in a unified personality, as is so exquisitely demonstrated in the present status of Christ Michael--Son of Man and Son of God.

P.8 - 4 All subinfinite orders and phases of personality are associative attainables and are potentially cocreational. The prepersonal, the personal, and the superpersonal are all linked together by mutual potential of co-ordinate attainment, progressive achievement, and cocreational capacity. But never does the impersonal directly transmute to the personal. Personality is never spontaneous; it is the gift of the Paradise Father. Personality is superimposed upon energy, and it is associated only with living energy systems; identity can be associated with nonliving energy patterns.

P.8 - 5 The Universal Father is the secret of the reality of personality, the bestowal of personality, and the destiny of personality. The Eternal Son is the absolute personality, the secret of spiritual energy, morontia spirits, and perfected spirits. The Conjoint Actor is the spirit-mind personality, the source of intelligence, reason, and the universal mind. But the Isle of Paradise is nonpersonal and extraspiritual, being the essence of the universal body, the source and center of physical matter, and the absolute master pattern of universal material reality.

P.8 - 6 These qualities of universal reality are manifest in Urantian human experience on the following levels:

1. Body. The material or physical organism of man. The living electrochemical mechanism of animal nature and origin.

2. Mind. The thinking, perceiving, and feeling mechanism of the human organism. The total conscious and unconscious experience. The intelligence associated with the emotional life reaching upward through worship and wisdom to the spirit level.

3. Spirit. The divine spirit that indwells the mind of man--the Thought Adjuster. This immortal spirit is prepersonal--not a personality, though destined to become a part of the personality of the surviving mortal creature.

4. Soul. The soul of man is an experiential acquirement. As a mortal creature chooses to "do the will of the Father in heaven," so the indwelling spirit becomes the father of a new reality in human experience. The mortal and material mind is the mother of this same emerging reality. The substance of this new reality is neither material nor spiritual--it is morontial. This is the emerging and immortal soul which is destined to survive mortal death and begin the Paradise ascension.

P.9 - 1 Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

P.9 - 2 Morontia is a term designating a vast level intervening between the material and the spiritual. It may designate personal or impersonal realities, living or nonliving energies. The warp of morontia is spiritual; its woof is physical.



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Greetings! Martin newly arrived on the scene. Have only just begun to study the UB in depth and was delighted to see that you've begun a daily study. I'm also listening to Audio portions of the book while simultaneously reading; the audio version I'm enjoying utilize different voices for the respective celestial personalities--the voice used for the foreword is reminiscent of Vic Perrin--the control voice for the Original Outer Limits--I could swear that its him! Anyone know who this could actually be?

Glad that I've been welcomed today, because was just wondering yesterday what the essential nature of "Morontia" is in reference to one's personality--and what does "woof" here indicate?

Glad to be apart of the group!

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 03:26 PM

Hi Martin,

Welcome to the forum!

Glad that I've been welcomed today, because was just wondering yesterday what the essential nature of "Morontia" is in reference to one's personality--and what does "woof" here indicate?

A friendly "woof" can be just what one needs to hear at the end of a long day :)

But here, as my grandma tells me, "woof" (or weft) is the fill that is supported by
the weaver's stronger and defining "warp". Picturing our humanity as a unique woof,
made sturdy and real by our Adjuster -- an absolute warp -- is a neat image!

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Posted 02 August 2009 - 05:56 PM

Hi Martin,

Welcome to the forum!


A friendly "woof" can be just what one needs to hear at the end of a long day :)

But here, as my grandma tells me, "woof" (or weft) is the fill that is supported by
the weaver's stronger and defining "warp". Picturing our humanity as a unique woof,
made sturdy and real by our Adjuster -- an absolute warp -- is a neat image!

Nigel


Thank-you, Nigel. Do I assume correctly, in reference to the Morontial personality, that my own personhood is somehow linked to this state...an in-between the physical and spiritual? Since my own "personality", bestowed by the Universal Father, transcends all forms of physical and even spiritual reality-- is the morontial soul still somehow linked to personhood as contrasted with personality?

Thank-you,

Martin

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 05:06 AM

Hi Martin,

Do I assume correctly, in reference to the Morontial personality, that my own personhood is somehow linked to this state... an in-between the physical and spiritual? Since my own "personality", bestowed by the Universal Father, transcends all forms of physical and even spiritual reality-- is the morontial soul still somehow linked to personhood as contrasted with personality?

As they say on page 9, "The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit;
neither is it the soul."
[p.9:1]. For me the idea of soul now conjures up the concept of a more
robust vehicle for our personality and identity. At the end of page 1232, the author points out
that once this morontia vehicle is ready, we can shift our driving seat, and actually begin our
"morontia career" in the middle of a very normal human life (see below).

My favorite introduction to "morontia" is on page 189:

"Who, aside from these ancestors of both physical controllers and spirit ministers, could have contrived so to combine and associate material and spiritual energies as to produce a hitherto nonexistent phase of universe reality--morontia substance and morontia mind?" [UB p.189:6]

For me, this implies the Seven Master Spirits actually invented "morontia" as a technique
for enabling one of our necessary early transitions. Here is one of the three paragraphs
about shifting the location from which we drive:

"But mortal personality, through its own choosing, possesses the power of transferring its seat of identity from the passing material-intellect system to the higher morontia-soul system which, in association with the Thought Adjuster, is created as a new vehicle for personality manifestation." [UB pp.1232,3]

Some of these ideas are partially echoed in existing 'frames-for-thought", but I find
their clarification and integration in the Urantia papers to be refreshing, and timely.
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 05:11 AM

Hi Martin,


As they say on page 9, "The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit;
neither is it the soul."
[p.9:1]. For me the idea of soul now conjures up the concept of a more
robust vehicle for our personality and identity. At the end of page 1232, the author points out
that once this morontia vehicle is ready, we can shift our driving seat, and actually begin our
"morontia career" in the middle of a very normal human life (see below).

My favorite introduction to "morontia" is on page 189:


For me, this implies the Seven Master Spirits actually invented "morontia" as a technique
for enabling one of our necessary early transitions. Here is one of the three paragraphs
about shifting the location from which we drive:


Some of these ideas are partially echoed in existing 'frames-for-thought", but I find
their clarification and integration in the Urantia papers to be refreshing, and timely.
Nigel


Hi, Nigel

Wonderful clarification...thank-you, much!

Martin

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 10:15 AM

Bill,

(The perception of reality differs. Sight and sound are artifacts of our brain which processes these neural signals. How much differently we all perceive identical stimuli. How differently must a morontia ascender process these same inputs with a score or more additional senses. What was a flat screen becomes a hologram, what loveliness is a rose in bloom, more lovely as a moire pattern of living flowing energies and lights? Still a rose, and lovelier! Does the enhanced perception of the rose change its nature. Does it make the rose more real?)

P.S. I think the development of capacity signalizes advent of superimposition of higher levels of repletion.


I had to think about this and let it percolate for a while. I think you're on to something here. So, completion never really occurs because the act of completing something automatically results in the creation of new capacity for further repletion. By using the word "replete" they are suggesting that we get "filled up" only to realize that the "filling up" has created more space to be filled. When there is no bottom or top to the vessel, the idea of filling it up is kind of ludicrous I guess.

Good stuff

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 01:25 PM

What do you suppose this means: ". . . the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited,. . . ."?

The quantity of stuff pouring out of and back into the Isle of Paradaise may be unlimited. But are they saying the kinds of this non-personal stuff are limited?

Meredith



That one caught my eye too Meredith,

Isn't the author saying material reality has its limits but not personality reality? Here's the whole paragraph again:

P.8 - 2 Reality is subject to universal expansion, personality to infinite diversification, and both are capable of well-nigh unlimited Deity co-ordination and eternal stabilization. While the metamorphic range of nonpersonal reality is definitely limited, we know of no limitations to the progressive evolution of personality realities.



Metamorpic range means the range of change, yes?


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Posted 03 August 2009 - 01:53 PM

Thanks Martin for that insightful question,

Which precipitated Nigel's great response. Please give your Granny a hug from the OPAD study group, Nigel.

Welcome to all just now joining the OPAD SG. If you are interested, studying page 2 of the Foreword sprouted two other threads, one titled: Personality. Click here. Included are personality graphics! Yes, you read that right, personality graphics. Ck it out.

Take this link to the other branch topic discussion of Perfected Creator Sons. Absonite functions? Existential-experiential? spawned by concepts presented on page 3.


Tomorrow ~ Page 9
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Posted 03 August 2009 - 01:58 PM

QUOTE (Bill Martin @ Jul 30 2009, 10:41 PM)
(The perception of reality differs. Sight and sound are artifacts of our brain which processes these neural signals. How much differently we all perceive identical stimuli. How differently must a morontia ascender process these same inputs with a score or more additional senses. What was a flat screen becomes a hologram, what loveliness is a rose in bloom, more lovely as a moire pattern of living flowing energies and lights? Still a rose, and lovelier! Does the enhanced perception of the rose change its nature. Does it make the rose more real?)

P.S. I think the development of capacity signalizes advent of superimposition of higher levels of repletion.


Bill,

I had to think about this and let it percolate for a while. I think you're on to something here. So, completion never really occurs because the act of completing something automatically results in the creation of new capacity for further repletion. By using the word "replete" they are suggesting that we get "filled up" only to realize that the "filling up" has created more space to be filled. When there is no bottom or top to the vessel, the idea of filling it up is kind of ludicrous I guess.

Good stuff



Agreed!

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 03:23 PM

That one caught my eye too Meredith
Isn't the author saying material reality has its limits but not personality reality? Here's the whole paragraph again:
Metamorpic range means the range of change, yes?


METAMORPHIC from http://wordie.org/words/metamorphic

(adj): of or relating to metamorphosis (especially of rocks)
(adj): vs. nonmetamorphic) -- (characterized by metamorphosis or change in physical form or substance
(adj): characterized by incomplete metamorphosis; having the same number of body segments in successive stages
(adj): (of an insect with aquatic young) undergoing incomplete metamorphosis in which the young does not resemble the adult
(adj): (of an insect) undergoing incomplete metamorphosis in which the nymph is essentially like the adult and there is no pupal stage
(adj): (of an insect) undergoing complete metamorphosis
(adj): produced by metamorphosis
(adj): changed in constitution or structure or composition by metamorphism

EXAMPLES OF USAGE from http://www.wordnik.c...rds/metamorphic
The clay slate is metamorphic, being almost entirely composed of mica.
In its more limited sense, the term metamorphic is confined to those changes of the rock which are produced, not by the effect of the atmosphere or of water on the exposed surfaces, but which are produced, directly or indirectly, by agencies seated in the interior of the earth.
Statuary marble, and most of the celebrated foreign marbles, are "metamorphic" rocks, of a highly crystalline nature, and having all traces of their primitive organic structure obliterated.

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 03:43 PM

Thanks Bonita,

Evidently anything might metamorphose. But metamorphosis means change, in the classic sense, as in tadpole to frog, larvae to butterfly. The Revelators here speak of the maximum possible range of change in nonpersonal reality, as opposed to personal. Aren't they saying in essence: Potential personal realities are without apparent limit?

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Posted 03 August 2009 - 06:29 PM

Hi Rick,

You said:

Aren't they saying in essence: Potential personal realities are without apparent limit?


Yes, but I would like to qualify that statement. Personality itself is changeless, but the relationship between God and the personality is always changing. If the change ceases, the relationship ceases. (And possibly vice versa?)

0:5.11 Personality. The personality of mortal man is neither body, mind, nor spirit; neither is it the soul. Personality is the one changeless reality in an otherwise ever-changing creature experience; and it unifies all other associated factors of individuality. The personality is the unique bestowal which the Universal Father makes upon the living and associated energies of matter, mind, and spirit, and which survives with the survival of the morontial soul.

p1226:3 112:0.15 The Adjuster and the personality are changeless; the relationship between them (in the soul) is nothing but change, continuing evolution; and if this change (growth) ceased, the soul would cease.


Personal reality and personality go hand in hand. It sort of fits into the discussion on repletion.

12:9.1 Spirit is the basic personal reality in the universes, and personality is basic to all progressing experience with spiritual reality. Every phase of personality experience on every successive level of universe progression swarms with clues to the discovery of alluring personal realities. Man's true destiny consists in the creation of new and spirit goals and then in responding to the cosmic allurements of such supernal goals of nonmaterial value.


But it all comes down to the relationship between the Creator and the creature.

12:9.6 Mortal man has a spirit nucleus. The mind is a personal-energy system existing around a divine spirit nucleus and functioning in a material environment. Such a living relationship of personal mind and spirit constitutes the universe potential of eternal personality. Real trouble, lasting disappointment, serious defeat, or inescapable death can come only after self-concepts presume fully to displace the governing power of the central spirit nucleus, thereby disrupting the cosmic scheme of personality identity.



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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:39 AM

Hi Rick,

You said:


Yes, but I would like to qualify that statement. Personality itself is changeless, but the relationship between God and the personality is always changing. If the change ceases, the relationship ceases. (And possibly vice versa?)



Personal reality and personality go hand in hand. It sort of fits into the discussion on repletion.



But it all comes down to the relationship between the Creator and the creature.



Appreciate those qualifications and quotes Bonita. The Universe is so very personal in its relations, brings a warmth to the soul.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 04:51 AM

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The FOREWORD of The Urantia Book, Page 9.



VI. ENERGY AND PATTERN



P.9 - 3 Any and all things responding to the personality circuit of the Father, we call personal. Any and all things responding to the spirit circuit of the Son, we call spirit. Any and all that responds to the mind circuit of the Conjoint Actor, we call mind, mind as an attribute of the Infinite Spirit--mind in all its phases. Any and all that responds to the material-gravity circuit centering in nether Paradise, we call matter--energy-matter in all its metamorphic states.


P.9 - 4 ENERGY we use as an all-inclusive term applied to spiritual, mindal, and material realms. Force is also thus broadly used. Power is ordinarily limited to the designation of the electronic level of material or linear-gravity-responsive matter in the grand universe. Power is also employed to designate sovereignty. We cannot follow your generally accepted definitions of force, energy, and power. There is such paucity of language that we must assign multiple meanings to these terms.

P.9 - 5 Physical energy is a term denoting all phases and forms of phenomenal motion, action, and potential.

P.9 - 6 In discussing physical-energy manifestations, we generally use the terms cosmic force, emergent energy, and universe power. These are often employed as follows:

1. Cosmic force embraces all energies deriving from the Unqualified Absolute but which are as yet unresponsive to Paradise gravity.

2. Emergent energy embraces those energies which are responsive to Paradise gravity but are as yet unresponsive to local or linear gravity. This is the pre-electronic level of energy-matter.

3. Universe power includes all forms of energy which, while still responding to Paradise gravity, are directly responsive to linear gravity. This is the electronic level of energy-matter and all subsequent evolutions thereof.


P.9 - 10 Mind is a phenomenon connoting the presence-activity of living ministry in addition to varied energy systems; and this is true on all levels of intelligence. In personality, mind ever intervenes between spirit and matter; therefore is the universe illuminated by three kinds of light: material light, intellectual insight, and spirit luminosity.

P.10 - 1 Light--spirit luminosity--is a word symbol, a figure of speech, which connotes the personality manifestation characteristic of spirit beings of diverse orders. This luminous emanation is in no respect related either to intellectual insight or to physical-light manifestations.




P.10 - 2 PATTERN can be projected as material, spiritual, or mindal, or any combination of these energies. It can pervade personalities, identities, entities, or nonliving matter. But pattern is pattern and remains pattern; only copies are multiplied.

P.10 - 3 Pattern may configure energy, but it does not control it. Gravity is the sole control of energy-matter. Neither space nor pattern are gravity responsive, but there is no relationship between space and pattern; space is neither pattern nor potential pattern. Pattern is a configuration of reality which has already paid all gravity debt; the reality of any pattern consists of its energies, its mind, spirit, or material components.

P.10 - 4 In contrast to the aspect of the total, pattern discloses the individual aspect of energy and of personality. Personality or identity forms are patterns resultant from energy (physical, spiritual, or mindal) but are not inherent therein. That quality of energy or of personality by virtue of which pattern is caused to appear may be attributed to God--Deity--to Paradise force endowment, to the coexistence of personality and power.

P.10 - 5 Pattern is a master design from which copies are made. Eternal Paradise is the absolute of patterns; the Eternal Son is the pattern personality; the Universal Father is the direct ancestor-source of both. But Paradise does not bestow pattern, and the Son cannot bestow personality.



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