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#61 Guest_EEB aka AASB-AWSW_*

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 08:24 PM

What does the Spirit of Truth have to do with Spirit-fused mortals? They're not at all the same thing.

The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of the Universal Father and the Creator Son.

194:2.3 In a certain sense, this Spirit of Truth is the spirit of both the Universal Father and the Creator Son.

194:2.16 4. The spirit of the Universal Father and the Creator Son — the Spirit of Truth, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Son.

A Spirit-fused mortal are creatures who fuse with a fragment of the premind spirit of the Third Source and Center.

30:1.101 The fragmentations of the premind spirit of the Third Source and Center, though hardly comparable to the Father fragments, should be here recorded. Such entities differ very greatly from Adjusters; they do not as such dwell on Spiritington, nor do they as such traverse the mind-gravity circuits; neither do they indwell mortal creatures during the life in the flesh. They are not prepersonal in the sense that the Adjusters are, but such fragments of premind spirit are bestowed upon certain of the surviving mortals, and fusion therewith constitutes them Spirit-fused mortals in contradistinction to Adjuster-fused mortals.


Contradistinction

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1. marked differentiation: differentiation between two things by identifying their contrasting qualities

Would it also not be possible that one mortal could be fused by two entities as in a triune nature.

Edited by EEB aka AASB-AWSW, 04 February 2013 - 03:34 PM.


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Posted 03 February 2013 - 10:44 PM

Would it also not be possible that one mortal could be fused by two entities as in a triune nature.


Fusion can only occur with one aspect of Deity, either the First, Second or Third Person. The choices are either Father fused, Son fused or Spirit fused, but only one, and no one fuses with the Spirit of Truth. Also . . . if you're fused to any one of the three, you wouldn't be typing posts on this forum.

40:9.1 Ascending Spirit-fused mortals are not Third Source personalities; they are included in the Father’s personality circuit, but they have fused with individualizations of the premind spirit of the Third Source and Center. Such Spirit fusion never occurs during the span of natural life; it takes place only at the time of mortal reawakening in the morontia existence on the mansion worlds. In the fusion experience there is no overlapping; the will creature is either Spirit fused, Son fused, or Father fused. Those who are Adjuster or Father fused are never Spirit or Son fused.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 10:33 AM

Yes this may be true, but if one is fused with the Father, also being a Son, would they not take on the ability to experience the variable triunities? If I am not mistaken, which I researched yesterday, that there are enumerable combinations which have not been presented in the UB.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:00 AM

The Thought Adjuster is not the Son. Father-fused individuals fuse with the Thought Adjuster which is a fragment of the Universal Father alone. The Eternal Son does not fragment.

7:5.3 The purely personal nature of the Eternal Son is incapable of fragmentation.

Son-fused personalities fuse with individualized bestowals of the spirit of the Creator Son, which are not the same as the Spirit of Truth.

107:1.7 As the Universal Father fragmentizes his prepersonal Deity, so does the Infinite Spirit individuate portions of his premind spirit to indwell and actually to fuse with the evolutionary souls of the surviving mortals of the spirit-fusion series. But the nature of the Eternal Son is not thus fragmentable; the spirit of the Original Son is either diffuse or discretely personal. Son-fused creatures are united with individualized bestowals of the spirit of the Creator Sons of the Eternal Son.

The Spirit of Truth is the Spirit of the Father and the Son. The Spirit of Truth is not fuseable.

What triunity are you referring to exactly? Are you thinking of the Trinity embrace, trinitization, which can happen only after reaching finaliter status?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 11:15 AM

2. The Absolute Basis for Supremacy


(1261.1) 115:2.1 From the existential standpoint, nothing new can happen throughout the galaxies, for the

completion of infinity inherent in the I AM is eternally present in the seven Absolutes, is functionally

associated in the triunities, and is transmitively associated in the triodities. But the fact that infinity is thus

existentially present in these absolute associations in no way makes it impossible to realize new cosmic

experientials. From a finite creature’s viewpoint, infinity contains much that is potential, much that is on the

order of a future possibility rather than a present actuality.


(1261.2) 115:2.2 Value is a unique element in universe reality. We do not comprehend how the value of

anything infinite and divine could possibly be increased. But we discover that meanings can be modified if

not augmented even in the relations of infinite Deity. To the experiential universes even divine values are

increased as actualities by enlarged comprehension of reality meanings.


(1261.3) 115:2.3 The entire scheme of universal creation and evolution on all experiencing levels is apparently

a matter of the conversion of potentialities into actualities; and this transmutation has to do equally with

the realms of space potency, mind potency, and spirit potency.


(1261.4) 115:2.4 The apparent method whereby the possibilities of the cosmos are brought into actual

existence varies from level to level, being experiential evolution in the finite and experiential eventuation in

the absonite. Existential infinity is indeed unqualified in all-inclusiveness, and this very all-inclusiveness

must, perforce, encompass even the possibility for evolutionary finite experiencing. And the possibility for

such experiential growth becomes a universe actuality through triodity relationships impinging upon and in

the Supreme.

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

This thread is about Abner. You made a statement that Andrew and Philip had secret information about duality, which is something that Abner would have believed in. Then you went on to say that you had access to secret knowledge about creation that was given to Andrew and Philip because of some kind of fusion phenomenon. Now you've gone way, way off topic talking about the Absolutes and triunities. May I suggest that you start your own thread?

Do you have something to add to the conversation about Abner and Philadelphia?

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Posted 04 February 2013 - 03:41 PM

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Do you have something to add to the conversation about Abner and Philadelphia?


Noop, I think I made my point! Thank You.

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:54 PM

Is it possible that the group of Jesus' followers known as the Nazarenes were the original Jewish believers in the kingdom teachings?

Nazarene Jewish Christianity is a comprehensive study of the heirs of the earliest Jerusalem church, their history and doctrines, their relations with both synagogue and the growing Gentile church. The author analyzes all sources, Jewish, Christian, and pagan, which can throw light on the sect and its ultimate mysterious disappearance. He also deals with the Birkat haMinim and historicity of the flight to Pella.
http://www.amazon.co...sh+christianity


According to the author, the Nazarenes as a faith basically vanished after the conversion of Constantine.

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Posted 06 March 2013 - 11:56 AM

I wonder if the Ebionites or some other Jewish-Christian sect were the followers of Abner:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebionites

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -
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Posted 16 September 2013 - 08:54 AM

 

The real question, (and i will leave this to others smarter and more educated than I) is, "what lessons do Paul and Abner give to us and our stewardship of the Urantia Papers?"
 

No compromise no bridge?

 

Its confusing though, because those very same compromises were detrimental to the original gospel message and stand as a great obstacle for the reception of the 5th epochal in this age.

 

So this brings us to the question, should we compromise the UB for the sake of numbers? If not then why, because Abner seems to be vilified for remaining true to the original gospel that was hijacked by Paul?

 

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Posted 16 September 2013 - 10:10 AM

Good question Colter. Ck out UAI's new forum, everyone's posting over there now. http://urantia-uai.org






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