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#41 nameless until fused

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 05:24 PM

Melchizedek's comments have nothing to do with your sometimes angry sarcasm, and everything to do with Jesus teachings.


I'll be using the UB for a door stop before I'll use it to make a case about how YOU are not in sync with Jesus's teachings. Too easy to use it against YOU...and I don't think it's fair when it's that easy.

And thanks for the opportunity to again suggest a #10 addition to the Forum rules - "People who use quotes from the UB to make a case against a poster that the poster is NOT Jesus-like will get an automatic warning and the third quote/time that they do it, they will be suspended until they take the beam out of their own eye."...or something along those lines....feel free to contribute to the wording...

The OLD 1950 edition I have notes that psychotics and sociopaths are the only ones who perceive "anger" in others (when there is none) for their OWN advantage. It's a way to hide their scheme and motives.

WORDS cannot be the sole barometer of "anger", everyone knows that. What you call sarcasm, on the other hand, is a great time saver when it comes to problem identification and problem solving. Romans gave it respect as a method (especially political satire) - they called it "reducto absurdum".

There are lots of characters in my head - especially cartoon - that I can "create" as a writer. And I have an ear for remembering the jazz fugue conversations of regional characters with their cussing and accents....I was having a grand old time here "chatting" with you as you are definitely a "religious" archtype. But I have to admit to losing all interest in you as a "teacher" - especially with the "...you are NOT Jesus!" schtick - yucky ol' pharisee crap and in today's world, one person could have enough weapons to take down a small army of crucifiers....and like you noted - I am NOT Jesus....

You couldn't even rise to the occasion of playing pretend long enough to adjust your "teaching" once I admitted to maybe being Daligastia and YOU were the great defender of the true, the beautiful and the good on planet UAI forum....

ho hum...

As Phil noted - it WAS, ironically enough, it's own original thread lesson, for a while, on what self assertion really looks like - but the ending isn't very "hollywood" - I'm walking away spiritually bored with your accusations and character destruction case using UB quotes - maybe the story-line could be revived if people delve more into YOUR motives? Who knows, following you around IN LIFE could prevent a "sin"...judging from your PM to me you are about to embark on a mission to let UAI know what I am "really" like by filching stuff from a PRIVATE website run by a different "Bill" because people have the right to know what a BAD BAD girl I am...yup, a sin could be avoided by exercising "conscious" now and then, no doubt about it...

IMO, Jessica from Phoenix has potential to be the feminine archtype of UB grace and charm for all you self-appointed UAI Pharisees - go ahead and groom her....the next Sara Palin, perhaps? Jessica IS on welfare so she can definitely "volunteer" more of her time towards being spiritually groomed by you.

Me? I'll still be recommending The Urantia Book as a book worth reading to anyone who asks if I've read any good books lately...

Yup, Daligastia likes the UB - go figure :P Must be the "science" in it that Cal had all wrong....or was he lying to her about "gravity"....? :P :P

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 07:29 PM

NuF,

You may have noticed that your right to post here has not yet been removed.

The only censorship you have suffered is that I deleted a personal attack
you made on another member, and I edited a comment you made about
a religious organization.

No one here denies your impressive intellect and understanding, and many
of your contributions have been excellent. But your way of dismissing the
opinions of others, and of diverting the focus of a thread, has become both
disruptive and tiresome.

This forum could serve as a valuable place for those interested in finding
out about the Urantia Papers. Please be more friendly and gracious when
participating here.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:00 PM

But your way of dismissing the opinions of others

Nigel


What rule number is that one...?

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:12 PM

But your way of dismissing the opinions of others...

What rule number is that one...?

Courtesy. Maturity. Friendliness.

NuF, you may have noticed I am not a stickler for rules. But this forum does require
those posting here to be sane and polite, even if graciousness is not always attained.

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 08:39 PM

What rule number is that one...?

Courtesy. Maturity. Friendliness.

NuF, you may have noticed I am not a stickler for rules. But this forum does require
those posting here to be sane and polite, even if graciousness is not always attained.

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So it is NOT "sane" and "polite" to BELIEVE in what I was taught in Catholic school by the nuns:

"Sticks and stones can break your bones but words can never hurt you".

No "dismissing" of opinions allowed?

Seriously, this is IMPORTANT stuff - what is "sane and "polite" on a self-assertion and liberty thread....

This could be something new I have to add to my study of how men and women's perspective on what is "sane" and "polite" could be VERY different.

Let's ask "Jessica" from Phoenix with her Mormon background...and, of course, anyone else can jump in!

But I think we are having fun again with the drama on this thread - half a Broadway play is here already...

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Posted 13 January 2009 - 10:15 PM

what is "sane and "polite" on a self-assertion and liberty thread...

"Self-assertion and liberty"... we seem to have arrived at the associated question of sincerity.

But I think we are having fun again with the drama on this thread - half a Broadway play is here already...

Are you using this forum for your entertainment?
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Posted 14 January 2009 - 02:18 AM

Are you using this forum for your entertainment?
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Nope, are you?

I'm dead serious about questioning how "sane" it is to assign TOO much power to words...it may SEEM like people start wars over the power of words, but that's not really TRUE, is it?

Got some great news this evening....I can't tell you what an AMAZING experience it is to see the wheels of justice start to move again - the joy that fills the soul is HUGE.

Let's call her "Mary" - Mary made the decision to fight an injustice FOR US ALL - an amazing woman. Watch out for them peace and love hippies - when they find out that their time to DO something to change the world is indeed very limited, they are CHOOSING to die with their boots on, so to speak....wish I could share all the details of her story....I have to tell you, JUSTICE in motion is a HUGE "rush" (hippie parlance)....deep down in the soul...fighting for JUSTICE with a group of like minds must be one of those "things" that pops you into the next circle - who coulda thunk it? :P

Would writing a play about Jesus that had a different ending - he was found innocent - would you consider THAT "entertainment"...? Or a secondary work by a UB reader?

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 12:03 PM

"Yup, Daligastia likes the UB - go figure Must be the "science" in it that Cal had all wrong....or was he lying to her about "gravity"....?" "Let's ask "Jessica" from Phoenix with her Mormon background...and, of course, anyone else can jump in!"

What does IMO mean? Nameless, how nice that you admire my feminine charm because I admire your rugged manliness. I love that guy, Cal. He says Dal is his lady friend, but the UB doesn’t say anything about Dal being a she. It’s such a good story that I just go with it too. I told him that I thought his website was better than a vampire movie. He didn’t respond. He stays in character. His real name is Robert Burgess and he put up the website 10 years ago. My friend who runs our study group in Phoenix knows him.

“I hear you claim to channel Caligastia?” “No, I don’t claim to channel Caligastia. I am Caligastia.”

Love that guy!!! Why would you spend all that money every month for a website pretending to be Caligastia? I mean, why would anyone bother? And keep it up for 10 years. Anyway, the guy does a brilliant job impersonating Caligastia. He’s busy these days channel surfing and picking up women on Compuserve. And he votes conservative. I haven’t checked in with him in awhile so I must do that periodically. He really is just for entertainment.
"If woman aspires literally to enjoy all of man's rights, then sooner or later, pitiless and emotionless competition will certainly replace that chivalry and special consideration which many women now enjoy, and which they have so recently won from men (Urantia Book, 938)."

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Posted 15 January 2009 - 01:15 PM

What does IMO mean?

in my opinion


Nameless, how nice that you admire my feminine charm because I admire your rugged manliness.

Why thank you - I am often USED, operationally, for a masculine function. Someone has to do the tough jobs :P I do clean up very nicely, though, and the feminine "charm" and "secrets" can be discerned - but I follow Jesus and tend not to exploit all those talents for greed (lack of wisdom) or fear (lack of love).

The latest "theory" of social engineers seems to be that there is a 20 year lag between entertainment that dissolves prejudice and general acceptance of the truth of the non-prejudiced view. The example is Bill Cosby's portrayal of family life and the election of a racial mix as Prez of USA....I'm hoping that 20 years out from here where it's commonly accepted to SEE women as sex slaves and porno queens won't result in mandatory burkha wearing for MEN.
:P

He says Dal is his lady friend, but the UB doesn’t say anything about Dal being a she.

A cosmic pairing, so to speak, involves a positive and negative charge. It was Mary who gave Jesus the human inheritance factor that He refined into His presentation of the aspect of God's personality that is "aggressively good"....do you remember reading about that in the UB - Part IV?

Love that guy!!! Why would you spend all that money every month for a website pretending to be Caligastia? I mean, why would anyone bother? And keep it up for 10 years. Anyway, the guy does a brilliant job impersonating Caligastia. He’s busy these days channel surfing and picking up women on Compuserve. And he votes conservative. I haven’t checked in with him in awhile so I must do that periodically. He really is just for entertainment.

One man's truth is another man's fiction (same goes for women) - not THAT's "entertainment". :P



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Posted 16 January 2009 - 01:38 PM

Hi Jessica,

Found the info about Jesus' Mother - Page 1348 - 5. Jesus' Earth Parents - "...All in all, Mary's temperment tended to dominate the career of the divine Son as he grew up and swung into the momentous strides of his adult life....".

When you read about the first humans - Andon and Fonta - you get even a less controversial, politically speaking, example of the natural relationship between the negative/positive, the male/female, the ying/yang, etc etc etc. It was Fonta who contributed to fire maintenance by "discovering" kindling wood - in her case, an abandoned, dried out bird nest.

I consider any attempt to UNEDUCATE females to be a PHYSICAL MANIFESTATION of a high culture/civilization that is collapsing from lack of wisdom and rule of law.

To UNEDUCATE anyone in today's world entails physical harm to the person's health (drugged organic brains), psycho logically disembling a person's reputation and PAST successful contributions (LABOUR, SERVICE and EXPERIENCE), and through use of a, previously, uncorrupted "government" function dedicated to JUSTICE, dis-fellowshiping a person from NORMAL human relationships and friendships through bodily incarceration of some kind (like wearing a tent over your body when out in public, or Nazis making the people wear some kind of symbol marking them as "other"...etc).

One woman's idea of "special consideration" from man could be nothing more than a show of brute force designed to UNEDUCATE the woman, imo :P

At any rate, it does NOT hurt to judge the ACT against the yardstick of the three things above - are they poisoning your organic brain? are they re-writting and re-interpreting your personal history following the rules in a "holy" book that was written by them FOR them? are they questioning your experience and service by finding a person who will lie for them to build their unjust case? and have they imprisoned you in your own home by creating a lawless "street" outside the home?

Page 1349 - The families of both Joseph and Mary were well educated for their time. Joseph and Mary were educated far above the average for their day and station in life. He was a thinker; she was a planner, expert in adaptation and practical in immediate execution. Joseph was a black-eyed brunet; Mary a brown-eyed well-nigh blond type."

Every member in the family needs those two quarts of water per day - IMMEDIATE EXECUTION. Charity and volunteerism are defined differently in the UB as a part of "civilization"...whole other discussion....basically governments and civilizations are NOT built by charity and volunteerism. A rose by any other name is still "slave labor"...

"Religion" and "politics" do become UNABLE to provide the basics periodically through history. Women might just be more "intuitive" about when the PROCESS of degeneracy begins by the hands of "government" and their shaman spokesmen....in other words, INTELLIGENT and TALENTED women know a base, depraved, and selfish head game when they see it :P See, we AGREE on something - at least in "spirit".

Page 1348 - "....from Mary he (Jesus) derived a broader viewpoint of religious life and a more liberal concept of personal spiritual freedom...."

The complicity of the religions of authority in CREATING the social "soil" for the horror that was the 20th century of "isms" is what has knocked them out of the running for head of spiritual progress for all time.

The authoritarian shaman who can't even think deep enough about what they already believe about God - that God is ETERNAL - to ask the childlike question of "....so what is a "day" in God years?...." before they endlessly twist the "science" of "evolution" to fit into the 7 day story should NOT be allowed to UNEDUCATE us.

It took 500,000 years to get back here to REALITY....The Urantia Book was written for us tadpoles and agondonters, here and now. Deal with it.

Have a great day - it's freezing in the rest of the country!

"immediate execution" of heat needed....

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Posted 16 January 2009 - 07:06 PM

Preventing women from going to school is like radical Islam or something. I would go nuts. All my sisters from church are degreed professionals. When the Urantia Book talks about consideration, I believe they mean helping old ladies across the street, lifting heavy objects for the weaker sex, combat, and otherwise helpful actions that are too difficult for women. My Dad was a hippie feminist and thought it would be a good idea to make me kill my own spiders when I was growing up. I will never forgive him for that. He could have been my hero, but nooooo!!! Are you reading this, Daddykins? Daddykins is a UB reader. You could have been my hero if only you had killed those spiders for me!!!

Anyway, I don’t know how aggression differs from self-assertion, but it must be different by the way they always describe Jesus as aggressive. Jesus was aggressive and Caligastia was self-assertive. I don’t know the difference, but apparently the difference should be worth studying. Jesus became so aggressive probably because of just…machismo. Mary provided the dominating inheritance factor of optimistic, sunshiny good cheer. “…but more often he drove forward in the manner of his mother’s optimistic and determined disposition (1348).”

Jackets? What are they? I went country dancing last night and it was so hot outside that I wore sleeveless and a summer skirt. The sun was baking us like cookies. But I have been wearing my tall winter boots. They are a fashion statement, not really necessary except when I’m in a building that has the air conditioning on too high.
"If woman aspires literally to enjoy all of man's rights, then sooner or later, pitiless and emotionless competition will certainly replace that chivalry and special consideration which many women now enjoy, and which they have so recently won from men (Urantia Book, 938)."

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Posted 17 January 2009 - 10:14 AM

[quote name='Jessica' date='Jan 16 2009, 05:06 PM' post='6623']
Preventing women from going to school is like radical Islam or something.

or something...mass media could UNEDUCATE people, censorship UNEDUCATES people, separating the sexes in "church" UNEDUCATES people - heck, even "schools" are set up to UNEDUCATE people. Page 1349 - "Joseph and Mary were educated far above the average for their day and station in life".

All my sisters from church are degreed professionals.

Just what we need, more "degreed" theologists :P Everybody who is planning on becoming a parent should become a "degreed professional" BEFORE the deed is done - imagine how quickly the world could change for the better. As is, there is NOTHING stopping people from improving themselves as parents, yet so few seem interested in doing it. Guess the "semi-selfish" quality of parenthood takes time to morph into the UNselfish quality - usually the teen age years force the issue :P

When the Urantia Book talks about consideration, I believe they mean helping old ladies across the street, lifting heavy objects for the weaker sex, combat, and otherwise helpful actions that are too difficult for women. My Dad was a hippie feminist and thought it would be a good idea to make me kill my own spiders when I was growing up. I will never forgive him for that. He could have been my hero, but nooooo!!! Are you reading this, Daddykins? Daddykins is a UB reader. You could have been my hero if only you had killed those spiders for me!!!

I believe about 80% of the spiders in Arizona are poisonous, not to mention the scorpions - who killed those? You or Daddy? Did Daddy at least share some clever methods for exterminating pestilence before he sent you off for the hunt? The issue of "combat" is deep and has a long history. Depends where your experiential culture evolves from - basically who your "neighbors" were throughout "history". I think it is safe to assume that the cultures that survived the endless and periodic assault of the degenerate tribes around them did incorporate "grace and charm" thinking into self-defense (Andon and Fonta both had to fight to survive). It's always about having the better weapons. As I mentioned before, it was Madame Curie-Sklodowska who "discovered" the action of radioactivity during her search for a cure for cancer. Basic mano et mano self-defense was something, along with being able to swim a half-mile, that you had to pass the test - in order to receive the Bachelor's degree back when I got mine...still seems like a good idea. As for chivalry, the "common" man never failed to exhibit it - I could trust in it. No comment about the self-proclaimed "uncommon man"....

Anyway, I don’t know how aggression differs from self-assertion, but it must be different by the way they always describe Jesus as aggressive.

The turn of phrase in the UB is "aggressively GOOD" - and in context seems pretty clear what they are talking about - self-forgetful ACTS of goodness as he passed by....

Jesus was aggressive and Caligastia was self-assertive. I don’t know the difference, but apparently the difference should be worth studying.

UB to the rescue - study on...

Jesus became so aggressive probably because of just…machismo.

Now what cultural experience with Mediterranean "machisimo" would a cowgirl in Phoenix have...? Guess winter visitors come from far and wide...? Jesus did not "become" aggressive, he lived "aggressively good" - basically not suffering from passive-aggressive personality disorder (doing nothing when confronted by harassing evil)....that's how he earned his nickname "Master" - Jesus was PERFECT in teaching us how God the Father "feels" about "evil"....something definitely worth studying, I'd say...

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 10:03 AM

"P.1288 - §4 The morontia soul of an evolving mortal is really the son of the Adjuster action of the Universal Father and the child of the cosmic reaction of the Supreme Being, the Universal Mother. The mother influence dominates the human personality throughout the local universe childhood of the growing soul. The influence of the Deity parents becomes more equal after the Adjuster fusion and during the superuniverse career, but when the creatures of time begin the traversal of the central universe of eternity, the Father nature becomes increasingly manifest, attaining its height of finite manifestation upon the recognition of the Universal Father and the admission into the Corps of the Finality."


"P.64 - §1 The Father is not in spiritual hiding, but so many of his creatures have hidden themselves away in the mists of their own willful decisions and for the time being have separated themselves from the communion of his spirit and the spirit of his Son by the choosing of their own perverse ways and by the indulgence of the self-assertiveness of their intolerant minds and unspiritual natures."

P.805 - §0 strength in offensive operations against other peoples for purposes of selfish gain or national aggrandizement? National survival demands preparedness, and religious idealism alone can prevent the prostitution of preparedness into aggression. Only love, brotherhood, can prevent the strong from oppressing the weak.
P.819 - §3 Although these people maintain a powerful war establishment as a defense against invasion by the surrounding hostile peoples, it may be recorded to their credit that they have not in over one hundred years employed these military resources in an offensive war. They have become civilized to that point where they can vigorously defend civilization without yielding to the temptation to utilize their war powers in aggression.

P.1609 - §1 The result upon the public preaching and personal ministry of the apostles was immediate; from that very day their message took on a new note of courageous dominance. The twelve continued to acquire the spirit of positive aggression in the new gospel of the kingdom.

P.885 - §8 This worship of truth was provocative of research and fearless exploration of the laws of nature and the potentials of mankind. The Chinese of even six thousand years ago were still keen students and aggressive in their pursuit of truth.

" They were all greatly cheered by these words; this was their first clearcut and positive intimation that Jesus designed later on to enter upon more aggressive and pretentious public efforts."

COMMENT;

Self Assertion seems wholly negative in UB context and only one positive I found related;

" The Master does not hesitate to refute the religious teachings of today and to declare the new gospel with positive authority. He is assertive, positive, and authoritative"

Aggression/ive seems to be dependent on context and has a clear positive or negative with in.


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Edited by PHIL, 19 January 2009 - 10:05 AM.


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Posted 19 January 2009 - 01:34 PM

P.885 - §8 This worship of truth was provocative of research and fearless exploration of the laws of nature and the potentials of mankind. The Chinese of even six thousand years ago were still keen students and aggressive in their pursuit of truth.

Aggression/ive seems to be dependent on context and has a clear positive or negative with in.


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I had a very strange episode at a "china buffet" restaurant when traveling the other day....from what I could understand, the reason for all the interest by restaurant staff in what the saying was in my fortune cookie (5 of them huddled around my booth to witness the reaading!) was due to the fact that they had switched suppliers - get this - the chinese fortune cookies that they were buying now are made in USA :P

Fortune cookie said:

I hear and I forget.
I see and I remember.
I do and I understand.

There was need for a bit of mime-ing because of language difficulties both ways - but I think that we all, collectively, got the "wisdom" at the end of the lesson.

They did not let me pay for the meal and I played the lottery numbers on the back and won 3 bucks.... :P

Still not sure what that whole episode meant to them, culturally, and I wish I did - obviously, it had more meaning than I am aware of....something about a travelor blowing in, alone, to their establishment 40 minutes before closing must have gotten their attention and it's easier to socialize with a single person than with a couple or family....

But I did "meditate" on how I could never listen to a reading of the UB on a CD player or whatever when negotiating with a car in big city traffic - too much going on - not just walking and chewing at the same time - but also juggling, dodging, maneuvering, braking, being defensive to avoid crashes, diving other minds and their decision to ACT - "oh no he isn't going to pull out in front of me!" , well....you get the point...occassionally you have a sign - "to report aggressive drivers call 800-xxx-xxxx"...

"I do and I understand".

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Posted 19 January 2009 - 07:26 PM

Figuring since my Dad would offer Mr. Spider a beer and tell him to make himself comfortable, I assume the kind that got in the house were not the poisonous kind. Mom killed the scorpions.

Thankyou, Phil. The UB talks about angels being divided into two categories, aggressive and retiring. It never says that angels are self-assertive and retiring. There's obviously a difference between agression and self-assertion. I believe that it is good to aggressively hunt for a job when I'm unemployed. But it's a bad thing to boss everyone around at work when I'm not the boss (self-assertive). I avoid TV and movies because nobody in Hollywood seems to know the difference between positive aggression and self-assertion. Bad role models.

I figured out why it is that we have been given a book instead of a Son as our 5th epochal revelation. WE’RE BARBARIANS!!! Look at the cruel and unusual death that our Bestowal Son received. Divine Sons are usually accorded a nice reception. We may never have another flesh and blood Son volunteer to come to this barbaric place. They’ll probably just give us another book for the 6th epochal revelation too. The magisterial son will just send us a book. The teacher sons will just send us a book. Jesus’ second coming will just be a book. On other planets they have all these Divine Sons of all orders, but here on Urantia we’ll just have this big library full of books.

You’re right, Nameless. The media is used to unenlighten women. There’s nothing but images of women doing kung fu in the media. This is where I personally believe feminists practice self-assertion and self-liberty. The UB says that in a civilized society women cease to fight. “…and women long ago ceased to fight, though they have always fed and nursed the soldiers and urged them on to battle (785).” The Urantia says women are designed to get smaller and weaker the more they evolve. “Among the more advanced races, women are not so large or so strong as men (934).” Feminists say the opposite. Feminists will consider it progress when all women look like John Goodman. (They’ll be very attractive to Margaret Cho) I'm exaggerating, of course, but some feminists do believe that being equal means being physically strong as a man. They just can't seem to grasp the concept of equality all the while being smaller and weaker. They don't understand that we women were designed by the creator to be differential as well as equal.
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Posted 20 January 2009 - 09:08 AM

Hi Jessica;

you wrote;

"I figured out why it is that we have been given a book instead of a Son as our 5th epochal revelation. WE’RE BARBARIANS!!! Look at the cruel and unusual death that our Bestowal Son received"

Reply;

And after Ghandi and Dr King they new a wise choice was made :P

you wrote

"You’re right, Nameless. The media is used to unenlighten women. There’s nothing but images of women doing kung fu in the media. This is where I personally believe feminists practice self-assertion and self-liberty."

and

'I avoid TV and movies because nobody in Hollywood seems to know the difference between positive aggression and self-assertion. '

reply;

I see women in the media more so for selling products or themselves with sexuality and a touch of Kung Fu

BUT in the movies and TV you may have missed THEY have plenty of assertive Women who kick some butt.

In Video Games also but to be honest in the Media there is some 'positive' aggressive Women role models who also display

their femininity with confidence to balance it off somewhat.

I work for a Women who is good at running her company and Managing her personnel and being a Women

and embracing her femininity even in the Construction Business in the South dealing with Rich 'good ole boys.'


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Posted 21 January 2009 - 12:53 PM

Not sure where either Phil or Jessica are going - hard to comprehend what is bugging both of you with regards to male and female....Lucifer's Manifesto is discussed adequately in the UB....it's not difficult to understand that Cal et Dal get head-spin-360 INSANE with hate at an "Eve" who they can't manipulate....simple.

If you really want to do some thinking about "stuff" - this is the question I ask myself when assaulted by human "creations" - WHY does this exist?

It then becomes clear how little the "stuff" that is of eternal value will be held in safety until the Sea of Glass landing - if you believe THAT whole "revelation" in the UB...

I do not presume to proscribe and define what it IS to be in male form. Seems like common courtesy for the man to grant a woman that same "freedom" to be who she is.

Basic problem in Occidental civilization today is that woman are completely focused on competing for a man and it's noted in the UB and other sources - like Karol Wojtila's book called "Love and Responsibility" - that women who spend all their energy on pleasing the man, or worse, just trying to survive their physical brutality, are NOT going to be good mothers. Truth hurts, deal with it.

When people frothed and thundered against Pope John Paul II among the UB "readership" for the 20+ years that he was the Pope - "have no fear" was his trade mark message to youth - I think it's SAFE to assume that the UB does nothing to improve a UB reader's ability to smell spiritual fragrance....

Lucifer does not believe there is anyone out there (GOD) beyond Michael of Nebadon....and since nothing that "INSPIRED" (?) men on Urantia wrote in their "holy" books has changed Lucifer's or Cal's or Dal's "mind" about GOD being real, it doesn't take BRILLIANCE to figure out that any follower of Jesus who sheds the occasional light on GOD's love would get hammered with more psycho logic projection, self assertion, UB quoting out of context :P and god-knows-what-else that "worked" against us tadpoles in the 500,000 years that they've been at it - especially on an - ahem - "religious" discussion bored....

Imagine if "Eve" had not gone along with Cal's "plan" - his HATE would make the Martha Stewart tar and feathering appear like the nasty "popular" girls in high school had their fun - inspired, of course, by the assertive strategy of the "men"....

You are either going to be a good mother, or not. Knowing how to split atoms or decipher DNA is NOT going to make you a BAD mother...

Ironic that men seem limited to believe in the "god" that they concocted (not hard to have "visions" when dehydrating in the desert wilderness) instead of in the GOD that really is....indeed truth is "relative" to the ability and choice of the person who is in search of it....

Page 1305 - "Nevertheless, the Father as a person may at any time interpose a fatherly hand in the stream of cosmic events all in accordance with the will of God and in consonance with the wisdom of God and as motivated by the love of God."

Here's something to try, Jessica, as a head game. You are NOT telling me what's wrong with expressions of "womanliness", you are telling God that you know better than He does about the individual personality. You are being a budinsky, Jessica, and clearly motivated for your own personal gain in THIS world - not that that's a bad thing, it's just not "religion"...."religion" is not the study of "jessica", "phil" or "nuf"....

People all over are walking off their jobs - they just can't compromise with THAT insane level of evil. And those who are pouncing on the vacancies are incompetant, or worse.

So that's how "london bridge" is falling down, falling down....once you stop believing in the existence of "bacteria", the "bacteria" kill you....nothing to do with "feminists" :P

wassup with the peanut butter - who did not wash up correctly - "saving" water....?

Edited by nameless until fused, 21 January 2009 - 01:11 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2009 - 01:38 PM

Hi Nuff;

I don't see any of your creations 'ON THIS FORUM' landing on the Sea of Glass or Ideas used by the Supreme Being

but some of the creations by MALE French Chefs might make it and the thoughts and Ideals of Ghandi,MLK

AND OTHER GREAT AND SPIRITUAL MEN.

I can't think of any Women right now but there must be 1 or so.

NOW SERIOUSLY;

I do not intend for my lack of cognitive expression[as you called it] to cause

you to post is such negative and attention drawing[even if it is positive] sarcasm.

I know with experience even if you are content with the wit and the astuteness

of your points and thinking: it is only a fleeting High and a spiritual drain in the end.

I truly enjoy your wit and observations and if I am wrong and this type post

brings you joy, bring them on.

One question;

Where do you put yourself between the Man hunting and serving 'Women' and the Women abusing and oppressing 'Men'?

And whats wrong with my 75 year old Mother who believes in that God created by the Desert Drunk Men

and she also Respects the Pope? okay that was 2 questions.


PHIL

PS;

To answer your question I was expressing my Ideas about self assertion and added since you and Jessica

shared your views/experiences on Men and Woman I shared some of mine.















Not sure where either Phil or Jessica are going - hard to comprehend what is bugging both of you with regards to male and female....Lucifer's Manifesto is discussed adequately in the UB....it's not difficult to understand that Cal et Dal get head-spin-360 INSANE with hate at an "Eve" who they can't manipulate....simple.

If you really want to do some thinking about "stuff" - this is the question I ask myself when assaulted by human "creations" - WHY does this exist?

It then becomes clear how little the "stuff" that is of eternal value will be held in safety until the Sea of Glass landing - if you believe THAT whole "revelation" in the UB...

I do not presume to proscribe and define what it IS to be in male form. Seems like common courtesy for the man to grant a woman that same "freedom" to be who she is.

Basic problem in Occidental civilization today is that woman are completely focused on competing for a man and it's noted in the UB and other sources - like Karol Wojtila's book called "Love and Responsibility" - that women who spend all their energy on pleasing the man, or worse, just trying to survive their physical brutality, are NOT going to be good mothers. Truth hurts, deal with it.

When people frothed and thundered against Pope John Paul II among the UB "readership" for the 20+ years that he was the Pope - "have no fear" was his trade mark message to youth - I think it's SAFE to assume that the UB does nothing to improve a UB reader's ability to smell spiritual fragrance....

Lucifer does not believe there is anyone out there (GOD) beyond Michael of Nebadon....and since nothing that "INSPIRED" (?) men on Urantia wrote in their "holy" books has changed Lucifer's or Cal's or Dal's "mind" about GOD being real, it doesn't take BRILLIANCE to figure out that any follower of Jesus who sheds the occasional light on GOD's love would get hammered with more psycho logic projection, self assertion, UB quoting out of context :P and god-knows-what-else that "worked" against us tadpoles in the 500,000 years that they've been at it - especially on an - ahem - "religious" discussion bored....

Imagine if "Eve" had not gone along with Cal's "plan" - his HATE would make the Martha Stewart tar and feathering appear like the nasty "popular" girls in high school had their fun - inspired, of course, by the assertive strategy of the "men"....

You are either going to be a good mother, or not. Knowing how to split atoms or decipher DNA is NOT going to make you a BAD mother...

Ironic that men seem limited to believe in the "god" that they concocted (not hard to have "visions" when dehydrating in the desert wilderness) instead of in the GOD that really is....indeed truth is "relative" to the ability and choice of the person who is in search of it....

Page 1305 - "Nevertheless, the Father as a person may at any time interpose a fatherly hand in the stream of cosmic events all in accordance with the will of God and in consonance with the wisdom of God and as motivated by the love of God."

Here's something to try, Jessica, as a head game. You are NOT telling me what's wrong with expressions of "womanliness", you are telling God that you know better than He does about the individual personality. You are being a budinsky, Jessica, and clearly motivated for your own personal gain in THIS world - not that that's a bad thing, it's just not "religion"...."religion" is not the study of "jessica", "phil" or "nuf"....

People all over are walking off their jobs - they just can't compromise with THAT insane level of evil. And those who are pouncing on the vacancies are incompetant, or worse.

So that's how "london bridge" is falling down, falling down....once you stop believing in the existence of "bacteria", the "bacteria" kill you....nothing to do with "feminists" :P

wassup with the peanut butter - who did not wash up correctly - "saving" water....?


Edited by PHIL, 21 January 2009 - 01:45 PM.


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Posted 21 January 2009 - 03:04 PM

Hi Nuff;

I don't see any of your creations 'ON THIS FORUM' landing on the Sea of Glass or Ideas used by the Supreme Being


I was thinking about ghost movies and video games....why do they exist?

Seems to me that unless women unite to PERFECT how they raise and educate their children to have well-balanced personalities and ethical PUBLIC characters, there won’t be any progress.

The story of Herodias in the UB (Page 1508) is a rather extreme example of bad mothering. Herodias was so insulted by John the Baptist that in order to get him, she was willing to prostitute her own daughter's "talents" to achieve revenge.

While I am not Herodias in temperament, I think it wise to note when a line is being crossed, even when the person crossing the line thinks that they are being subtle about it - or "righteous".

That’s why I think a rule #10 is needed on UB discussion forums. A rule #11 seems to be in the works since using “providence” as discussed in the UB to note that a person is not all-that has morphed overnight. Make a rule and – poof – someone finds a way around it – go figure.

There are currently many women serving in specialized services in the military of the USA. I cannot sit by and watch quotes from the UB be paraded out to put the servicewomen down because the ladies might have learned mano et mano self-defense techniques. EVERYBODY has the right to defend themselves. The more level the playing field, the less likely will mano et mano fighting be the first choice of those seeking to win a “war” of, ironically enough, “spiritual” superiority.

It might be time to back off from 'nuf-bashing. I’ve know many women in life who would be inspired to plot something as extreme as what Herodias come up with to get John the Baptist. You don’t know where someone's line is, trust me. Stick to figuring out God more than figuring out what’s wrong with me or any other female UB reader. My soul is in God’s keeping. You should trust God, himself, to keep your soul safe. I hear God is competent.

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Posted 21 January 2009 - 03:45 PM

Deleted post myself as value was little

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