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#1 Bill Urantia

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 01:43 PM

Friends,

I have been wondering just what was happening on Urantia from the between time of Andon and Fonta and the arrival of the Prince's staff. That is about a half million years. What were we humans doing with our lives? The text states that Andon was at least as intelligent as the average man of today.

Did anyone else ever wonder about this?

Bill,
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Posted 28 November 2007 - 08:22 AM

OK, Let us approach this from the back side. If man led a tribal life, much like the Amerinds in North America, for the first 500,000 years, does this mean all progress stems from the arrival of the prince and his staff?

Was this period solely a time of jungle law culling the species in preparation for the arrival of the Universe administration?

Curious.

Bill,
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We are still dependant on fire as our major source of energy. (One of the snide remarks by the revelators). Andon figured this out almost immediately. Has man gone downhill intellectually ever since?


Friends,

I have been wondering just what was happening on Urantia from the between time of Andon and Fonta and the arrival of the Prince's staff. That is about a half million years. What were we humans doing with our lives? The text states that Andon was at least as intelligent as the average man of today.

Did anyone else ever wonder about this?

Bill,
Faith son


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Posted 28 November 2007 - 11:31 AM

To those of you reading along,

Here is are a few paragraphs from "Paper 63 - THE FIRST HUMAN FAMILY", page 715:

"5. DISPERSION OF THE ANDONITES

"The early Andon races did not penetrate very far into Asia, and they did not at first enter Africa. The geography of those times pointed them north, and farther and farther north these people journeyed until they were hindered by the slowly advancing ice of the third glacier.

"Before this extensive ice sheet reached France and the British Isles, the descendants of Andon and Fonta had pushed on westward over Europe and had established more than one thousand separate settlements along the great rivers leading to the then warm waters of the North Sea.

"These Andonic tribes were the early river dwellers of France; they lived along the river Somme for tens of thousands of years. The Somme is the one river unchanged by the glaciers, running down to the sea in those days much as it does today. And that explains why so much evidence of the Andonic descendants is found along the course of this river valley.

"These aborigines of Urantia were not tree dwellers, though in emergencies they still betook themselves to the treetops. They regularly dwelt under the shelter of overhanging cliffs along the rivers and in hillside grottoes which afforded a good view of the approaches and sheltered them from the elements. They could thus enjoy the comfort of their fires without being too much inconvenienced by the smoke. They were not really cave dwellers either, though in subsequent times the later ice sheets came farther south and drove their descendants to the caves. They preferred to camp near the edge of a forest and beside a stream.

"They very early became remarkably clever in disguising their partially sheltered abodes and showed great skill in constructing stone sleeping chambers, dome-shaped stone huts, into which they crawled at night. The entrance to such a hut was closed by rolling a stone in front of it, a large stone which had been placed inside for this purpose before the roof stones were finally put in place.

"The Andonites were fearless and successful hunters and, with the exception of wild berries and certain fruits of the trees, lived exclusively on flesh. As Andon had invented the stone ax, so his descendants early discovered and made effective use of the throwing stick and the harpoon. At last a tool-creating mind was functioning in conjunction with an implement-using hand, and these early humans became highly skillful in the fashioning of flint tools. They traveled far and wide in search of flint, much as present-day humans journey to the ends of the earth in quest of gold, platinum, and diamonds.

"And in many other ways these Andon tribes manifested a degree of intelligence which their retrogressing descendants did not attain in half a million years, though they did again and again rediscover various methods of kindling fire."

Meredith

OK, Let us approach this from the back side. If man led a tribal life, much like the Amerinds in North America, for the first 500,000 years, does this mean all progress stems from the arrival of the prince and his staff?

Was this period solely a time of jungle law culling the species in preparation for the arrival of the Universe administration?

Curious.

Bill,
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We are still dependant on fire as our major source of energy. (One of the snide remarks by the revelators). Andon figured this out almost immediately. Has man gone downhill intellectually ever since?



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Posted 29 November 2007 - 10:14 AM

Does this mean that mankind degenerated over this 500,000 year time span?

"And in many other ways these Andon tribes manifested a degree of intelligence which their retrogressing descendants did not attain in half a million years, though they did again and again rediscover various methods of kindling fire."


Was this a time of physical development in exchange for intellectual progress?

If this was the case, the need for a culling of the species was a definate reason for the Universe Rulers to take some positive action.

From the revealed history of Urantia, the only positive uplift came from the debauchery of the Prince's staff, and not from any implemented program.

Any comments?

Bill,
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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:14 PM

You ask for comments, but all I can think of doing is going to the book to see what it says. I guess if there were a straightforward answer to your questions, someone would jump up and tell us. History has its zigs and it has its zags. 500,000 years is a long time. A lot of history in there. The Sangiks family came around about the time of the Planetary Prince (see page 722), but prior to that there were other notable tribes mentioned in the book: the Foxhall peoples, the Badonan tribes, the Neanderthal races. To read more about these peoples, go to Paper 64, page 718:


"PAPER 64 - THE EVOLUTIONARY RACES OF COLOR

This is the story of the evolutionary races of Urantia from the days of Andon and Fonta, almost one million years ago, down through the times of the Planetary Prince to the end of the ice age.

"The human race is almost one million years old, and the first half of its story roughly corresponds to the pre-Planetary Prince days of Urantia. The latter half of the history of mankind begins at the time of the arrival of the Planetary Prince and the appearance of the six colored races and roughly corresponds to the period commonly regarded as the Old Stone Age.

"1. THE ANDONIC ABORIGINES

"Primitive man made his evolutionary appearance on earth a little less than one million years ago, and he had a vigorous experience. He instinctively sought to escape the danger of mingling with the inferior simian tribes. But he could not migrate eastward because of the arid Tibetan land elevations, 30,000 feet above sea level; neither could he go south nor west because of the expanded Mediterranean Sea, which then extended eastward to the Indian Ocean; and as he went north, he encountered the advancing ice. But even when further migration was blocked by the ice, and though the dispersing tribes became increasingly hostile, the more intelligent groups never entertained the idea of going southward to live among their hairy tree-dwelling cousins of inferior intellect.

"Many of man's earliest religious emotions grew out of his feeling of helplessness in the shut-in environment of this geographic situation--mountains to the right, water to the left, and ice in front. But these progressive Andonites would not turn back to their inferior tree-dwelling relatives in the south.

"These Andonites avoided the forests in contrast with the habits of their nonhuman relatives. In the forests man has always deteriorated; human evolution has made progress only in the open and in the higher latitudes. The cold and hunger of the open lands stimulate action, invention, and resourcefulness. While these Andonic tribes were developing the pioneers of the present human race amidst the hardships and privations of these rugged northern climes, their backward cousins were luxuriating in the southern tropical forests of the land of their early common origin.

"These events occurred during the times of the third glacier, the first according to the reckoning of geologists. The first two glaciers were not extensive in northern Europe.

"During most of the ice age England was connected by land with France, while later on Africa was joined to Europe by the Sicilian land bridge. At the
Page 719 time of the Andonic migrations there was a continuous land path from England in the west on through Europe and Asia to Java in the east; but Australia was again isolated, which further accentuated the development of its own peculiar fauna.

"950,000 years ago the descendants of Andon and Fonta had migrated far to the east and to the west. To the west they passed over Europe to France and England. In later times they penetrated eastward as far as Java, where their bones were so recently found--the so-called Java man--and then journeyed on to Tasmania."

And there is much more.

Happy reading,
Meredith

Does this mean that mankind degenerated over this 500,000 year time span?



Was this a time of physical development in exchange for intellectual progress?

If this was the case, the need for a culling of the species was a definate reason for the Universe Rulers to take some positive action.

From the revealed history of Urantia, the only positive uplift came from the debauchery of the Prince's staff, and not from any implemented program.

Any comments?

Bill,
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Posted 01 December 2007 - 12:26 PM

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 07:35 PM

Rob,

This is excellent substantiation of the text.

Interesting that an Adamsonite should have made the discovery. This would seem to indicate that prior to this bronze had not been invented. It also puts invention in the hands of a descendant of Adam rather than an Andonite or Sangik.

The earliest known bronze is traced to 4500 BCE in Thailand. This would mean the Turkistan discovery predated that. This still does not give us a great deal of technology prior to 6500 BCE to be generous.

It does not look as if Dalmatia provided much of lasting value.

Bill,
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Here is a bit of historical information some may find interesting.



The Adamsonites as defined in the Urantia Book are a group of peoples that established some of the earliest civilizations in the Turkistan (ancient Anatolia) and the Zargos mountains. They were the ancestors of the Hittites, who were decedents of these earlier Indo-Aryans and other groups of people, who built such civilization as Urartru, etc.

The Urantia Book (1934/35 and 1955) states that a major center of civilization was established by this group, and that there were sources of tin which they mined. At that time in 1955, as far as I can tell from research to date, this was not an accepted belief in the archeological community.

The following quotation is taken from The Hittites: and their Contemporaries in Asia Minor, by Macqueen, J. G., first published in 1975:



It is clear, from the quote above, that at the time there was no known source of tin in the Turkistan/Anatolian area, and that it posed a problem.

This book was initially published prior to some major archeological discoveries that have rewritten our knowledge of the area. The following is stated in the 2001 revised and enlarged edition:



Here is a brief quote of the archeologist who discovered the Kestel/Goltöpe mining complexes in Turkistan, or what is now referred to as Anatolia:


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 07:51 PM

Does this mean that mankind degenerated over this 500,000 year time span?

Was this a time of physical development in exchange for intellectual progress?
If this was the case, the need for a culling of the species was a definite reason for the Universe Rulers to take some positive action.

From the revealed history of Urantia, the only positive uplift came from the debauchery of the Prince's staff, and not from any implemented program.



Hi faith son—it’s a bit simplistic to perhaps view our pre-history as physical versus intellectual development—when the time down to the Adamic arrival 30,000 years ago is described as “very dark” or non-intellectual.

After—and simultaneously with this event—the Life carrier-program certainly appears to be implemented.

Consequently--despite the default, and despite the continued admixing—[which I believe gives proper concern of the need for disenfranchisement]—we still have a strong thread running through us.

Note the attributes accorded in the following:
(i)Adam left a great intellectual and spiritual culture behind him

(ii)the naturally evolving cultural capacities of the violet race.

(iii)… the art and genius of these latter people is a direct legacy of the posterity of Adamson, the first son of Adam and Eve, and his extraordinary second wife, a daughter descended in an unbroken line from the pure Nodite staff of Prince Caligastia.

(iv)the culture of the Adamsonite forerunners of the Greeks.

(v)
The normal man should be fostered; he is the backbone of civilization and the source of the mutant geniuses of the race. The subnormal man should be kept under society's control; no more should be produced than are required to administer the lower levels of industry, those tasks requiring intelligence above the animal level but making such low-grade demands as to prove veritable slavery and bondage for the higher types of mankind.[p.771]

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This is the story of the evolutionary races of Urantia from the days of Andon and Fonta, almost one million years ago…

The latter half of the history of mankind begins at the time of the arrival of the Planetary Prince and the appearance of the six colored races:


RED:
…a great civilization would have been built upon the North American continent by these able and intelligent red men.

YELLOW:
The yellow man...were somewhat inferior to the red man, but socially and collectively they proved themselves superior to all of the Sangik peoples in the matter of fostering racial civilization.
[This race received a small but potent legacy of the later imported Adamic stock]


BLUE:
The blue man had the brain power of the red man associated with the soul and sentiment of the yellow man.
[The Adamic descendants preferred them to all of the later persisting colored races.]


In general and to start with, the Sangik tribes were …in most ways far superior …the mingling of these Sangik tribes with the Neanderthal peoples led to the immediate improvement of the older race



The Andonites were early taught the golden rule, and, even today, their Eskimo descendants live very much by that code; custom is strong among them, and they are fairly free from violent antagonisms.


Adam and Eve introduced no art of civilization foreign to the progress of human society, but the Adamic blood did augment the inherent ability of the races and did accelerate the pace of economic development and industrial progression.

Adam's bestowal improved the brain power of the races, thereby greatly hastening the processes of natural evolution.




All we need to do then as 'brainy people' is to ensure mediocrities dont continue as power-merchants...when we wish to
utilise the normal person...[not much evolution in killing your intelligent youth in illegal adventure--only a pathological condition would allow such continuance]...

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 11:12 AM

Friends,

I have been wondering just what was happening on Urantia from the between time of Andon and Fonta and the arrival of the Prince's staff. That is about a half million years. What were we humans doing with our lives? The text states that Andon was at least as intelligent as the average man of today.

Did anyone else ever wonder about this?

Bill,
Faith son


Hello Bill

There is one paragraph that says something about the maximums in the evolution of that experimental race, the Andonites.
P.714 - §3 The original Andonic clan maintained an unbroken line of leadership until the twenty-seventh generation, when, no male offspring appearing among Sontad's direct descendants(maximum, a peak reaction of the Supreme), two rival would-be rulers of the clan fell to fighting for supremacy.

If we look at the word Supremacy.

P.6 - §2 ..while increasingly experiential Deity(The Supreme Being) is being actualized on the divinity levels of Supremacy, Ultimacy, and Absoluteness.
Supremacy is a maximum level of growth in the Superuniverses and when a maximum is reached(in a specific aspect) then unavoidable a decline comes(in all aspects that would be light and life), so we can infer, and this is only my personal opinion, that the observation until full maturity (the actualization of all those potentials inherent in that type of experimental race) of the Andonites was necessary, that must at least one of the reasons why the Prince was not sent straightaway, I am sure that many of the facts discovered will be used in future planets in Nebadon.

When the Sangik family came (in the line of evolution) then other potentials were just ready to be actualized and the six races came to be. I will be repeating myself a lot with this paragraph so bear with me. The struggle just goes on and on.
P.1284 - §7 The great struggle of this universe age is between the potential and the actual--the seeking for actualization by all that is as yet unexpressed.

It will be interesting to see what kind of potentials came to be after and before the 500 years, e.g. The Adamite blood was not a potential for the Andonite race when alone, but it was for the all the races after the six races came to be.

Bye
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Posted 04 December 2007 - 09:06 PM

'U-rantian'-you really should invest in a dictionary--the assumption you have given to the below--can only be applied as
the contest between the rivals--would create a single ruler--ie he would be supreme of the tribe.

That has nothing to do with--biological potentials or life-plasm.

Even the second use of 'supremacy' as biological is not the same:

But the establishment of life on no world is ever experimental in the sense that something untried and unknown is attempted.
The evolution of life is a technique ever progressive, differential, and variable, but never haphazard, uncontrolled, nor wholly experimental, in the accidental sense.


Evolutionary potential seems guaranteed--despite the "theoretical" problems:



At the time Adam was chosen to come to Urantia, he was employed, with his mate, in the trial-and-testing physical laboratories of Jerusem.

For more than fifteen thousand years they had been directors of the division of experimental energy as applied to the modification of living forms.

Long before this they had been teachers in the citizenship schools for new arrivals on Jerusem.

And all this should be borne in mind in connection with the narration of their subsequent conduct on Urantia.



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Posted 05 December 2007 - 11:16 AM

Hello Robert
OK. I will get one.
Thanks
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Posted 15 January 2008 - 02:54 PM

Dear U-rantian, adelfo, Bill Urantia, Bill Martin, Meredith, Nigel, Rob Reno, Seraphic_Park, and all,

How rude to be told you need a dictionary, U-rantian.

I believe that one person is responsible for bringing this Forum almost to an abrupt halt in posting. That member is no longer a member.

I would hope to see more members come forth with new topics that stimulate other members to begin again. My attempts to start new topics is just meant to find members that will come up with better ones. I am not the expert here.

All of you are. So....?


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