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#1 John Anngeister

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Posted 06 June 2007 - 10:39 PM

Last night our study group looked at the Midwayer history of the ascension and the events surrounding the coming of ?the Comforter,? the Spirit of Truth. We are near the end of a truncated reading of Part IV. (At my request we had started over a year ago with the ordination of the apostles so we could more quickly get into ?the mission? as it paralleled the New Testament.)

We have a new member who is also a new reader, aged 50 or so, the daughter of a member. She joined us just prior to the Mount of Transfiguration and her knowledge of the New Testament was minimal, so we have gotten into a fair amount of back-filling and explanation. I have discovered several new views and insights from reading with this intelligent first-timer.

Last night we took a short break after the Introduction to Paper 194, and our first-timer brought to light a paradox of the Pentecost story that I had only seen in one dimension. The revelators teach plainly that the apostles had on that day begun to mistakenly substitute a new religion about Jesus in the place of the gospel Jesus taught and lived. But I had not stood back far enough to see the oddity -

that the Apostolic group made this crucial ERROR on the very day they received the Spirit of TRUTH.

This led us to some wrestling with the problem of what truth and error mean in spiritual terms. From the story it seems clear that Christ?s Spirit of Truth - the ?leader into all truth? of both the gospel fellowship and the world - is clearly not a guarantor against human fallibility in points of doctrine. What kind of Truth are we dealing with, then?

I think Peter?s error on that day was plainly the work of Peter himself and did not come by the inspiration of the Spirit of Truth. Yet Peter was no doubt inspired by the Spirit. That is, the work of the Spirit that day was not unsuccessful and without issue. It is no small matter that the basis of the gospel fellowship was established forever in an experience of the reality of the risen Lord. The problem is, that is not the kernel of the gospel of the spiritual kingdom. Peter was inspired, but he was not inspired to preserve the purity of the gospel. Peter?s experience led to error because it became coupled to an interpretation that acquired doctrinal status and has presumed to take pride of place over the simple truth of the gospel ever since.

We can tell the revelators desire to let them off the hook, in respect of their ?spiritual joy, security, and confidence. This new consciousness of spiritual strength was immediately followed by a strong urge to go out and publicly proclaim the gospel of the kingdom and the good news that Jesus had risen from the dead? (2059)

We read taht they made this gaff ?unintentionally ... unwittingly? (2059)

We are assured, ?It is not strange ... it is not difficult to understand ... ? (2059)

?These men had been trained and instructed that the gospel which they should preach was the fatherhood of God and the sonship of man, but at just this moment of spiritual ecstacy and personal triumph, the best tidings, the greatest news, these men could think of was the fact of the risen Master. ... they unintentionally stumbled into the error of substituting some of the facts associated with the gospel for the gospel message itself. ... Christianity, as it developed from that day, is: the fact of God as the Father of the Lord Jesus Christ, in association with the experience of believer-fellowship with the risen and glorified Christ.?
(2059)

I?m sure we must be dealing here with a higher meaning of the word ?truth,? one which has not so much to do with second-hand facts of interpretation and knowledge, but with first-hand facts of experience and faith. Or something.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 11:23 AM

108:2.3 Thus is the stage of the human mind set for the reception of Adjusters, but as a general rule they do not immediately appear to indwell such minds except on those worlds where the Spirit of truth is functioning as a spiritual co-ordinator of these different spirit ministries. If this spirit of the bestowal Sons is present, the Adjusters unfailingly come the instant the seventh adjutant mind-spirit begins to function and signalizes to the Universe Mother Spirit that it has achieved in potential the co-ordination of the associated six adjutants of prior ministry to such a mortal intellect. Therefore have the divine Adjusters been universally bestowed upon all normal minds of moral status on Urantia ever since the day of pentecost.

fortunately for the apostles, jesus came to this world.

[size=2]Last night our study group looked at the Midwayer history of the ascension and the events surrounding the coming of ?the Comforter,? the Spirit of Truth. We are near the end of a truncated reading of Part IV. (At my request we had started over a year ago with the ordination of the apostles so we could more quickly get into ?the mission? as it paralleled the New Testament.)

We have a new member who is also a new reader, aged 50 or so, the daughter of a member. She joined us just prior to the Mount of Transfiguration and her knowledge of the New Testament was minimal, so we have gotten into a fair amount of back-filling and explanation. I have discovered several new views and insights from reading with this intelligent first-timer.

Last night we took a short break after the Introduction to Paper 194, and our first-timer brought to light a paradox of the Pentecost story that I had only seen in one dimension. The revelators teach plainly that the apostles had on that day begun to mistakenly substitute a new religion about Jesus in the place of the gospel Jesus taught and lived. But I had not stood back far enough to see the oddity -



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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:03 PM

You know, it is very hard to get people to focus in upon the very essence of the Gospel of Jesus. It seem that the folks I associate with crave to make the Gospel overloaded with all the side practices and supplemental theologies that have become hitched upon two thousand years of Paulian Christianity.

That is why I have come to agree with TUB - I am a Jesusonian!!

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 11:40 PM

"that the Apostolic group made this crucial ERROR on the very day they received the Spirit of TRUTH."

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I'm sure we must be dealing here with a higher meaning of the word "truth", one which has not so much to do with second-hand facts of interpretation and knowledge, but with first-hand facts of experience and faith. Or something.


In paper 101, I was surprised to find truth described as a former technique of personality assurance:

"Increasingly throughout the morontia progression the assurance of truth replaces the assurance of faith. When you are finally mustered into the actual spirit world, then will the assurances of pure spirit insight operate in the place of faith and truth or, rather, in conjunction with, and superimposed upon, these former techniques of personality assurance." (1111.4) 101:5.14


What does this (surprising!) view of truth (and faith) imply about the nature and purpose of Michael as Spirit of Truth? In that same paper, the author also explains how truth "is made accessible...":

"[ ... ]. Truth is made accessible to the wisdom-endowed individual by the bestowal on such a mind of the spirits of the Father and the Sons, the Thought Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth." (1111.8) 101:6.4


These two brief thoughts really got me wondering about truth. Please help -- anyone got insight?

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 08:04 AM

I think the quotes are self-evident. What is it that you don't understand or want elaboration on Nigel? I'm at a loss.

We here, on this lowly plane of mortal existence, must rely on the assurance of faith unless we, with the grace of spiritual insight, begin to break through the barriers to the superconscious and thus begin to exist at the soul level where we experience the assurance of truth.

Truth is a person, remember? He is always accessible as a personality experience. I wrote pages and pages about the presence of God which is somewhere on this forum. I put it all down as best I could. Is there something lacking?

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 11:31 AM

Dear Bonita,

"... and thus begin to exist at the soul level where we experience the assurance of truth."


Over some splendid pages in these two threads, One word at a time and Personality Assurance/, you unfold your experience and understanding of a revelation's worth of truth. Once again, many thanks! For your next exercise, can you bridge such revelation over to the framework of concept that defines and supports 21st century humanist philosophy?

but only if you have a spare moment (or two!) :)
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Posted 03 March 2012 - 12:12 PM

Arrrrrgh! Humanist philosophy is my biggest bugaboo, after end-of-the-world bubbameisters, that is. Don't make me go there . . . I'll get kicked off the forum. I do not support 21st century humanist philosophy; I abhor it. It's one of the biggest hindrances to religious progress on this planet.

Humanism is an approach in study, philosophy,world view or practice that focuses on human values and concerns, attaching prime importance to human rather than divine or supernatural matters. (wikipedia)

Here, read these:


99.5.1 Religion has always been a conservator of morals and a stabilizer of society. And this is still true, notwithstanding the contrary teaching of many modern socialists and humanists.
103.5.3 All men recognize the morality of this universal human urge to be unselfish and altruistic. The humanist ascribes the origin of this urge to the natural working of the material mind; the religionist more correctly recognizes that the truly unselfish drive of mortal mind is in response to the inner spirit leadings of the Thought Adjuster.


195.7.19 Mechanists — humanists — tend to drift with the material currents. Idealists and spiritists dare to use their oars with intelligence and vigor in order to modify the apparently purely material course of the energy streams.

99.4.9 Transition is always accompanied by confusion, and there will be little tranquillity in the religious world until the great struggle between the three contending philosophies of religion is ended: 1. The spiritistic belief (in a providential Deity) of many religions. 2. The humanistic and idealistic belief of many philosophies. 3. The mechanistic and naturalistic conceptions of many sciences.

102.3.2 Religious speculation is inevitable but always detrimental; speculation invariably falsifies its object. Speculation tends to translate religion into something material or humanistic, and thus, while directly interfering with the clarity of logical thought, it indirectly causes religion to appear as a function of the temporal world, the very world with which it should everlastingly stand in contrast.

102.7.4 True, many apparently religious traits can grow out of nonreligious roots. Man can, intellectually, deny God and yet be morally good, loyal, filial, honest, and even idealistic. Man may graft many purely humanistic branches onto his basic spiritual nature and thus apparently prove his contentions in behalf of a godless religion, but such an experience is devoid of survival values, God-knowingness and God-ascension. In such a mortal experience only social fruits are forthcoming, not spiritual. The graft determines the nature of the fruit, notwithstanding that the living sustenance is drawn from the roots of original divine endowment of both mind and spirit.

195.8.3 At the time of this revelation, the prevailing intellectual and philosophical climate of both European and American life is decidedly secular — humanistic. For three hundred years Western thinking has been progressively secularized. Religion has become more and more a nominal influence, largely a ritualistic exercise. The majority of professed Christians of Western civilization are unwittingly actual secularists.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:14 PM

Hi Bonita,


For your next exercise, can you bridge such revelation over to the framework
of concept that defines and supports 21st century humanist philosophy?


Arrrrrgh! Humanist philosophy is my biggest bugaboo, ...


Excellent! Then you can see what a valuable exercise this could prove to be?

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:07 AM

IMO Many attempts at humanism start with the initial assumption that divine value's, spiritual truth's, and god cannot be known, and in many instance's people will go so far as to say that no truth can be known and all reality is subjective :wacko: . There for in these eye's we are better off attempting character building, instead of character growth as which jesus taught.

I don't see any of this changing either, untill the Urantia Book becomes world famous. Revelation is the only avenue for humans to avoid all of this confusion, I do not see any way around that. Barring a superhuman visitation. I wonder as the current reader's begin to comprehend all of these matter's in the u.b that in some way this comprehension may affect the collective thought stream of mankind though, and help the book.

Edited by boomshuka, 18 March 2012 - 12:15 AM.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:10 AM

Excellent! Then you can see what a valuable exercise this could prove to be?


No, not at all . . . if you really do believe that this is a worthy exercise, I believe that you should initiate it. Certainly you have some questions and/or ideas of your own on this subject. Boom has put forth an idea, why don't you begin there, expound and explicate for us that which you consider to be most valuable. Frankly, I believe I covered the subject in the thread, Social Fruits, but perhaps not to your satisfaction, which means that your lead is quite necessary.




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