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#21 Raymond

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Posted 03 March 2013 - 10:24 PM

A mixed economy?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:39 AM

Regarding government IMO the authors seem to hint that this government on a neighbouring world is just slightly ahead of our government. IMO the urantia book itself is going to help solve much of these issues once people start reading it. I just hope that it is North America (Canada) included that gets a handle on this book before there is another major war. I don't see any economic system fixing our issues, at least not until the urantia book becomes widespread. IMO we are in for a bumpy ride until that happens, IMO the urantia book is here because our civilization has ceased growing in the past 100 years. IMO it really is an emergency revelation.

Edited by -Scott-, 04 March 2013 - 01:41 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:22 AM

Hi all! :)

Scott, I agree, the government of a neighboring planet, it occurs to me that have a double meaning, describe its operation, but also as a model or as a hint for us to pay attention on these points.
It is possible that Melchizedek gave this Paper, it was to give us some points that fit very well for our growth, especially emphasized as it should, and as a government should not be Representative. I think we all agree with the 10 ítems, some of which seem to comply, but I think there are a lot are only apparent in the effective implementation...

The Evolution of Representative Government


(801.13) 71:2.1 Democracy, while an ideal, is a product of civilization, not of evolution. Go slowly! select carefully! for the dangers of democracy are:

1.Glorification of mediocrity.
2. Choice of base and ignorant rulers.
3. Failure to recognize the basic facts of social evolution.
4. Danger of universal suffrage in the hands of uneducated and indolent majorities. 5. Slavery to public opinion; the majority is not always right.

(802.1) 71:2.7 Public opinion, common opinion, has always delayed society; nevertheless, it is valuable, for, while retarding social evolution, it does preserve civilization. Education of public opinion is the only safe and true method of accelerating civilization; force is only a temporary expedient, and cultural growth will increasingly accelerate as bullets give way to ballots. Public opinion, the mores, is the basic and elemental energy in social evolution and state development, but to be of state value it must be nonviolent in expression.

(802.2) 71:2.8 The measure of the advance of society is directly determined by the degree to which public opinion can control personal behavior and state regulation through nonviolent expression. The really civilized government had arrived when public opinion was clothed with the powers of personal franchise. Popular elections may not always decide things rightly, but they represent the right way even to do a wrong thing. Evolution does not at once produce superlative perfection but rather comparative and advancing practical adjustment.

(802.3) 71:2.9 There are ten steps, or stages, to the evolution of a practical and efficient form of representative government, and these are:

1. Freedom of the person. Slavery, serfdom, and all forms of human bondage must disappear.

2. Freedom of the mind. Unless a free people are educated — taught to think intelligently and plan wisely — freedom usually does more harm than good.

3. The reign of law. Liberty can be enjoyed only when the will and whims of human rulers are replaced by legislative enactments in accordance with accepted fundamental law.

4. Freedom of speech. Representative government is unthinkable without freedom of all forms of expression for human aspirations and opinions.

5. Security of property. No government can long endure if it fails to provide for the right to enjoy personal property in some form. Man craves the right to use, control, bestow, sell, lease, and bequeath his personal property.

6. The right of petition. Representative government assumes the right of citizens to
be heard. The privilege of petition is inherent in free citizenship.


7. The right to rule. It is not enough to be heard; the power of petition must progress to the actual management of the government.

8. Universal suffrage. Representative government presupposes an intelligent, efficient, and universal electorate. The character of such a government will ever be determined by the character and caliber of those who compose it. As civilization progresses, suffrage, while remaining universal for both sexes, will be effectively modified, regrouped, and otherwise differentiated.

9. Control of public servants. No civil government will be serviceable and effective unless the citizenry possess and use wise techniques of guiding and controlling officeholders and public servants.

10. Intelligent and trained representation. The survival of democracy is dependent on successful representative government; and that is conditioned upon the practice of electing to public offices only those individuals who are technically trained, intellectually competent, socially loyal, and morally fit. Only by such provisions can government of the people, by the people, and for the people be preserved.



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Edited by Alina, 04 March 2013 - 08:29 AM.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:37 AM

I think the capitalist/democracy model will have a long run yet but it will be hybridized further by the various and multiple cultures still to either embrace or have successful power transfers/transitions peacefully. Regarding communism.....it died a slow and painful death....Alina said we have too many ideas with too few ideals. This might be an example. Socialism is an economic system with democracy and free enterprise (capitalism) as its engine so I see it as a form, perhaps an older model of the freed colonies more rigorous individualism which infected the colonizers. I think the problem lies not in the economic model but is a function of poor leadership, nationalism, immaturity of voting citizens, family unit breakdown and materialism which no "system" of governance will be able to address any time soon. Yet progress has been made on many levels of improved cooperation and communication internationally so evolution is still at work. Priorities and strategies will and must change. I have opined elsewhere that it may be a common enemy to civilization or humanity itself that reorganizes systems in the future. Really don't know.

Just read Alina's post so I'll quit for now....she's got it!


(800.2) 71:0.2 The modern state is the institution which survived in the long struggle for group power. Superior power eventually prevailed, and it produced a creature of fact — the state — together with the moral myth of the absolute obligation of the citizen to live and die for the state. But the state is not of divine genesis; it was not even produced by volitionally intelligent human action; it is purely an evolutionary institution and was wholly automatic in origin.

(804.16) 71:4.16 The appearance of genuine brotherhood signifies that a social order has arrived in which all men delight in bearing one another’s burdens; they actually desire to practice the golden rule. But such an ideal society cannot be realized when either the weak or the wicked lie in wait to take unfair and unholy advantage of those who are chiefly actuated by devotion to the service of truth, beauty, and goodness. In such a situation only one course is practical: The “golden rulers” may establish a progressive society in which they live according to their ideals while maintaining an adequate defense against their benighted fellows who might seek either to exploit their pacific predilections or to destroy their advancing civilization.

(804.17) 71:4.17 Idealism can never survive on an evolving planet if the idealists in each generation permit themselves to be exterminated by the baser orders of humanity. And here is the great test of idealism: Can an advanced society maintain that military preparedness which renders it secure from all attack by its war-loving neighbors without yielding to the temptation to employ this military strength in offensive operations against other peoples for purposes of selfish gain or national aggrandizement? National survival demands preparedness, and religious idealism alone can prevent the prostitution of preparedness into aggression. Only love, brotherhood, can prevent the strong from oppressing the weak.

(805.1) 71:5.1 Competition is essential to social progress, but competition, unregulated, breeds violence. In current society, competition is slowly displacing war in that it determines the individual’s place in industry, as well as decreeing the survival of the industries themselves. (Murder and war differ in their status before the mores, murder having been outlawed since the early days of society, while war has never yet been outlawed by mankind as a whole.)

(805.2) 71:5.2 The ideal state undertakes to regulate social conduct only enough to take violence out of individual competition and to prevent unfairness in personal initiative. Here is a great problem in statehood: How can you guarantee peace and quiet in industry, pay the taxes to support state power, and at the same time prevent taxation from handicapping industry and keep the state from becoming parasitical or tyrannical?

(805.3) 71:5.3 Throughout the earlier ages of any world, competition is essential to progressive civilization. As the evolution of man progresses, co-operation becomes increasingly effective. In advanced civilizations co-operation is more efficient than competition. Early man is stimulated by competition. Early evolution is characterized by the survival of the biologically fit, but later civilizations are the better promoted by intelligent co-operation, understanding fraternity, and spiritual brotherhood.

(805.4) 71:5.4 True, competition in industry is exceedingly wasteful and highly ineffective, but no attempt to eliminate this economic lost motion should be countenanced if such adjustments entail even the slightest abrogation of any of the basic liberties of the individual.


6. The Profit Motive


(805.5) 71:6.1 Present-day profit-motivated economics is doomed unless profit motives can be augmented by service motives. Ruthless competition based on narrow-minded self-interest is ultimately destructive of even those things which it seeks to maintain. Exclusive and self-serving profit motivation is incompatible with Christian ideals — much more incompatible with the teachings of Jesus.

(805.6) 71:6.2 In economics, profit motivation is to service motivation what fear is to love in religion. But the profit motive must not be suddenly destroyed or removed; it keeps many otherwise slothful mortals hard at work. It is not necessary, however, that this social energy arouser be forever selfish in its objectives.

Edited by Bradly aka/fanofVan, 04 March 2013 - 09:17 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

Hola Bradly, all!

We lack real leaders! Wise leaders, by that I mean, that cover the broad spectrum that is needed to get produce growth, clean, on everything clean and transparent ...Lucid but not worn.
But know this that is progressive, but sudden changes may also occur, according to Revelations.

On the other hand you say:

"I think it important to remember that planetary progress is in the hands of those who know what they're about and are experienced and capable. Perhaps we are not such a
challenge as we appear or imagine? As Raymond points out -our point of view (perspective) is from underneath or fromwithin the transformation and our time here so short towitness progress - it's hard to see the horizen from thealigator pit. And as Sister Alina demonstrates in thistopic - growth is hard to discern when progress in manyways is so uneven...."


From their point of view, it seems that we will not see significant changes, at least being here, maybe you'll let us hear from the universe broadcasts and we find out what happens in Urantia. :D
But we do not know, actually we do not have the ability to know date and time that something unexpected might happen, right?

(1863.12) 170:4.14 This world has never seriously or sincerely or honestly tried out these dynamic ideas and divine ideals of Jesus’ doctrine of the kingdom of heaven. But you should not become discouraged by the apparently slow progress of the kingdom idea on Urantia. Remember that the order of progressive evolution is subjected to sudden and unexpected periodical changes in both the material and the spiritual worlds. The bestowal of Jesus as an incarnated Son was just such a strange and unexpected event in the spiritual life of the world. Neither make the fatal mistake, in looking for the age manifestation of the kingdom, of failing to effect its establishment within your own souls.

(1087.4) 99:2.1 Institutional religion cannot afford inspiration and provide leadership in this impending world-wide social reconstruction and economic reorganization because it has unfortunately become more or less of an organic part of the social order and the economic system which is destined to undergo reconstruction. Only the real religion of personal spiritual experience can function helpfully and creatively in the present crisis of civilization.

(1089.10) 99:4.2 Social leadership is transformed by spiritual insight; religion prevents all collective movements from losing sight of their true objectives...

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:08 AM

Well....I certainly don't have any connections or information about what's to come or when or how. I expect to view the evolutionary transformations to come here from Mansonia. I just have faith in those in charge...and they're not mortals.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 12:25 PM

Bradly aka/fanofVan-Posted Today, 01:08 PM
Well....I certainly don't have any connections or information about what's to come or when or how. I expect to view the evolutionary transformations to come here from Mansonia. I just have faith in those in charge...and they're not mortals.



Bradly, me neither... :) But, I think that the transformation must come from an awareness relation religion.When there are many people realize Who we are, What we do here, Where we go. I find that this growth. The new capacity expansion by undoubtedly will make everything change, It would be like looking from another perspective or change focus.The main thing is that this new approach would lead to less speculation, the lies etc.
I think the arrival of the Fifth Revelation can do much to enhance the growth, as long as it is practiced, but must be the conditions,also the time for this to manifest massively.


(591.3) 52:2.3...The evolution of the religious capacity of receptivity in the inhabitants of a world largely determines their rate of spiritual advancement and the extent of religious revelation.

(1086.5) 99:1.2 Religion must become a forceful influence for moral stability and spiritual progression functioning dynamically in the midst of these ever-changing conditions and never-ending economic adjustments.

(1087.6) 99:2.3 Religionists must function in society, in industry, and in politics as individuals, not as groups, parties, or institutions. A religious group which presumes to function as such, apart from religious activities, immediately becomes a political party, an economic organization, or a social institution. Religious collectivism must confine its efforts to the furtherance of religious causes.


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Edited by Alina, 04 March 2013 - 01:09 PM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 06:10 AM



Hello,

I would like to share Croatian point of view. In last 100 years we past through many political models. Kingdom, comunisam, totalytarisam, democracy and socialisam. Last 3 in last 20 years.
I think that all of this models are not badly imagined and the problem was in people which were behind it. People with lust for power, lust for glorification of ego, lust for material things.
And people which do not care for their brothers and sisters.
When one model was finished the same people become leaders of new model.
I beleive that you get the picture.

IMO, all of this had to happen during political growth.
People must see how bad things can get, so when they elect next time they will remeber what all previouse models Brought them. Sad things is tha people with ideas and ideals doesn't want to waste time on corupted politics.

Gordian knot

It will take some time to antagle it :)






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Posted 05 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

A Thought to Ponder from The Urantia Book

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"The prime mission of government is the definition of the right, the just and fair regulation of class differences, and the enforcement of equality of opportunity under the rules of law."

(906.4) 81:5.6
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:34 AM

Good Day Pike, Bradly, all!

FanofVan, Very timely your quote!


Thank Pike, I know. I am very informed, because I have a very dear friend Croatian since many years living here! For my part, what I can say! Here governs us is someone who believes that she is "Cleopatra"and his entourage :) !
The idiosyncrasy of my country is very special, very complex to explain here.
It is unfortunate that some of the people prefer not to work and comply with a small house, which gives the government some money, and are present and added public acts of government.
It's very sad, because not all are like that, and give a picture that is not quite real when it comes to thinking of people, especially middle and upper classes, who like myself, did not adhere at all, to this model, if you can say so, but that has been the history of my country, since childhood, without interruptions talk of democracy, with military interventions... etc.
What little respect for those who declared our Independence, and to those real heroes as was José de San Martín and many Others!
Well have much, much to say ...

(1135.1) 103:5.11 But man is not saved or ennobled by pressure. Spirit growth springs from within the evolving soul. Pressure may deform the personality, but it never stimulates growth. Even educational pressure is only negatively helpful in that it may aid in the prevention of disastrous experiences. Spiritual growth is greatest where all external pressures are at a minimum. “Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.” Man develops best when the pressures of home, community, church, and state are least. But this must not be construed as meaning that there is no place in a progressive society for home, social institutions, church, and state.



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Edited by Alina, 05 March 2013 - 08:52 AM.


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Posted 05 March 2013 - 03:39 PM

Hi to all! :)

With relation personal growth, I think the Seven Adjutant Mind Spirits, which are in fact, an awareness of the Divine Minister, and are always subordinate to action and creative presence of his mother, and the Ascension of the Seven Psychic Circles of cosmic growth, are essential to produce real growth and progress.
Actually there can be no growth (except physical) without progress, or progress without growth.


(402.6) 36:5.9 4. The spirit of knowledge — the curiosity-mother of adventure and discovery, the scientific spirit; the guide and faithful associate of the spirits of courage and counsel; the urge to direct the endowments of courage into useful and progressive paths of growth.

(1209.3) 110:6.3 The psychic circles are not exclusively intellectual, neither are they wholly morontial; they have to do with personality status, mind attainment, soul growth, and Adjuster attunement. The successful traversal of these levels demands the harmonious functioning of the entire personality, not merely of some one phase thereof. The growth of the parts does not equal the true maturation of the whole; the parts really grow in proportion to the expansion of the entire self — the whole self — material, intellectual, and spiritual.

(402.9) 36:5.12 7. The spirit of wisdom — the inherent tendency of all moral creatures towards orderly and progressive evolutionary advancement. This is the highest of the adjutants, the spirit co-ordinator and articulator of the work of all the others. This spirit is the secret of that inborn urge of mind creatures which initiates and maintains the practical and effective program of the ascending scale of existence; that gift of living things which accounts for their inexplicable ability to survive and, in survival, to utilize the co-ordination of all their past experience and present opportunities for the acquisition of all of everything that all of the other six mental ministers can mobilize in the mind of the organism concerned. Wisdom is the acme of intellectual performance. Wisdom is the goal of a purely mental and moral existence.


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Posted 08 March 2013 - 10:15 AM

Growth and Progress


Political Sovereignty
(of Paper 134 -The Transition Years)



(1487.9) 134:5.2 War on Urantia will never end so long as nations cling to the illusive notions of unlimited national sovereignty. There are only two levels of relative sovereignty on an inhabited world: the spiritual free will of the individual mortal and the collective sovereignty of mankind as a whole. Between the level of the individual human being and the level of the total of mankind, all groupings and associations are relative, transitory, and of value only in so far as they enhance the welfare, well-being, and progress of the individual and the planetary grand total — man and mankind.

(1488.1) 134:5.3 Religious teachers must always remember that the spiritual sovereignty of God overrides all intervening and intermediate spiritual loyalties. Someday civil rulers will learn that the Most Highs rule in the kingdoms of men.

(1488.2) 134:5.4 This rule of the Most Highs in the kingdoms of men is not for the especial benefit of any especially favored group of mortals. There is no such thing as a “chosen people.” The rule of the Most Highs, the overcontrollers of political evolution, is a rule designed to foster the greatest good to the greatest number of all men and for the greatest length of time.

(1488.3) 134:5.5 Sovereignty is power and it grows by organization. This growth of the organization of political power is good and proper, for it tends to encompass ever-widening segments of the total of mankind. But this same growth of political organizations creates a problem at every intervening stage between the initial and natural organization of political power — the family — and the final consummation of political growth — the government of all mankind, by all mankind, and for all mankind.

(1490.3) 134:5.17 With scientific progress, wars are going to become more and more devastating until they become almost racially suicidal. How many world wars must be fought and how many leagues of nations must fail before men will be willing to establish the government of mankind and begin to enjoy the blessings of permanent peace and thrive on the tranquillity of good will — world-wide good will — among men?


Edited by Alina, 08 March 2013 - 10:28 AM.


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Posted 25 March 2013 - 01:20 PM

Religious Growth

(1097.4) 100:3.7 Man cannot cause growth, but he can supply favorable conditions. Growth is always unconscious, be it physical, intellectual, or spiritual. Love thus grows; it cannot be created, manufactured, or purchased; it must grow. Evolution is a cosmic technique of growth. Social growth cannot be secured by legislation, and moral growth is not had by improved administration. Man may manufacture a machine, but its real value must be derived from human culture and personal appreciation. Man’s sole contribution to growth is the mobilization of the total powers of his personality — living faith.

(1094.3) 100:1.1 While religion produces growth of meanings and enhancement of values, evil always results when purely personal evaluations are elevated to the levels of absolutes. A child evaluates experience in accordance with the content of pleasure; maturity is proportional to the substitution of higher meanings for personal pleasure, even loyalties to the highest concepts of diversified life situations and cosmic relations.

(1094.4) 100:1.2 Some persons are too busy to grow and are therefore in grave danger of spiritual fixation. Provision must be made for growth of meanings at differing ages, in successive cultures, and in the passing stages of advancing civilization. The chief inhibitors of growth are prejudice and ignorance.

(1094.5) 100:1.3 Give every developing child a chance to grow his own religious experience; do not force a ready-made adult experience upon him. Remember, year-by-year progress through an established educational regime does not necessarily mean intellectual progress, much less spiritual growth. Enlargement of vocabulary does not signify development of character. Growth is not truly indicated by mere products but rather by progress. Real educational growth is indicated by enhancement of ideals, increased appreciation of values, new meanings of values, and augmented loyalty to supreme values.



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Posted 25 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

Thank you Alina,

right quote in right moment.
I'm really looking forward to meet you one day. We are so alike
Peace be upon you

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Posted 28 March 2013 - 03:53 PM

Thanks Pike, Yes. I do think that we look like!
Come to Argentina! :)


Look what beautiful quote of Rodan about Jesus and friendship:

1785.3) 161:2.3 His life association with us exemplifies the ideal of human friendship; only a divine being could possibly be such a human friend. He is the most truly unselfish person we have ever known. He is the friend even of sinners; he dares to love his enemies. He is very loyal to us. While he does not hesitate to reprove us, it is plain to all that he truly loves us. The better you know him, the more you will love him. You will be charmed by his unswerving devotion. Through all these years of our failure to comprehend his mission, he has been a faithful friend. While he makes no use of flattery, he does treat us all with equal kindness; he is invariably tender and compassionate. He has shared his life and everything else with us. We are a happy community; we share all things in common. We do not believe that a mere human could live such a blameless life under such trying circumstances.


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