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#21 Bonita

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

Do you mean infinitesimal?


117:4.12 Into the keeping of mortal man has been given not only the Adjuster presence of the Paradise Father but also control over the destiny of an infinitesimal fraction of the future of the Supreme. For as man attains human destiny, so does the Supreme achieve destiny on deity levels.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:43 PM

Thanks Bonita! :)

Yes... "infinitesimal" I think it's this, although I know that there is another that is similar.
I was just reading that!

Since I'm here I copy that and add one more. Interesting.


(1285.1) 117:4.12 Into the keeping of mortal man has been given not only the Adjuster presence of the Paradise Father but also control over the destiny of an infinitesimal fraction of the future of the Supreme. For as man attains human destiny, so does the Supreme achieve destiny on deity levels.

(1285.2) 117:4.13 And so the decision awaits each of you as it once awaited each of us: Will you fail the God of time, who is so dependent upon the decisions of the finite mind? will you fail the Supreme personality of the universes by the slothfulness of animalistic retrogression? will you fail the great brother of all creatures, who is so dependent on each creature? can you allow yourself to pass into the realm of the unrealized when before you lies the enchanting vista of the universe career — the divine discovery of the Paradise Father and the divine participation in the search for, and the evolution of, the God of Supremacy?



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:53 PM

Interesting that they also call the Supreme the "great brother".

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:06 PM

Interesting that they also call the Supreme the "great brother".


Yeah, the "big brother" the companion on the way up! also the Supreme "the God of time"

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

The brother idea intrigues me because Jesus/Michael is sometimes called our brother. And we also know that Jesus/Michael is the revelation of the Supreme to his creatures.

119:8.7 In passing through the experience of revealing the Seven Master Spirit wills of the Trinity, the Creator Son has passed through the experience of revealing the will of the Supreme. In functioning as a revelator of the will of Supremacy, Michael, together with all other Master Sons, has identified himself eternally with the Supreme. In this universe age he reveals the Supreme and participates in the actualization of the sovereignty of Supremacy.

40:6.3 2. A Creator Son of God became one of you; he is your elder brother in fact; and if in spirit you become truly related brothers of Christ, the victorious Michael, then in spirit must you also be sons of that Father which you have in common—even the Universal Father of all.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 04:47 PM

True, For me Jesus is an example on how to live the Supreme. HE revealed the creatures to God of Time.

(1291.9) 117:7.5 3. The Supreme is not completely real to universe creatures, but there are many reasons for deducing that he is quite real to the Sevenfold Deity, extending from the Universal Father on Paradise to the Creator Sons and the Creative Spirits of the local universes.

(1279.2) 117:1.4 The will of the Creator and the will of the creature are qualitatively different, but they are also experientially akin, for creature and Creator can collaborate in the achievement of universe perfection. Man can work in liaison with God and thereby cocreate an eternal finaliter. God can work even as humanity in the incarnations of his Sons, who thereby achieve the supremacy of creature experience.


(1279.3) 117:1.5 In the Supreme Being, Creator and creature are united in one Deity whose will is expressive of one divine personality. And this will of the Supreme is something more than the will of either creature or Creator, even as the sovereign will of the Master Son of Nebadon is now something more than a combination of the will of divinity and humanity. The union of Paradise perfection and time-space experience yields a new meaning value on deity levels of reality.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:00 PM

And the more we strive to live the righteous life, the life that Jesus revealed to us as our potential, the more we achieve self-realization, the further along the psychic circles we traverse and the closer the Supreme comes to deity expression.

116:7.6 Man’s urge for Paradise perfection, his striving for God-attainment, creates a genuine divinity tension in the living cosmos which can only be resolved by the evolution of an immortal soul; this is what happens in the experience of a single mortal creature. But when all creatures and all Creators in the grand universe likewise strive for God-attainment and divine perfection, there is built up a profound cosmic tension which can only find resolution in the sublime synthesis of almighty power with the spirit person of the evolving God of all creatures, the Supreme Being.

117:4.6 And so, as we strive for self-expression, the Supreme is striving in us, and with us, for deity expression. As we find the Father, so has the Supreme again found the Paradise Creator of all things. As we master the problems of self-realization, so is the God of experience achieving almighty supremacy in the universes of time and space.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 05:29 PM

Yes, the choice is ours, between these cosmic tensions we must find the balance needed to learn to know how to choose, between truth and error.

(1300.6) 118:7.2 Even the supreme correlation of all past, present, and future choice does not invalidate the authenticity of such choosings. It rather indicates the foreordained trend of the cosmos and suggests foreknowledge of those volitional beings who may, or may not, elect to become contributory parts of the experiential actualization of all reality.

(1300.7) 118:7.3 Error in finite choosing is time bound and time limited. It can exist only in time and within the evolving presence of the Supreme Being. Such mistaken choosing is time possible and indicates (besides the incompleteness of the Supreme) that certain range of choice with which immature creatures must be endowed in order to enjoy universe progression by making freewill contact with reality.

(1301.1) 118:7.4 Sin in time-conditioned space clearly proves the temporal liberty — even license — of the finite will. Sin depicts immaturity dazzled by the freedom of the relatively sovereign will of personality while failing to perceive the supreme obligations and duties of cosmic citizenship.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 06:10 PM

I am just providing a couple quotes here that show that the Almighty is synthesizing with the Supreme. This is the personality-power synthesis that the authors talk about.

(1269.1) 116:1.2 The union of the power and personality attributes of Supremacy is the function of Supreme Mind; and the completed evolution of the Almighty Supreme will result in one unified and personal Deity — not in any loosely co-ordinated association of divine attributes. From the broader perspective, there will be no Almighty apart from the Supreme, no Supreme apart from the Almighty.

(1264.6) 115:4.7 The growth of Supremacy derives from the triodities; the spirit person of the Supreme, from the Trinity; but the power prerogatives of the Almighty are predicated on the divinity successes of God the Sevenfold, while the conjoining of the power prerogatives of the Almighty Supreme with the spirit person of God the Supreme takes place by virtue of the ministry of the Conjoint Actor, who bestowed the mind of the Supreme as the conjoining factor in this evolutionary Deity.

Just thought I would add this one in. They could have just said the "Supreme Being" or "Almighty Supreme" is our mother, yet they refer to the very spiritual personality by referencing just the Supreme.

117:6.2.If you truly desire to find God, you cannot help having born in your minds the consciousness of the Supreme. As God is your divine Father, so is the Supreme your divine Mother, in whom you are nurtured throughout your lives as universe creatures. "How universal is the Supreme—he is on all sides! The limitless things of creation depend on his presence for life, and none are refused."


Edited by -Scott-, 18 March 2013 - 06:10 PM.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:11 PM

Yes, the choice is ours, between these cosmic tensions we must find the balance needed to learn to know how to choose, between truth and error.


And isn't it wonderful to know that Michael's Spirit of Truth guides us through all of this and that he will continue to guide us even when we leave our local universe?

p1286:7 117:5.9 While such spiritual influences as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are local universe ministrations, their guidance is not wholly confined to the geographic limitations of a given local creation. As the ascending mortal passes beyond the boundaries of his local universe of origin, he is not entirely deprived of the ministry of the Spirit of Truth which has so constantly taught and guided him through the philosophic mazes of the material and morontial worlds, in every crisis of ascension unfailingly directing the Paradise pilgrim, ever saying: "This is the way." When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God.

This is because he is the master of the experience of Supremacy. I believe this is one of the reasons he referred to himself as "the way", because the Supreme provides the technique for power-personality mobilization, divine synthesis, thus enabling the finite to attain the absonite. (0:8.11)

101:6.5 After his ascension Michael became master of the experience of Supremacy, the realization of the Supreme; and being the one person in Nebadon possessed of unlimited capacity to experience the reality of the Supreme, he forthwith attained to the status of the sovereignty of supremacy in and to his local universe.

119:8.7 In passing through the experience of revealing the Seven Master Spirit wills of the Trinity, the Creator Son has passed through the experience of revealing the will of the Supreme. In functioning as a revelator of the will of Supremacy, Michael, together with all other Master Sons, has identified himself eternally with the Supreme. In this universe age he reveals the Supreme and participates in the actualization of the sovereignty of Supremacy.

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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:54 AM

And isn't it wonderful to know that Michael's Spirit of Truth guides us through all of this and that he will continue to guide us even when we leave our local universe?

p1286:7 117:5.9 While such spiritual influences as the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Truth are local universe ministrations, their guidance is not wholly confined to the geographic limitations of a given local creation. As the ascending mortal passes beyond the boundaries of his local universe of origin, he is not entirely deprived of the ministry of the Spirit of Truth which has so constantly taught and guided him through the philosophic mazes of the material and morontial worlds, in every crisis of ascension unfailingly directing the Paradise pilgrim, ever saying: "This is the way." When you leave the domains of the local universe, through the ministry of the spirit of the emerging Supreme Being and through the provisions of superuniverse reflectivity, you will still be guided in your Paradise ascent by the comforting directive spirit of the Paradise bestowal Sons of God.

This is because he is the master of the experience of Supremacy. I believe this is one of the reasons he referred to himself as "the way", because the Supreme provides the technique for power-personality mobilization, divine synthesis, thus enabling the finite to attain the absonite. (0:8.11)

101:6.5 After his ascension Michael became master of the experience of Supremacy, the realization of the Supreme; and being the one person in Nebadon possessed of unlimited capacity to experience the reality of the Supreme, he forthwith attained to the status of the sovereignty of supremacy in and to his local universe.

119:8.7 In passing through the experience of revealing the Seven Master Spirit wills of the Trinity, the Creator Son has passed through the experience of revealing the will of the Supreme. In functioning as a revelator of the will of Supremacy, Michael, together with all other Master Sons, has identified himself eternally with the Supreme. In this universe age he reveals the Supreme and participates in the actualization of the sovereignty of Supremacy.


Yes, it is wonderful Bonita!
The Spirit of Truth is with us! "This is the way" :)

Something to remember about the divine synthesis to take account, with the purpose absonite reaching.
And this begins from here.
(135.10) 12:5.11 The human personality is not merely a concomitant of time-and-space events; the human personality can also act as the cosmic cause of such events.


(1287.2) 117:5.11 Even the experience of man and Adjuster must find echo in the divinity of God the Supreme, for, as the Adjusters experience, they are like the Supreme, and the evolving soul of mortal man is created out of the pre-existent possibility for such experience within the Supreme.

(1287.3) 117:5.12 In this manner do the manifold experiences of all creation become a part of the evolution of Supremacy. Creatures merely utilize the qualities and quantities of the finite as they ascend to the Father; the impersonal consequences of such utilization remain forever a part of the living cosmos, the Supreme person.

(1287.4) 117:5.13 What man himself takes with him as a personality possession are the character consequences of the experience of having used the mind and spirit circuits of the grand universe in his Paradise ascent. When man decides, and when he consummates this decision in action, man experiences, and the meanings and the values of this experience are forever a part of his eternal character on all levels, from the finite to the final. Cosmically moral and divinely spiritual character represents the creature’s capital accumulation of personal decisions which have been illuminated by sincere worship, glorified by intelligent love, and consummated in brotherly service.

Edited by Alina, 19 March 2013 - 11:56 AM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:37 PM

And here again, we are told that the effort is ours. Our personality can be a cause of the cosmic event of power-personality synthesis.

116:6.6 And as it is with the parts, so it is with the whole; the spirit person of Supremacy requires the evolutionary power of the Almighty to achieve completion of Deity and to attain destiny of Trinity association. The effort is made by the personalities of time and space, but the culmination and consummation of this effort is the act of the Almighty Supreme. And while the growth of the whole is thus a totalizing of the collective growth of the parts, it equally follows that the evolution of the parts is a segmented reflection of the purposive growth of the whole.

It is our striving which performs an integral function in the synthesis of the Almighty Supreme.

117:4.6 And so, as we strive for self-expression, the Supreme is striving in us, and with us, for deity expression. As we find the Father, so has the Supreme again found the Paradise Creator of all things. As we master the problems of self-realization, so is the God of experience achieving almighty supremacy in the universes of time and space.

116:7.6 Man’s urge for Paradise perfection, his striving for God-attainment, creates a genuine divinity tension in the living cosmos which can only be resolved by the evolution of an immortal soul; this is what happens in the experience of a single mortal creature. But when all creatures and all Creators in the grand universe likewise strive for God-attainment and divine perfection, there is built up a profound cosmic tension which can only find resolution in the sublime synthesis of almighty power with the spirit person of the evolving God of all creatures, the Supreme Being.

Edited by Bonita, 19 March 2013 - 12:40 PM.


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 04:03 PM

Hi! :)

After all, the greatest human achievement, it is part of the Supreme the synthesis is the result of the union of personality-Adjuster. But the effort, our decisions, faith, ideals... guide us on the path of righteousness.
As Jesus had lived Extraordinary both human and divine capacity, experienced the reality of the Supreme and this was the cause to achieve the Supreme Sovereignty of the local universe.


(1112.2) 101:6.6 With man, the eventual fusion and resultant oneness with the indwelling Adjuster — the personality synthesis of man and the essence of God — constitute him, in potential, a living part of the Supreme and insure for such a onetime mortal being the eternal birthright of the endless pursuit of finality of universe service for and with the Supreme.


(1112.3) 101:6.7 Revelation teaches mortal man that, to start such a magnificent and intriguing adventure through space by means of the progression of time, he should begin by the organization of knowledge into idea-decisions; next, mandate wisdom to labor unremittingly at its noble task of transforming self-possessed ideas into increasingly practical but nonetheless supernal ideals, even those concepts which are so reasonable as ideas and so logical as ideals that the Adjuster dares so to combine and spiritize them as to render them available for such association in the finite mind as will constitute them the actual human complement thus made ready for the action of the Truth Spirit of the Sons, the time-space manifestations of Paradise truth — universal truth. The co-ordination of idea-decisions, logical ideals, and divine truth constitutes the possession of a righteous character, the prerequisite for mortal admission to the ever-expanding and increasingly spiritual realities of the morontia worlds.

(1112.4) 101:6.8 The teachings of Jesus constituted the first Urantian religion which so fully embraced a harmonious co-ordination of knowledge, wisdom, faith, truth, and love as completely and simultaneously to provide temporal tranquillity, intellectual certainty, moral enlightenment, philosophic stability, ethical sensitivity, God-consciousness, and the positive assurance of personal survival.



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Posted 20 March 2013 - 11:58 AM

I remain curious about ages of light and life and how they relate to the Supreme and our journey.
Do you believe that "settled in light and life" is synonymous or lets say coincidental with the exhaustion of all possible finite experience?
Life often gives us our greatest gifts brilliantly disguised as our worst nightmares.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:19 PM

I remain curious about ages of light and life and how they relate to the Supreme and our journey.
Do you believe that "settled in light and life" is synonymous or lets say coincidental with the exhaustion of all possible finite experience?


Nooo Nelson, I think in the Age of Light and Life, just started ... :)



(630.7) 55:6.4 The Adjusters continue to come as in former evolutionary eras, and as the epochs pass, these mortals are increasingly able to commune with the indwelling Father fragment. During the embryonic and prespiritual stages of development the adjutant mind-spirits are still functioning. The Holy Spirit and the ministry of angels are even more effective as the successive epochs of settled life are experienced. In the fourth stage of light and life the advanced mortals seem to experience considerable conscious contact with the spirit presence of the Master Spirit of superuniverse jurisdiction, while the philosophy of such a world is focused upon the attempt to comprehend the new revelations of God the Supreme. More than one half of the human inhabitants on planets of this advanced status experience translation to the morontia state from among the living. Even so, “old things are passing away; behold, all things are becoming new.”


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Edited by Alina, 20 March 2013 - 12:21 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:33 PM

Thank you Alina,
What would you think if I were to extend my question beyond an individual world that is settled in light and life to a local universe, a super universe or better yet, the entire grand universe?
Could a grand universe, settled in light and life have exhausted all possible experience?
Life often gives us our greatest gifts brilliantly disguised as our worst nightmares.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 12:52 PM

Thank you Alina,
What would you think if I were to extend my question beyond an individual world that is settled in light and life to a local universe, a super universe or better yet, the entire grand universe?
Could a grand universe, settled in light and life have exhausted all possible experience?


Hi Nelson! I think these quotes speak better than me, very clear. :)




(1282.6) 117:3.11 During the present universe age the Supreme Being is apparently unable to function directly as a creator except in those instances where the finite possibilities of action have been exhausted by the creative agencies of time and space. Thus far in universe history this has transpired but once; when the possibilities of finite action in the matter of universe reflectivity had been exhausted, then did the Supreme function as the creative culminator of all antecedent creator actions. And we believe he will again function as a culminator in future ages whenever antecedent creatorship has completed an appropriate cycle of creative activity.

(1283.1) 117:3.12 The Supreme Being did not create man, but man was literally created out of, his very life was derived from, the potentiality of the Supreme. Nor does he evolve man; yet is the Supreme himself the very essence of evolution. From the finite standpoint, we actually live, move, and have our being within the immanence of the Supreme.

(1283.2) 117:3.13 The Supreme apparently cannot initiate original causation but appears to be the catalyzer of all universe growth and is seemingly destined to provide totality culmination as regards the destiny of all experiential-evolutionary beings. The Father originates the concept of a finite cosmos; the Creator Sons factualize this idea in time and space with the consent and co-operation of the Creative Spirits; the Supreme culminates the total finite and establishes its relationship with the destiny of the absonite.


Edited by Alina, 20 March 2013 - 12:54 PM.


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Posted 20 March 2013 - 01:14 PM

I remain curious about ages of light and life and how they relate to the Supreme and our journey.
Do you believe that "settled in light and life" is synonymous or lets say coincidental with the exhaustion of all possible finite experience?


How are you defining finite? Here's TUB's definition:

0:1.11 The finite level of reality is characterized by creature life and time-space limitations. Finite realities may not have endings, but they always have beginnings — they are created. The Deity level of Supremacy may be conceived as a function in relation to finite existences.

Any reality achieved short of the completion of the Supreme is finite, regardless of the level of light and life of any of the parts. Exhaustion of finite potentials will require that the whole grand universe attains the maximum development of finite potential (perfection). The revelators say that this will probably occur when the entire grand universe is settled in light and life.

106:2.8 Within the completed power-personality synthesis of the Supreme Being there will be associated all of the absoluteness of the several triodities which could be so associated, and this majestic personality of evolution will be experientially attainable and understandable by all finite personalities. When ascenders attain the postulated seventh stage of spirit existence, they will therein experience the realization of a new meaning-value of the absoluteness and infinity of the triodities as such is revealed on subabsolute levels in the Supreme Being, who is experiencible. But the attainment of these stages of maximum development will probably await the co-ordinate settling of the entire grand universe in light and life.

None of the parts can realize the Supreme until the entire whole does so. It will be a simultaneous event for everyone.

117.6.21 A human ascender can find the Father; God is existential and therefore real, irrespective of the status of experience in the total universe. But no single ascender will ever find the Supreme until all ascenders have reached that maximum universe maturity which qualifies them simultaneously to participate in this discovery.

117.6.16 It is not only man’s own limitations which prevent him from finding the finite God; it is also the incompletion of the universe; even the incompletion of all creatures — past, present, and future — makes the Supreme inaccessible. God the Father can be found by any individual who has attained the divine level of Godlikeness, but God the Supreme will never be personally discovered by any one creature until that far-distant time when, through the universal attainment of perfection, all creatures will simultaneously find him.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

Here's another thought. I don't know if it helps with your question or not.

Jesus attained the level of personal light and life.

55:11.7 In some of the older universes we find worlds settled in the fifth and the sixth stages of light and life — even far extended into the seventh epoch — whose local systems are not yet settled in light. Younger planets may delay system unification, but this does not in the least handicap the progress of an older and advanced world. Neither can environmental limitations, even on an isolated world, thwart the personal attainment of the individual mortal; Jesus of Nazareth, as a man among men, personally achieved the status of light and life over nineteen hundred years ago on Urantia.

And we are told that as a Master Son, Michael personally exhausted all the potentials of present finite experience, which is why he can be a revelation of the Supreme. It seems that the rest of us just have to wait until everyone is ready, even if we are fortunate enough to attain personal light and life.


33:2.4 This subordination of the Divine Ministers to the Creator Sons of the local universes constitutes these Master Sons the personal repositories of the finitely manifestable divinity of the Father, Son, and Spirit, while the creature-bestowal experiences of the Michaels qualify them to portray the experiential divinity of the Supreme Being. No other beings in the universes have thus personally exhausted the potentials of present finite experience, and no other beings in the universes possess such qualifications for solitary sovereignty.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 02:53 PM

Here's another thought.
And we are told that as a Master Son, Michael personally exhausted all the potentials of present finite experience, which is why he can be a revelation of the Supreme. It seems that the rest of us just have to wait until everyone is ready, even if we are fortunate enough to attain personal light and life.


To continue spinning the thought:

(1287.5) 117:5.14 The evolving Supreme will eventually compensate finite creatures for their inability ever to achieve more than limited experience contact with the universe of universes. Creatures can attain the Paradise Father, but their evolutionary minds, being finite, are incapable of really understanding the infinite and absolute Father. But since all creature experiencing registers in, and is a part of, the Supreme, when all creatures attain the final level of finite existence, and after total universe development makes possible their attainment of God the Supreme as an actual divinity presence, then, inherent in the fact of such contact, is contact with total experience. The finite of time contains within itself the seeds of eternity; and we are taught that, when the fullness of evolution witnesses the exhaustion of the capacity for cosmic growth, the total finite will embark upon the absonite phases of the eternal career in quest of the Father as Ultimate.


For me, this quote means that when all evolutionary possibilities are exhausted,when the entire universe has a chance to reach an understanding of the infinite, by the total experience of the Supreme (since everything is registered in the Supreme) is completed reflexivity of the Reflective Spirits.
But as in the time is also eternity, the reality of the "seeds of eternity" and when exhaust all potential cosmic growth, because these are already present and there would be more potential for growth, then, all together, all the finite amount would to the search of the Father Ultimate.


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Edited by Alina, 20 March 2013 - 03:05 PM.





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