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#21 Howard509

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:24 AM

Of course you may believe whatever you wish my brother, but only one type of creature reincarnates in our local universe, according to the authors, from Paper 46:7:


...Spornagia are the only creatures in all the universe of Nebadon who experience this or any other sort of reincarnation.... P.528 - 3


I don't believe in reincarnation in the traditional sense. Cultures throughout history believed that the soul evolves over many lifetimes before attaining perfection. What they didn't have is the cosmological frame of reference that the Urantia Book provides to show that it's into higher worlds, not into this world, that we are reborn.

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:28 AM

Actually I think you do believe in reincarnation in its original sense....as I believe in karma in its original sense, both of which became entangled by and within each other and transformed by priests and practitioners over thousands of years into the mumbo jumbo you call "traditional". So the traditional is a distortion of the originals: karma is the spiritual and mindal reciprocity laws of intentions and motives and the position of self therein while reincarnation is the reality of mortal to morontial progression and ascension from morontial to spirit. Both are about transformation and transcendence beyond the material but were twisted into pure mortal experiences with spiritual aspirations perhaps still but very planet-centric which reveals another original truth within....social and planetary progress are thought to derive by the karmic reincarnation cycle, or the same souls reliving, over and over, the material life to make both individual and social progress in this endless cycle. But all 3 teachings combine to urge humanity inward and upward and to transform our civilization by this personal progressive experience. We know better now, but the original truth still lives within these traditional falsehoods.

But we know that these teachings came originally in Dalmatia and the Garden and by Machevinta to illustrate basic concepts of cosmic citizenship and pilgrim ascension into the grand adventure. Herein lies the example of truth lost in the depths of time and by the loss of cosmic leadership on-planet to keep the originals from the distortions of human tradition, myth, and priesthoods.

Edited by Bradly aka/fanofVan, 16 February 2013 - 10:30 AM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 12:04 PM

I don't believe that anyone on this earth was Alexander the Great or Abraham Lincoln in a past life.

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:38 PM

That's funny Howard!! Back in my spiritual"ism" days of seeking, it came to be a "tell" of channelers or mediums to so-called past lives that everyone seemed to be somebody of import, wealth, and/or fame. I always wondered why stable boys and farmers never seemed to come back? And then you meet different folks who shared past lives, yes, even the same character's lives it would appear. This old parlor game of who was I before I was me is quite comical, now, from here. Anyway, I'm not in any way questioning your position, just tangentalizing a little in humor and fellowship. ;)
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 05:47 PM

The Urantia Book position is effectively a middleground between resurrection and reincarnation, "repersonalization."

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 01:36 AM

I too have many books but I will not get rid of Be Here Now.....I think that was the first "new age" book I read and kinda started my search in a new direction....
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 12:09 PM

The lovely Baba Ram Dass. Been carrying it since '72 - 40 years now. Have you read about the NOW in the UB around the time unit perspective and the mature point of view?


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Remember, Be Here Now by Ram Dass (Oct 12, 1971)


(1295.3) 118:1.3 There is a direct relationship between maturity and the unit of time consciousness in any given intellect. The time unit may be a day, a year, or a longer period, but inevitably it is the criterion by which the conscious self evaluates the circumstances of life, and by which the conceiving intellect measures and evaluates the facts of temporal existence.

(1295.4) 118:1.4 Experience, wisdom, and judgment are the concomitants of the lengthening of the time unit in mortal experience. As the human mind reckons backward into the past, it is evaluating past experience for the purpose of bringing it to bear on a present situation. As mind reaches out into the future, it is attempting to evaluate the future significance of possible action. And having thus reckoned with both experience and wisdom, the human will exercises judgment-decision in the present, and the plan of action thus born of the past and the future becomes existent.

(1295.5) 118:1.5 In the maturity of the developing self, the past and future are brought together to illuminate the true meaning of the present. As the self matures, it reaches further and further back into the past for experience, while its wisdom forecasts seek to penetrate deeper and deeper into the unknown future. And as the conceiving self extends this reach ever further into both past and future, so does judgment become less and less dependent on the momentary present. In this way does decision-action begin to escape from the fetters of the moving present, while it begins to take on the aspects of past-future significance.

(1295.6) 118:1.6 Patience is exercised by those mortals whose time units are short; true maturity transcends patience by a forbearance born of real understanding.

(1295.7) 118:1.7 To become mature is to live more intensely in the present, at the same time escaping from the limitations of the present. The plans of maturity, founded on past experience, are coming into being in the present in such manner as to enhance the values of the future.

(1295.8) 118:1.8 The time unit of immaturity concentrates meaning-value into the present moment in such a way as to divorce the present of its true relationship to the not-present — the past-future. The time unit of maturity is proportioned so to reveal the co-ordinate relationship of past-present-future that the self begins to gain insight into the wholeness of events, begins to view the landscape of time from the panoramic perspective of broadened horizons, begins perhaps to suspect the nonbeginning, nonending eternal continuum, the fragments of which are called time.

Edited by Bradly aka/fanofVan, 19 March 2013 - 12:14 PM.

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Posted 20 March 2013 - 04:57 PM

Bill Sadler Jr. wrote that the Urantia Book is not a church or sect and that one's belief in the Urantia Book as a revelation is secondary to one's relationship with the Universal Father. I am glad that we don't believe in a revelation that requires word for word agreement to aid one's relationship with the divine.

www.urantiausa.com/pdfs/Not%20A%20Church%20Or%20Sect.pdf

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -
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