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Posted 21 October 2012 - 08:24 AM

I am not sure on this but I think I read in TUB that advance TAs increase their experience by linking themselves to mortals with lower chances of survival rates. Is that correct or it is something else?


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Posted 21 October 2012 - 09:50 AM

Are you referring to series one and series two mortals?

40:5.10 An experiential Adjuster remains with a primitive human being throughout his entire lifetime in the flesh. The Adjusters contribute much to the advancement of primitive men but are unable to form eternal unions with such mortals. This transient ministry of the Adjusters accomplishes two things: First, they gain valuable and actual experience in the nature and working of the evolutionary intellect, an experience which will be invaluable in connection later contacts on other worlds with beings of higher development. Second, the transient sojourn of the Adjusters contributes much towards preparing their mortal subjects for possible subsequent Spirit fusion.

40:5.13 Like series number one, each member of this group enjoys the ministry of a single Adjuster during lifetime in the flesh. During temporal life these Adjusters do everything for their subjects of temporary indwelling that is done on other worlds where the mortals are of fusion potential. The mortals of this second series are often indwelt by virgin Adjusters, but the higher human types are often in liaison with masterful and experienced Monitors.

109:3.2 On certain primitive worlds (the series one group) the Adjuster indwells the mind of the creature as an experiential training, chiefly for self-culture and progressive development. Virgin Adjusters are usually sent to such worlds during the earlier times when primitive men are arriving in the valley of decision, but when comparatively few will elect to ascend the moral heights beyond the hills of self-mastery and character acquirement to attain the higher levels of emerging spirituality. (Many, however, who fail of Adjuster fusion do survive as Spirit-fused ascenders.) The Adjusters receive valuable training and acquire wonderful experience in transient association with primitive minds, and they are able subsequently to utilize this experience for the benefit of superior beings on other worlds. Nothing of survival value is ever lost in all the wide universe.

But currently, since Michael became Sovereign, practically all Adjusters on this Earth are advanced or supreme. You included.

109:3.6 On the two-brain worlds, subsequent to the sojourn of a Paradise bestowal Son, virgin Adjusters are seldom assigned to persons who have unquestioned capacity for survival. It is our belief that on such worlds practically all Adjusters indwelling intelligent men and women of survival capacity belong to the advanced or to the supreme type.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 10:37 AM

Thanks, Bonita. I was going off vague memory but what you posted cleared things.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:25 PM

Hey BB, I remember how we were talking about how exactly a adjuster communicates with us. I thought you might like this quote. I know I do :).

(1193.6) 108:6.7 The Adjusters are the eternal ancestors, the divine originals, of your evolving immortal souls; they are the unceasing urge that leads man to attempt the mastery of the material and present existence in the light of the spiritual and future career. The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression. And how they do enjoy communicating with their subjects in more or less direct channels! How they rejoice when they can dispense with symbols and other methods of indirection and flash their messages straight to the intellects of their human partners!

The explanation mark must mean they enjoy it :). hahah. Amazing to think that these beings actually "rejoice" when they accomplish this.

Edited by boomshuka, 21 October 2012 - 01:31 PM.

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 01:33 PM

Hey BB, I remember how we were talking about how exactly a adjuster communicates with us. I thought you might like this quote. I know I do :).

(1193.6) 108:6.7 The Adjusters are the eternal ancestors, the divine originals, of your evolving immortal souls; they are the unceasing urge that leads man to attempt the mastery of the material and present existence in the light of the spiritual and future career. The Monitors are the prisoners of undying hope, the founts of everlasting progression. And how they do enjoy communicating with their subjects in more or less direct channels! How they rejoice when they can dispense with symbols and other methods of indirection and flash their messages straight to the intellects of their human partners!

The explanation mark must mean they enjoy it :). hahah


Sweet find! Yea, we were discussing whether they communicate using pictures/symbols and things of that sort. If such is the case, and it seems to be, should one train to understand symbols and how to detect them?

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Posted 21 October 2012 - 03:49 PM

Sweet find! Yea, we were discussing whether they communicate using pictures/symbols and things of that sort. If such is the case, and it seems to be, should one train to understand symbols and how to detect them?


Well the superconsciousness is where these symbols come to us from the adjuster. The superconsciousness, is accesible threw worship and prayer :). So I suppose worship and prayer are our best training.


1203.3) 110:1.1 Adjusters should not be thought of as living in the material brains of human beings. They are not organic parts of the physical creatures of the realms. The Thought Adjuster may more properly be envisaged as indwelling the mortal mind of man rather than as existing within the confines of a single physical organ. And indirectly and unrecognized the Adjuster is constantly communicating with the human subject, especially during those sublime experiences of the worshipful contact of mind with spirit in the superconsciousness.


1209.4) 110:6.4 When the development of the intellectual nature proceeds faster than that of the spiritual, such a situation renders communication with the Thought Adjuster both difficult and dangerous. Likewise, overspiritual development tends to produce a fanatical and perverted interpretation of the spirit leadings of the divine indweller. Lack of spiritual capacity makes it very difficult to transmit to such a material intellect the spiritual truths resident in the higher superconsciousness.

Edited by boomshuka, 21 October 2012 - 03:52 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 08:31 AM

Sweet find! Yea, we were discussing whether they communicate using pictures/symbols and things of that sort. If such is the case, and it seems to be, should one train to understand symbols and how to detect them?


If you have to train yourself to understand the TA's symbols and picturizations, then those symbols and pictures aren't coming from your TA; they're distortions or inventions. The TA knows what symbols and pictures will impress your superconscious. What you "see" with the intellect are garbled and often prejudiced symbols and pictures. The best thing to do is to learn how to think reflectively; how to commune through worshipful prayer; how to reach the borderland of spirit consciousness, the superconscious, where the Adjuster lives. It's called "superthinking". And superthinking can only be done with the pure mind.

143:7.7-8 Prayer is self-reminding - sublime thinking; worship is self-forgetting - superthinking. Worship is effortless attention, true and ideal soul rest, a form of restful spiritual exertion. Worship is the act of a part identifying itself with the Whole; the finite with the Infinite; the son with the Father; time in the act of striking step with eternity. Worship is the act of the son's personal communion with the divine Father, the assumption of refreshing, creative, fraternal, and romantic attitudes by the human soul-spirit.

196.3.31 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man’s greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness — contact with the divine presence.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:31 PM

If you have to train yourself to understand the TA's symbols and picturizations, then those symbols and pictures aren't coming from your TA; they're distortions or inventions. The TA knows what symbols and pictures will impress your superconscious. What you "see" with the intellect are garbled and often prejudiced symbols and pictures. The best thing to do is to learn how to think reflectively; how to commune through worshipful prayer; how to reach the borderland of spirit consciousness, the superconscious, where the Adjuster lives. It's called "superthinking". And superthinking can only be done with the pure mind.

143:7.7-8 Prayer is self-reminding - sublime thinking; worship is self-forgetting - superthinking. Worship is effortless attention, true and ideal soul rest, a form of restful spiritual exertion. Worship is the act of a part identifying itself with the Whole; the finite with the Infinite; the son with the Father; time in the act of striking step with eternity. Worship is the act of the son's personal communion with the divine Father, the assumption of refreshing, creative, fraternal, and romantic attitudes by the human soul-spirit.

196.3.31 The great challenge to modern man is to achieve better communication with the divine Monitor that dwells within the human mind. Man’s greatest adventure in the flesh consists in the well-balanced and sane effort to advance the borders of self-consciousness out through the dim realms of embryonic soul-consciousness in a wholehearted effort to reach the borderland of spirit-consciousness — contact with the divine presence.


But how would you know or verify if you were truly 'super-thinking?' When we dream and receive symbols in our dream shouldn't we interpret that as a message from TA? How would we interpret them without any understanding of or training in symbols?

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 03:37 PM

But how would you know or verify if you were truly 'super-thinking?' When we dream and receive symbols in our dream shouldn't we interpret that as a message from TA? How would we interpret them without any understanding of or training in symbols?


True Worship is different than the worship you are probably thinking of. Picture the cosmos, and a mind within that cosmos called the cosmic mind. You can use this Cosmic Mind, which woulud sort of be like identifying with the cosmos. This cosmic mind is a objective consciousness. True Worship is probalby the best avenue IMO of accessing this cosmic mind. When you do experience identity with the universe and with god, you will unfailingly experience the presence of the Father :). Unfortunately "there are few mortals who utilize" this type of thinking, but with the urantia book and sincere effort you can get there, we all can :). We can all have an objective consciousness that experiences all of these realities in the urantia book, not just the thought adjuster.

I guess in summary the best way for you experience the Thought Adjuster is threw your quest of the Universal Father. If you truly desire to do his will in your life, you will eventually notice the adjuster leading you. Its all a matter of your free will :) and once you find the father threw worship in the supersciousness you will notice many other spiritual realities at the same time :).

Edited by boomshuka, 22 October 2012 - 03:41 PM.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:24 PM

True Worship is different than the worship you are probably thinking of. Picture the cosmos, and a mind within that cosmos called the cosmic mind. You can use this Cosmic Mind, which woulud sort of be like identifying with the cosmos. This cosmic mind is a objective consciousness. True Worship is probalby the best avenue IMO of accessing this cosmic mind. When you do experience identity with the universe and with god, you will unfailingly experience the presence of the Father :). Unfortunately "there are few mortals who utilize" this type of thinking, but with the urantia book and sincere effort you can get there, we all can :). We can all have an objective consciousness that experiences all of these realities in the urantia book, not just the thought adjuster.

I guess in summary the best way for you experience the Thought Adjuster is threw your quest of the Universal Father. If you truly desire to do his will in your life, you will eventually notice the adjuster leading you. Its all a matter of your free will :) and once you find the father threw worship in the supersciousness you will notice many other spiritual realities at the same time :).


There has to be a way to make the distinction between TA and non-TA inspired thoughts or communications, right? What about dreams TA transmits to us during sleep-state to communicate to or inspire us? In the Bible, it says to try the spirit, whether it is of God or something foreign to God. I think there even is a place in TUB that states it is prudent to err on the side of caution and not credit any communication or inspiration to TA than to run the risk of raising one to TA. In fact, I think the celestial author leaves room for us to decide if we want to do the interpretation, which leads me to this ---the thought crossed my mind about training myself to better read symbols, in the event TA communicates symbols to me in a dream, I would be more equipped to decipher it.

Edited by brooklyn_born, 22 October 2012 - 04:26 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:38 PM

The cosmic mind is an objective consciousness,within that consciousness you will begin to sense the adjuster leading you with a knowingness. It will be abundently clear to you.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:45 PM

As TUB was presented in modern "symbols" to us, what makes you think there are symbols foreign to you that should be learned for understanding your TA? More symbols just equal more confusion, eh? I don't think the cypher is needed as much as patience and persistant effort to live the truth you know today and by such effort and experience, you will know more tomorrow, no? Enlightment and progress in the circles is a becoming that takes much time. Your wish to "hear" and your will focused on such hearing and knowing while becoming will be rewarded....inch by inch, day by day, choice by choice. Hang in there fellow tadpole!! Legs and lungs are coming soon!!

(1208.2) 110:5.3 During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.

(1208.3) 110:5.4 While their mortal hosts are asleep, the Adjusters try to register their creations in the higher levels of the material mind, and some of your grotesque dreams indicate their failure to make efficient contact. The absurdities of dream life not only testify to pressure of unexpressed emotions but also bear witness to the horrible distortion of the representations of the spiritual concepts presented by the Adjusters. Your own passions, urges, and other innate tendencies translate themselves into the picture and substitute their unexpressed desires for the divine messages which the indwellers are endeavoring to put into the psychic records during unconscious sleep.

(1208.4) 110:5.5 It is extremely dangerous to postulate as to the Adjuster content of the dream life. The Adjusters do work during sleep, but your ordinary dream experiences are purely physiologic and psychologic phenomena. Likewise, it is hazardous to attempt the differentiation of the Adjusters’ concept registry from the more or less continuous and conscious reception of the dictations of mortal conscience. These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster’s expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity. Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 04:59 PM

As TUB was presented in modern "symbols" to us, what makes you think there are symbols foreign to you that should be learned for understanding your TA? More symbols just equal more confusion, eh? I don't think the cypher is needed as much as patience and persistant effort to live the truth you know today and by such effort and experience, you will know more tomorrow, no? Enlightment and progress in the circles is a becoming that takes much time. Your wish to "hear" and your will focused on such hearing and knowing while becoming will be rewarded....inch by inch, day by day, choice by choice. Hang in there fellow tadpole!! Legs and lungs are coming soon!!

(1208.2) 110:5.3 During the slumber season the Adjuster attempts to achieve only that which the will of the indwelt personality has previously fully approved by the decisions and choosings which were made during times of fully wakeful consciousness, and which have thereby become lodged in the realms of the supermind, the liaison domain of human and divine interrelationship.

(1208.3) 110:5.4 While their mortal hosts are asleep, the Adjusters try to register their creations in the higher levels of the material mind, and some of your grotesque dreams indicate their failure to make efficient contact. The absurdities of dream life not only testify to pressure of unexpressed emotions but also bear witness to the horrible distortion of the representations of the spiritual concepts presented by the Adjusters. Your own passions, urges, and other innate tendencies translate themselves into the picture and substitute their unexpressed desires for the divine messages which the indwellers are endeavoring to put into the psychic records during unconscious sleep.

(1208.4) 110:5.5 It is extremely dangerous to postulate as to the Adjuster content of the dream life. The Adjusters do work during sleep, but your ordinary dream experiences are purely physiologic and psychologic phenomena. Likewise, it is hazardous to attempt the differentiation of the Adjusters’ concept registry from the more or less continuous and conscious reception of the dictations of mortal conscience. These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster’s expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity. Remember, the influence of a Thought Adjuster is for the most part, though not wholly, a superconscious experience.

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You actually posted the passage I was referring to. What do you think about this specific point:

(1208.4) 110:5.5 ... These are problems which will have to be solved through individual discrimination and personal decision. But a human being would do better to err in rejecting an Adjuster’s expression through believing it to be a purely human experience than to blunder into exalting a reaction of the mortal mind to the sphere of divine dignity...

It sort of comes across as the Celestial is saying, hey, I do well to warn you to not interpret dreams however do so at your own risk. This is why I was entertaining the idea that perhaps one could train oneself to interpret symbols to better interpret a possible TA generated dream. Just a thought B)

Edited by brooklyn_born, 22 October 2012 - 05:00 PM.


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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:18 PM

Why do you think I posted it??!! Of course its the quote little brother. :D I am blessed not to have remembered dreams....just bits and pieces. One of my daughters has vivid, color, detailed, and "long" dreams she remembers (or misremembers, eh?) and she does not like it and she's always trying to figure out the "meaning" which I believe is impossible to decipher......if a shrink can't do it but the gypsy can, one must wonder, eh?. The dream state has much going on.....an interplay of fears, hopes, fantasies, last night's news or TV show, childhood memory, bits of movies or novels, etc. It's a giant catch can of miscelleneous trash and treasure and attachments and into this dumpster our TA is diving (I wonder if TAs go "YUCK"?).....what's the alternative? So I think we should take the warning and disclaimer very seriously. We do not need to have such clarity to progress. Over time and in morontial mind, we will get clearer and clearer signals....we tune the radio dial better and the TA sends a stronger and clearer signal as we and He both gain experience together. Just my opinion though. Peace.
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Posted 22 October 2012 - 05:37 PM

It sort of comes across as the Celestial is saying, hey, I do well to warn you to not interpret dreams however do so at your own risk. This is why I was entertaining the idea that perhaps one could train oneself to interpret symbols to better interpret a possible TA generated dream. Just a thought B)


Yea, there is an entire urantia book group offshoot that has mistaken their own thoughts for the T.A's. They are all crazy so just a heads up! hahahah! It is an easy way to lose your marbles lol.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:08 PM

Why do you think I posted it??!! Of course its the quote little brother. :D I am blessed not to have remembered dreams....just bits and pieces. One of my daughters has vivid, color, detailed, and "long" dreams she remembers (or misremembers, eh?) and she does not like it and she's always trying to figure out the "meaning" which I believe is impossible to decipher......if a shrink can't do it but the gypsy can, one must wonder, eh?. The dream state has much going on.....an interplay of fears, hopes, fantasies, last night's news or TV show, childhood memory, bits of movies or novels, etc. It's a giant catch can of miscelleneous trash and treasure and attachments and into this dumpster our TA is diving (I wonder if TAs go "YUCK"?).....what's the alternative? So I think we should take the warning and disclaimer very seriously. We do not need to have such clarity to progress. Over time and in morontial mind, we will get clearer and clearer signals....we tune the radio dial better and the TA sends a stronger and clearer signal as we and He both gain experience together. Just my opinion though. Peace.


I guess I can count you out for a game of Russian roulette! :D
In all seriousness, thanks for the words of advice, bros.

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 06:59 PM

This is also why u.b readers do not like all that channeling stuff, that stuff can make you go crazy pretty fast. Whether you think you hear your t.a or some other alien cellestial being it is dangerous never the less. lol

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Posted 22 October 2012 - 11:32 PM

Brother BB

Dont torcher yourself with dreams. TA contact can be done during wake state. And. You will know that he did :)
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Posted 23 October 2012 - 07:27 AM

Jesus said, "It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to feel the presence of God." (155:6.12) Jesus did not say, "It is not so important that you should know about the fact of God as that you should increasingly grow in the ability to interpret your dreams and hear God's voice."

TUB also tells us that Jesus is our example for developing a relationship with our Adjusters. We are told that he was able to develop that relationship to its fullest possible limit. And we are also told that we are fully capable of following his example. How did he do it? How did he accomplished this amazing feat, what was his secret? How did he live consciously in the presence of God? Well, certainly not by interpreting dreams or listening for voices, but through prayer and worship. He never once spoke of his dreams or put himself in a trance with hopes of hearing voices. Not once.

p2088:5, 196:0.10 The secret of his unparalleled religious life was this consciousness of the presence of God; and he attained it by intelligent prayer and sincere worship -- unbroken communion with God -- and not by leadings, voices, visions, or extraordinary religious practices.

In both dreams and trances the subconscious mind dominates. The Adjuster lives in the superconscious mind. How do you reach the borderlands of the superconscious? Despite thousands and thousands of years of mystical teaching from all the various religions, the truth is that it is NOT reached by dreams and trances. The superconscious mind is approached through intelligent prayer and sincere worship, both of which are forms of the highest and most spiritualized type of thinking. Only the pure mind can hear God's voice. And by pure, I mean perfect intent, perfect desire, perfect humility and perfect sincerity.

p1104:06 The divine spirit makes contact with mortal man, not by feelings or emotions, but in the realm of the highest and most spiritualized thinking. It is your thoughts, not your feelings, that lead you Godward. The divine nature may be perceived only with the eyes of the mind. But the mind that really discerns God, hears the indwelling Adjuster, is the pure mind. "Without holiness no man may see the Lord." All such inner and spiritual communion is termed spiritual insight. Such religious experiences result from the impress made upon the mind of man by the combined operations of the Adjuster and the Spirit of Truth as they function amid and upon the ideas, ideals, insights, and spirit strivings of the evolving sons of God.

Instead of worrying about dreams and hearing voices, work towards developing spiritual insight. Perfect your minds.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 06:34 PM

Read this again recently and remembered this topic. Thought it fascinating, a little disturbing even in that much seems to be known about each soul "to-come" or at least in its potential and the mind's/mortal's ancestry as well. A demonstration of time unit perspective I think too. To predict outcomes within potentials considering probabilities of outcome. Each Adjuster well knows their potential for fusion with each infasion of any mortal creature.

(1185.4) 108:1.2 Although we do not definitely know, we firmly believe that all Thought Adjusters are volunteers. But before ever they volunteer, they are in possession of full data respecting the candidate for indwelling. The seraphic drafts of ancestry and projected patterns of life conduct are transmitted via Paradise to the reserve corps of Adjusters on Divinington by the reflectivity technique extending inward from the capitals of the local universes to the headquarters of the superuniverses. This forecast covers not only the hereditary antecedents of the mortal candidate but also the estimate of probable intellectual endowment and spiritual capacity. The Adjusters thus volunteer to indwell minds of whose intimate natures they have been fully apprised.

(1186.1) 108:1.3 The volunteering Adjuster is particularly interested in three qualifications of the human candidate:



(1186.2) 108:1.4 1. Intellectual capacity. Is the mind normal? What is the intellectual potential, the intelligence capacity? Can the individual develop into a bona fide will creature? Will wisdom have an opportunity to function?

(1186.3) 108:1.5 2. Spiritual perception. The prospects of reverential development, the birth and growth of the religious nature. What is the potential of soul, the probable spiritual capacity of receptivity?

(1186.4) 108:1.6 3. Combined intellectual and spiritual powers. The degree to which these two endowments may possibly be associated, combined, so as to produce strength of human character and contribute to the certain evolution of an immortal soul of survival value.


(1186.5) 108:1.7 With these facts before them, it is our belief that the Monitors freely volunteer for assignment. Probably more than one Adjuster volunteers; perhaps the supervising personalized orders select from this group of volunteering Adjusters the one best suited to the task of spiritualizing and eternalizing the personality of the mortal candidate. (In the assignment and service of the Adjusters the sex of the creature is of no consideration.)

(1186.6) 108:1.8 The short time intervening between the volunteering and the actual dispatch of the Adjuster is presumably spent in the Divinington schools of the Personalized Monitors where a working pattern of the waiting mortal mind is utilized in instructing the assigned Adjuster as to the most effective plans for personality approach and mind spiritization. This mind model is formulated through a combination of data supplied by the superuniverse reflectivity service. At least this is our understanding, a belief which we hold as the result of putting together information secured by contact with many Personalized Adjusters throughout the long universe careers of the Solitary Messengers.
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