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The Lucifer Rebellion - Adjudication Time Frame. By Chuck Thurston

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Posted 18 August 2012 - 02:48 PM

The Lucifer Rebellion

Adjudication Time Frame


Establishing Realistic Expectations


"Be as wise as serpents..." - Jesus


Summer Study Session 2012, Chicago

Prepared by Chuck Thurston

(Updated)


Significant differences exist among students of the Urantia Book over the question of Caligastia's continuing career on our world. Some even believe that the Lucifer Rebellion has already been adjudicated.


The goal of this presentation is the clarification of these issues and their significance, according to the teachings that are provided within the Urantia Book. As we shall see, the authors of The Urantia Book warn us very clearly that Caligastia and Daligastia are going to be around for a long time to come.


With great care, they explain the universe policies that govern this state of affairs.


Why is this question important? Caligastia has made it his mission in the past to sabotage progressive planetary evolution. We have no reason to believe that his agenda has changed.


"It was one of the most profoundly shocking episodes of this rebellion for me to learn of the callous perfidy of one of my own order of sonship, Caligastia, who, in deliberation and with malice aforethought, systematically perverted the instruction and poisoned the teaching provided in all the Urantia planetary schools..." (50:4.12.)


"Although Caligastia and Daligastia had been deprived of much of their power for evil, they did everything possible to frustrate and hamper the work of preparing the Garden."

(73.2.5)


"Caligastia offered crafty and effective opposition to the Adamic mission..." (51.3.4)


"Though Jesus knew that the plan for his death had its origin in the councils of the rulers of the Jews, he was also aware that all such nefarious schemes had the full approval of Lucifer, Satan, and Caligastia." (183.0.4)


"...God in heaven did not will it, neither did the archenemies of Jesus dictate it, though they did much to insure that unthinking and evil mortals would thus reject the bestowal Son." (183.1.2)


But what about NOW? I think it is safe to assume that Caligastia will again attempt to “do much” to “insure” that the Fifth Epochal Revelation will ALSO be rejected, to whatever extent he can manage it.


To be “wise as serpents,” we must expect that he will have a “crafty and effective” plan to “systematically pervert the instruction” and “poison the teaching” that we have been given in the Urantia Book.


Given that this would probably be one of his highest priorities, we must then wonder if he has the power to carry out his evil schemes, and what his methods might be.


We know that he is no longer “god of Urantia.” His power and influence have been tremendously curtailed since the days when he was the absolute ruler of this world.


“...this rebel of the realm, shorn of all power to harm his former subjects, awaits the final adjudication, by the Uversa Ancients of Days..." (66:8.7)


Does this mean that Caligastia is completely powerless? To be consistent with other descriptions of his current status, this must be referring only to the fact that he is no longer able to directly approach normal human individuals — "his former subjects."


For example, we also have this statement:


"Caligastia has been comparatively impotent since the cross of Christ." (53.8.9)


This is not saying that his influence is totally meaningless or insignificant. It was greatly restricted following Michael’s bestowal, especially by the release of the Spirit of Truth and the universal gift of Thought Adjusters. But he is still a Lanonandek Son of superhuman brilliance.


We have been given personal assurances.


For example: "Even before Michael's bestowal on Urantia, neither Caligastia nor Daligastia was ever able to oppress mortals or to coerce any normal individual into doing anything against the human will." (66:8.6)


But even these assurances are not without qualification:


"Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince... has absolutely no power to enter the minds of men, neither can he draw near to their souls to tempt or corrupt them unless they really desire to be cursed with his wicked presence." (53.8.6)


Here is another: "...since the day of Pentecost this traitorous Caligastia and his equally contemptible associate, Daligastia, are servile before the divine majesty of the Paradise Thought Adjusters..." (53.8.7)


But we also know that humans can be abandoned by their Adjusters :


"Spiritual (soul) death. If and when mortal man has finally rejected survival, when he has been pronounced spiritually insolvent, morontially bankrupt… thereupon do the rulers of Orvonton order the immediate release of the indwelling Monitor… This kind of death is final in its significance irrespective of the temporary continuation of the living energies of the physical and mind mechanisms…" (112.3.2)


Audience with Caligastia, in his immediate personal presence, would thus be a possible “reward” for achieving such a state. These mortals could be highly intelligent and highly functioning while they “temporarily continue” in positions of power and influence, acting as human proxies for Caligastia.


“...this release of the Adjuster in no way affects the duties of the personal or group seraphim concerned with that Adjuster-abandoned individual.” (112.3.2)


In other words, Adjuster-abandoned mortals are still active in the affairs of the world. Rejection of survival causes no impairment to mind or body.


The personality continues to function while the body and mind remain alive, but it merges with the Supreme after physical death...


“...Having appeared in response to the Father's will, personality will attain Deity destiny, but man must choose whether or not he will be present at the attainment of such destiny. In default of such choice, personality attains experiential Deity directly, becoming a part of the Supreme Being. The cycle is foreordained, but man's participation therein is optional, personal, and experiential.” (112:5.2)


Soul death is really soul suicide.


It is the result of a fully conscious act of will.


Rejection of survival during the mortal lifetime requires a deliberate, final and irrevocable decision.


“...all will creatures are to experience one true opportunity to make one undoubted, selfconscious, and final choice.” (112:5.9)


These passages are telling us that it is indeed still quite possible for humans to join Caligastia's cause and assist with his “nefarious designs” — even if it requires the death of one’s soul.


He is completely free to establish strategic alliances with humans — or groups of humans — who knowingly desire his intoxicating superhuman presence and his seductive influence. Being the deceiver that he is, Caligastia would probably be the last to point out the eternal consequences of submitting to his diabolical leadership.


Soul death, however, might not seem like such a high price to humans who already deny the Father’s existence and do not believe in the possibility of an afterlife.


In addition to these direct methods of influence, we have also been warned about Caligastia's ability to work through "blind agents" — sincere individuals who believe they are doing the right thing, as in the case of Serapatatia:


“Serapatatia... was entirely honest and thoroughly sincere in all of his activities; he was never conscious, even later on, that he was being used as a circumstantial tool of the wily Caligastia." (75.3.3)


Caligastia may be iniquitous, but he is not stupid. He is not likely to waste his time on trivial or inconsequential mischief, except insofar as it creates misdirection and confusion regarding his presence and real purposes.


“...The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him.” (53:8.9)


Nonetheless, the seductive brilliance of his diabolical schemes and deceptions — and the power, wealth and other unfair advantages that he could thereby offer — could easily be an overpowering temptation for susceptible individuals.


But we can expect that he would be VERY shrewd and cunning in his selection of human collaborators, whether witting or unwitting. Absolute secrecy would no doubt be a critical requirement for those who wish to knowingly join his camp, and he would likewise be sure to conceal his real purposes from his human "friends."


Caligastia has had lots of practice working with humans:


"...It was likewise easy to win the support of the primitive-minded evolutionary mortals." (67.4.6)


This brings us to the BIG question:


How long are Caligastia and Daligastia going to be around?


While The Urantia Book does not offer a precise prediction as to the overall time frame of the adjudication of the Lucifer Rebellion, the authors do give us clear statements of the issues involved and the conditions that must be met prior to final adjudication, along with several estimates of the amount of time that will likely be required.


Confusion over the adjudication question seems to grow out of the fact that the rebellion found support on three distinctly different levels:


1) The Satania system worlds

2) The superhuman administration of evolutionary worlds

3) Mortal affairs on the evolutionary worlds


Statements in the Urantia Book that refer to the status of the rebellion must always be interpreted with these three possibilities in mind.


For example, from the point of view of a Melchizedek, the rebellion "...ends on the fallen worlds as fast as divine Sons arrive." (53:9.7)


This is true, but only with regard to the superhuman administration of those worlds, which does, of course, assure the eventual outcome on the mortal level.


We find a similar perspective in this statement from Paper 134:


"And when Jesus came down from his sojourn on Mount Hermon, the Lucifer rebellion in Satania and the Caligastia secession on Urantia were virtually settled." (134:8.9)


"...There on Mount Hermon, as an unaided mortal of the realm, he had met and defeated the Urantia pretender, Caligastia, the prince of this world. That eventful day, on the universe records, Jesus of Nazareth had become the Planetary Prince of Urantia." (136:3.1)


Jesus ended the rebellion on this world, administratively speaking, when he confronted the rebels on Mount Hermon and became our new Planetary Prince.


Caligastia was finally stripped of all standing and authority, and all of his superhuman supporters (apart from Daligastia) were removed from the planet.


"...during the life of Michael in the flesh, this traitorous Prince was finally shorn of all authority on Urantia.” (66:8.5)


"The entire group of rebel midwayers is at present held prisoner by order of the Most Highs of Edentia.” (77:7.8)


"...the rebel cherubim and seraphim who also were on earth up to the time of Christ's death and resurrection.” (77:7.4)


It was at this time that the Jerusem commission of twenty-four former Urantians was established by Michael, to be his representation on the quarantined worlds.


“One of this council is now always resident on Urantia as resident governor general.”(114:1.1)


The installation of a loyal superhuman administration on a mortal sphere, however, does not instantly or arbitrarily change human thinking or human sympathies. Human free will is never violated or suppressed by higher universe authority.


Human participation in the Lucifer Rebellion is given unrestricted opportunity for expression, even under the auspices of a loyal superhuman administration.


As the Son of Man, Jesus achieved and demonstrated the human defeat of universe rebellion. The final termination of the rebellion on our world now only awaits a future time when ALL humans freely choose to do likewise.


But this is not expected until far into the distant future, as we shall see.


The attempt by the rebels to corrupt Michael's bestowal mission did bring an end to all sympathy on the Satania system worlds, thus bringing the rebellion to an end at the system level.


"...Subsequent to their effort to corrupt Michael when in the bestowal flesh, all sympathy for Lucifer and Satan has perished throughout all Satania, that is, outside the isolated worlds of sin." (53:8.2)


The rebellion ended at the system level because the rebel leaders lost all sympathy and support.


HUMAN sympathy for the leaders of the rebellion, however, has NOT come to an end, which is why the rebellion is still ongoing on the mortal level.


"The bestowal of Michael terminated the Lucifer rebellion in all Satania aside from the planets of the apostate Planetary Princes." (53.8.3 )


The leaders of the rebellion on this world must therefor remain free:


"Caligastia, your apostate Planetary Prince, is still free on Urantia to prosecute his nefarious designs..." (53.8.6)


"Matters will undoubtedly rest as they now are until the entire Lucifer rebellion is finally adjudicated and the fate of all participants decreed." (67.4.5)


Caligastia and Daligastia know that the rebellion on the mortal level is the only remaining factor prolonging their lives. It is in their interest to keep it going for as long as possible.


Meanwhile, the rulers of the universe are not arbitrarily delaying adjudication:


"Shortsighted and time-bound mortal minds should be slow to criticize the time delays of the farseeing and all-wise administrators of universe affairs." (54.6.8)


The adjudication process is governed by unchanging universe policy, which requires the complete ending of ALL sympathy for the rebel leaders and their seductive sophistries:


"...the Ancients of Days refuse to annihilate any being until all moral values and all spiritual realities are extinct, both in the evildoer and in all related supporters and possible sympathizers.” (54:3.3)


"The Faithful of Days on Edentia advised the Constellation Fathers to allow the rebels free course to the end that all sympathy for these evildoers should be the sooner uprooted in the hearts of every present and future citizen of Norlatiadek — every mortal, morontia, or spirit creature." (54.5.9)


Note that this includes ALL mortals — present and future — not only on Urantia, but on all the rebellion planets in Satania.


"To keep open the Paradise doors of ascension to the beings of Norlatiadek, it was necessary to provide for the full development of rebellion and to insure the complete determination of attitude on the part of all beings in any way concerned therewith." (54.5.10)


Deliberate, purposeful evil and conscious denial of the Father's existence are obviously still very much in play on this planet.


Both are expressions of false liberty derived from the Lucifer Manifesto.


Both are applauded by Caligastia.


Purposeful, calculated evil is NOT in the same category with ordinary evolutionary evil, like greed, selfishness, revenge, aggravated violence, shortsighted passions, etc.


Deliberate evil crosses the line into sin and iniquity, in the Urantia Book’s meaning of these terms.


Jesus explains it this way:


"Evil is inherent in the natural order of this world, but sin is an attitude of conscious rebellion which was brought to this world by those who fell from spiritual light into gross darkness." (148.4.6)


And this is the divine response:


"The Divine Minister of Salvington issued as her third independent proclamation a mandate directing that nothing be done to half cure, cowardly suppress, or otherwise hide the hideous visage of rebels and rebellion. The angelic hosts were directed to work for full disclosure and unlimited opportunity for sin-expression as the quickest technique of achieving the perfect and final cure of the plague of evil and sin." (54.5.11)


Arbitrarily removing Caligastia and Daligastia prior to achieving the "perfect and final cure" (while they are still able to enlist human sympathy) would obviously NOT be consistent with this policy.


So how long will it take to reach this "perfect and final cure"?


How long will it be before sin and iniquity can no longer be found on Urantia?


"...the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken." (53.8.4)


The following passages suggest that this "fullness of time" could take anywhere from 100,000 to 800,000 years of Urantia time, perhaps reaching even to a “future age” when our planet is on the threshold of Light and Life...


"...And yet that would be nearer a comparison with the length of Lucifer's life even if his adjudication, now begun, should not be completed for a hundred thousand Urantia years..." (54.5.13)


The next two passages, when combined, suggest 800,000 years...


"...The entire Uversa corps of counselors concurred in advising Gabriel to permit the rebellion to take its full and natural course, even if it should require a million years to wind up the consequences." (54.5.12)


"...the case of Gabriel vs. Lucifer, placed on the records of the Uversa supreme court almost two hundred thousand years ago, as you reckon time.” (53.9.3)


1,000,000 years (total time estimate)
minus 200,000 years (elapsed time so far)
= 800,000 years.

And we also have this statement:


"... It is altogether possible that, in some future age when Urantia is approaching the era of light and life, after the affairs of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia secession have been finally adjudicated, we may witness..." (93.10.8)


Urantia "approaching the era of light and life" is consistent with the distant reaches of time suggested by the other two estimates.


The authors would not use the word "finally" if such a development could be anticipated anytime soon.


Additional justification for allowing Caligastia to remain so long on the planet is provided by the following explanation...


"...The passing of time has enhanced the consequential good to be derived from the Lucifer folly; and since the evil to be penalized was quite fully developed within a comparatively short time, it is apparent that the all-wise and farseeing universe rulers would be certain to extend the time in which to reap increasingly beneficial results...”


“Regardless of the many additional reasons for delaying the apprehension and adjudication of the Satania rebels, this one gain would have been enough to explain why these sinners were not sooner interned, and why they have not been adjudicated and destroyed." (54.6.7)


Meanwhile, the "increasing beneficial results" from allowing Caligastia to remain on the planet far outweigh any short-term advantage that might be gained by having him removed arbitrarily, prior to the final outworking of these problems.


One of the remarkable outcomes of the Lucifer fiasco will be the development of a civilization on this world that is thoroughly resistant to universe rebellion.


Urantia will eventually reach Light and Life in spite of the counter-efforts of a rebellious former Planetary Prince and his human supporters.


Living in the presence of rebellion is apparently seen as a rare and valuable type of experience within the overall scheme of things.


It provides effective inoculation against any possibility of future rebellion.


Countless Urantians will carry this powerful wisdom, individually, through all future time and eternity.



Original Version: http://www.truememes...djudication.pdf

Spanish Version: http://www.librodeur...4224#entry39007


Edited by Jeannie Vazquez, 22 August 2012 - 12:39 PM.


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Posted 19 August 2012 - 03:57 AM

Excellent essay, thanks for posting it Jeannie. It's obvious to in-depth readers like Chuck the very last thing Father wants to do is execute one of his sons. That he won't do it until every avenue of redemption is total exhausted, and until every one who follows him has either given themselves up completely and irredeemably to evil, or repented. Given God's almost interminable patience and merciful attitude, it could be hundreds of thousands of years until all confusion and rebellion is over and done.

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Posted 19 August 2012 - 11:44 AM

"...An audience with Caligastia, in his immediate personal presence, would thus be a possible “reward” for achieving such a state. These mortals could be highly intelligent and highly functioning while they “temporarily continue” in positions of power and influence, acting as human proxies for Caligastia.

In other words, I believe these passages are telling us that it is indeed still quite possible for humans to join Caligastia's cause and assist with his "nefarious designs."

He is completely free to establish strategic alliances with humans — or groups of humans — who knowingly desire his intoxicating superhuman presence and his seductive influence. Being the deceiver that he is, Caligastia would probably be the last to point out the eternal consequences of submitting to his diabolical leadership. Soul death, in any case, might not seem a high price to humans who already deny the Father’s existence and do not believe in the possibility of an afterlife.

In addition to these direct methods of influence, we have also been warned about Caligastia's ability to work through "blind agents" — sincere individuals who believe they are doing the right thing, as in the case of Serapatatia:

“Serapatatia... was entirely honest and thoroughly sincere in all of his activities; he was never conscious, even later on,that he was being used as a circumstantial tool of the wily Caligastia." (75.3.3)

Caligastia may be iniquitous, but he is not stupid. He is not likely to waste his time on trivial or inconsequential mischief, except insofar as it creates misdirection and confusion regarding his presence and real purposes.

“...The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him.” (53:8.9)

Nonetheless, the seductive brilliance of his diabolical schemes and deceptions — and the power, wealth and other unfair advantages that he could thereby offer — could easily be an overpowering temptation for susceptible individuals.

But we can expect that he would be VERY shrewd and cunning in his selection of human collaborators, whether witting or unwitting. Absolute secrecy would no doubt be a critical requirement for those who wish to knowingly join his camp, and he would likewise be sure to conceal his real purposes from his human "friends."

Caligastia has had lots of practice working with humans:

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Not only was Serapataia a BLIND AGENT, Caligastia employed "cutouts" to enshroud his nefarious plans in the person of CATO, who carried on the actual persuasion of Eve, and when the "oft repeated warnings"(by the Soul of Peace-Seraphim Vevona) "not to commingle good and evil" were forgotten, then he introduced the beautiful Serapatatia, who actually seduced and defiled the Material Daughter.

P.842 - §6 Every time the Garden pair had partaken of the fruit of the tree of life, they had been warned by the archangel custodian to refrain from yielding to the suggestions of Caligastia to combine good and evil. They had been thus admonished: "In the day that you commingle good and evil, you shall surely become as the mortals of the realm; you shall surely die."

Eve had told Cano of this oft-repeated warning on the fateful occasion of their secret meeting, but Cano, not knowing the import or significance of such admonitions, had assured her that men and women with good motives and true intentions could do no evil; that she should surely not die but rather live anew in the person of their offspring, who would grow up to bless and stabilize the world.


(Reading the Urantia Book,one learns the progressive definition of Evil, Sin and Iniquity. We are all evil (imperfect), we need not sin, which done habitually leads to iniquity (cosmic insanity/soul death).)


My point is simply that one can be perfectly sincere and aid and abet great evil and sin by others.


Caligastia seeks nothing less than to deprive those presently living and all those to come, of the supernal privilege of making the Paradise ascent to perfection. He has sought to accomplish this goal by thwarting all the Epochal Revelations we have received on Urantia, including the latest, the Fifth, the Urantia Book.



In my view, this goal can be furthered by confusion and mis- representation of the text by (possibly sincere folks) proclaiming that:


THE LUCIFER REBELLION HAS ENDED!!

By saying that Gabriel v. Lucifer has been adjudicated in the courts of the Ancients of Days and that, finally:


THE CIRCUITS ARE OPEN!!


And, of course, since the "circuits" are open, some of us more sensitive or privileged than others, are receiving new messages.
Then the cult that grows from such perfidy will find slothful souls (unwilling to do the work of READING the revelation) who prefer to "be told" ABOUT this revelation of epochal significance.


Witness what happened to the last Epochal Revelation, the Fourth, the Bestowal upon Urantia of a Paradise Son of God ( with the full measure of DIVINITY that the Universal Father would bring if He were present. ((well, he was present, but we won't go into that now...))



And so, under the vigorous leadership of Peter and ere the Master ascended to the Father, his well-meaning representatives began that subtle process of gradually and certainly changing the religion of Jesus into a new and modified form of religion about Jesus. (2051) Here are some adjective the book uses to characterize this "slip" revelation insight and understanding:

"Occidentalized" (lost universal appeal)
"well meaning...subtle...gradual... changing"
"men experience secondhand..." "as handed down by their accepted religious teachers."
"founded almost exclusively on the personal religious experience of the Apostle Paul."

And the church which bears Jesus name experienced:
Hellenization
paganization
secularization
institutionalization
intellectual deterioration
spiritual decadence
moral hibernation
threatened extinction
later rejuvenation
fragmentation
and more recent relative rehabilitation

"and now stands face to face with a struggle for existence which is even more ominous than those eventful crises which have characterized its past battles for dominance."



The Urantia Book would have been cosmic and uplifting with just three parts, but it would have been a symphony without a finale, incomplete. The approval of the United Midwayer's Petition for inclusion of their work, "The Life and Teachings of Jesus," gives us a work that gives Man what he needs most, "to know the life of Jesus and how He lived it."

Looking back at what was done with our last great revelation from "on high," I hope we can (and will) do everything possible to preserve the Supreme potential of this great gift from Michael, and avoid some of the same mistakes made in the past.This means following the Truth Spirit mindfully where it leads and valiantly resisting those modern day revisionists who would claim supposed knowledge and authority from "on high," who really wish to exalt themselves above the Gods and their Plan for Progressive Mortal Attainment.


Love,
Bill
Slowly but surely the Power of Love is overcoming the Love of Power

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 02:21 PM

I am confused about a few aspects of Thurston's article (from Urantia) and would be interested on some feedback on the topics below:

1. The time calculation estimated by Thurston seems to show that the "fullness of time" could take 100 to 800,000 years. Unless I misunderstood, he seems to indicate that the 800,000 years have now past. Does that mean that the quarintine may have ended and that the circuits have possibly opened? I'm not clear on this.

2. I have many concerns regarding the recognition of rebellious beings. His article mentions that they (Caligastia)" seek an "audience, acting as human proxies..to establish strategic alliances with humans (or groups), to work through blind agents (sincere individuals trying to do the right thing). He (Caligastia) uses misdirection and confusion regarding his real purposes and will conceal his real puposes from this human" friends"

Based on this summary, it seems that we are not safe to seek any spiritual connections, without encountering rebellious beings. I think about the UFO phenominon and worry about whether most of these are manifestations of rebellious beings or whether they are our unseen friends from the seraphic planetary government. How would you know the difference? With all these deceptions, how will we ever recognize our true friends? As we progress spiritually, do we fear the unknown or the "new earth/5th demintional" transitions that the new age community have been discussing OR is that also a deception? If the circuits are open, do we have anything to fear?

If you have any insight or thoughts on this, please let me know. thanks.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:04 PM

. . . do we have anything to fear?


NO, nothing at all.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 05:30 PM

NO, nothing at all.


Bonita,

Does that mean that you believe the circuits have been opened? Otherwise, I would think that we still have something to fear, regarding the deceptive influences of Caligastia.

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Posted 14 October 2012 - 06:01 PM

Does that mean that you believe the circuits have been opened? Otherwise, I would think that we still have something to fear, regarding the deceptive influences of Caligastia.


Hi!

As Bonita said : "No, nothing at all"
The following quotes are very significant. What you ask depends only you, your beliefs and what you feel affinity.


(610.4) 53:8.8 But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: “He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not.”

(610.5) 53:8.9 In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparativelyimpotent since the cross of Christ.



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Posted 14 October 2012 - 07:35 PM

Hi marisa33,

Jesus has an answer. His watchword is "Fear not". What does that mean? Does that mean it's okay to walk alone down a dark alley late night because he said Fear not? No! That would be stupid! It least a more mature person, as opposed to a youngster, would know better. Common sense will keep you out of dark alleys, but there are other issues such as those you raise which need to be processed mentally - in your mind - and spiritually in order to find the peace you seek. That's why I turn to Jesus, and, Jesus turned everything over to God, our Father. As you will read below, the teachings of Jesus have been grossly perverted over the centuries.


Jesus did not attack the teachings of the Hebrew prophets or the Greek moralists. The Master recognized the many good things which these great teachers stood for, but he had come down to earth to teach something additional, "the voluntary conformity of man's will to God's will." Jesus did not want simply to produce a religious man, a mortal wholly occupied with religious feelings and actuated only by spiritual impulses. Could you have had but one look at him, you would have known that Jesus was a real man of great experience in the things of this world. The teachings of Jesus in this respect have been grossly perverted and much misrepresented all down through the centuries of the Christian era; you have also held perverted ideas about the Master's meekness and humility. What he aimed at in his life appears to have been a superb self-respect. He only advised man to humble himself that he might become truly exalted; what he really aimed at was true humility toward God. He placed great value upon sincerity--a pure heart. Fidelity was a cardinal virtue in his estimate of character, while courage was the very heart of his teachings. "Fear not" was his watchword, and patient endurance his ideal of strength of character. The teachings of Jesus constitute a religion of valor, courage, and heroism. And this is just why he chose as his personal representatives twelve commonplace men, the majority of whom were rugged, virile, and manly fishermen. P.1582 - §1





Regarding evil spirits we're informed:

On no world can evil spirits possess any mortal mind subsequent to the life of a Paradise bestowal Son. P.863 - §6





Jesus "combined the stalwart and intelligent courage of a full grown man with the sincere and trusting optimism of a believing child."

In the earthly life of Jesus, religion was a living experience, a direct and personal movement from spiritual reverence to practical righteousness. The faith of Jesus bore the transcendent fruits of the divine spirit. His faith was not immature and credulous like that of a child, but in many ways it did resemble the unsuspecting trust of the child mind. Jesus trusted God much as the child trusts a parent. He had a profound confidence in the universe--just such a trust as the child has in its parental environment. Jesus' wholehearted faith in the fundamental goodness of the universe very much resembled the child's trust in the security of its earthly surroundings. He depended on the heavenly Father as a child leans upon its earthly parent, and his fervent faith never for one moment doubted the certainty of the heavenly Father's overcare. He was not disturbed seriously by fears, doubts, and skepticism. Unbelief did not inhibit the free and original expression of his life. He combined the stalwart and intelligent courage of a full-grown man with the sincere and trusting optimism of a believing child. His faith grew to such heights of trust that it was devoid of fear. P.2089 - §1





Do you think there are false gods? Man-made deities? Looking for a guru? Better to stick with the Father of all fathers and discover His will for you every living moment.


The philosophic elimination of religious fear and the steady progress of science add greatly to the mortality of false gods; and even though these casualties of man-made deities may momentarily befog the spiritual vision, they eventually destroy that ignorance and superstition which so long obscured the living God of eternal love. The relation between the creature and the Creator is a living experience, a dynamic religious faith, which is not subject to precise definition. To isolate part of life and call it religion is to disintegrate life and to distort religion. And this is just why the God of worship claims all allegiance or none. P.1124 - §3




I'm sticking with the UB, as the information there nourishes me and lifts me up. I read other material, but for me nothing compares to big blue.



All the very best,
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Posted 14 October 2012 - 09:32 PM

Bonita,

Does that mean that you believe the circuits have been opened? Otherwise, I would think that we still have something to fear, regarding the deceptive influences of Caligastia.


What scares you about Caligastia? He's impotent, especially if your heart is in the right place. Why do you care about circuits? They have nothing to do with your soul and nothing to do with Caligastia either. God is within. Where exactly are you looking for him?

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 01:27 AM

2. I have many concerns regarding the recognition of rebellious beings. His article mentions that they (Caligastia)" seek an "audience, acting as human proxies..to establish strategic alliances with humans (or groups), to work through blind agents (sincere individuals trying to do the right thing). He (Caligastia) uses misdirection and confusion regarding his real purposes and will conceal his real puposes from this human" friends"


Hello Marisa,

listen to your heart and soul. TA will tell you what is right. Do you know the feelling in your guts that something is not right?
When you feel that that is your TA worning you. But he will not stop you to do something stupid.
With time it gets easier and you discern what is right very easily. Like one more normal thing in dayly routine.

peace
Peace be upon you

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 06:49 AM

Does that mean that you believe the circuits have been opened?


Why do you care about circuits?


As Bonita said, "so what?" The one who designed and built Nebadon's circuits is already here.

Is it more wonderful to have some cable guy hook us back into a celestial CNN so we can hear messages from the boss, or to have the boss himself come over? Well, that's the good news: the boss himself, Michael of Nebadon, came over. And once we invite him in, the more important circuit -- of love -- lights up. Remember, our Adjuster is the Father's love incarnate in our soul (1176.2, 107:0.2), Michael is love made manifest, and our personality just happens to run on love, the power of the personality circuit.

Personally, I'm not all that fussed if or when the local web gets switched back on. The human adventure, of personalizing an Adjuster, is much more thrilling. Daily broadcasts from Jerusem would soon become just a distraction (like CNN) from the more important (and exhilarating!) business at hand.

"Fear not."

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 08:40 AM

It may be a surprise to some, but I doubt we will hardly notice anything happening at all when the quarantine is lifted, just like we hardly noticed anything happening when our Adjusters arrived. In fact, if you have an Adjuster, then you already have access to these circuits. It has much to do with capacity for receptivity, Adjuster attunement and spiritual insight.

110:4.1 Adjusters are able to receive the continuous stream of cosmic intelligence coming in over the master circuits of time and space; they are in full touch with the spirit intelligence and energy of the universes. But these mighty indwellers are unable to transmit very much of this wealth of wisdom and truth to the minds of their mortal subjects because of the lack of commonness of nature and the absence of responsive recognition.

This notion that communication circuits have something to do with the strength of evil or the presence or potency of an evil personality truly bewilders me. What is going on these minds? Where are their cosmic intuitions, their faith in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth and Adjusters? Why such shallow comittment to our heavenly helpers?

Honestly, the only circuit of concern to us should be the spirit gravity circuit. This is the circuit that pulls us Godward, and it has not been affected by anything or anyone. This is the prayer circuit. And how about the living vine, Michael himself? I absolutely cannot understand why anyone would have one iota of concern about quarantines and closed communication circuits. It's all a bunch of malarky designed to drum up hysteria over nothing, absolutely NOTHING.

7.1.7 Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit.

The purpose of quarantine is to isolate planets from one another, not from God. Who cares if we can't communicate with a nearby planet? It really doesn't matter what happens on other planets; it only matters what happens to our souls. All the hype and hysteria over aliens is merely a distraction from the real work of the mind, body and soul, which should be everyone's highest concern. Why people waste their time supplying high ratings to TV shows, websites and publications by paying attention to their UFO claptrap never ceases to amaze me. Why not give equal time to prayer and boost the ratings of God's channel instead? Just sayin'

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:06 AM

Hi Bonita,

Thurston's article explains that "Caligastia deceives and goes after sincere individuals who believe they are doing the right thing". So, are you saying that this is just a bunch of "malarky" that we shouldn't care about? Thing is, it's going on with sincere urantia students. They are not untintelligent/ungodly people who don't pray or aknowledge their thought adjusters guidance.

Your quote: "This notion that communication circuits have something to do with the strength of evil or the presence or potency of an evil personality truly bewilders me". "What is going on these minds? Why such shallow comittment to our heavenly helpers? "...... Does that mean that things that are going on all around us and affecting many people are unworthy of understanding? People who are acknowledging or experiencing this are "shallow"? If one is experiencing this, isn't it wise to analyse what Thurston's article is telling us? Why would he waist time on this article if it wasn't worthy of concern.

Your quote: "Why people waste their time paying attention to UFO claptrap never ceases to amaze me. "Why not give equal time to prayer and boost the ratings of God instead?" .... Does that mean that people who are acknowledging the events happening all around us are not Praying and focused on god? That couldn't be further from the truth. Many are very spiritual and very focused on god. Just because it many not have been your experience, does not mean that it is not happening on a wide scale to others. Isn't it wise to attempt to understand how it fits in with the heavently father's plan? Do we just stick our heads in the sand and ignore that it's happening.

Thurston even put a calculation of time frame mathematically. Why was he interested in this if it's a waist of time, unimportant and malarky?

Thanks.



It may be a surprise to some, but I doubt we will hardly notice anything happening at all when the quarantine is lifted, just like we hardly noticed anything happening when our Adjusters arrived. In fact, if you have an Adjuster, then you already have access to these circuits. It has much to do with capacity for receptivity, Adjuster attunement and spiritual insight.

110:4.1 Adjusters are able to receive the continuous stream of cosmic intelligence coming in over the master circuits of time and space; they are in full touch with the spirit intelligence and energy of the universes. But these mighty indwellers are unable to transmit very much of this wealth of wisdom and truth to the minds of their mortal subjects because of the lack of commonness of nature and the absence of responsive recognition.

This notion that communication circuits have something to do with the strength of evil or the presence or potency of an evil personality truly bewilders me. What is going on these minds? Where are their cosmic intuitions, their faith in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth and Adjusters? Why such shallow comittment to our heavenly helpers?

Honestly, the only circuit of concern to us should be the spirit gravity circuit. This is the circuit that pulls us Godward, and it has not been affected by anything or anyone. This is the prayer circuit. And how about the living vine, Michael himself? I absolutely cannot understand why anyone would have one iota of concern about quarantines and closed communication circuits. It's all a bunch of malarky designed to drum up hysteria over nothing, absolutely NOTHING.

7.1.7 Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit.

The purpose of quarantine is to isolate planets from one another, not from God. Who cares if we can't communicate with a nearby planet? It really doesn't matter what happens on other planets; it only matters what happens to our souls. All the hype and hysteria over aliens is merely a distraction from the real work of the mind, body and soul, which should be everyone's highest concern. Why people waste their time supplying high ratings to TV shows, websites and publications by paying attention to their UFO claptrap never ceases to amaze me. Why not give equal time to prayer and boost the ratings of God's channel instead? Just sayin'

It may be a surprise to some, but I doubt we will hardly notice anything happening at all when the quarantine is lifted, just like we hardly noticed anything happening when our Adjusters arrived. In fact, if you have an Adjuster, then you already have access to these circuits. It has much to do with capacity for receptivity, Adjuster attunement and spiritual insight.

110:4.1 Adjusters are able to receive the continuous stream of cosmic intelligence coming in over the master circuits of time and space; they are in full touch with the spirit intelligence and energy of the universes. But these mighty indwellers are unable to transmit very much of this wealth of wisdom and truth to the minds of their mortal subjects because of the lack of commonness of nature and the absence of responsive recognition.

This notion that communication circuits have something to do with the strength of evil or the presence or potency of an evil personality truly bewilders me. What is going on these minds? Where are their cosmic intuitions, their faith in the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth and Adjusters? Why such shallow comittment to our heavenly helpers?

Honestly, the only circuit of concern to us should be the spirit gravity circuit. This is the circuit that pulls us Godward, and it has not been affected by anything or anyone. This is the prayer circuit. And how about the living vine, Michael himself? I absolutely cannot understand why anyone would have one iota of concern about quarantines and closed communication circuits. It's all a bunch of malarky designed to drum up hysteria over nothing, absolutely NOTHING.

7.1.7 Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit.

The purpose of quarantine is to isolate planets from one another, not from God. Who cares if we can't communicate with a nearby planet? It really doesn't matter what happens on other planets; it only matters what happens to our souls. All the hype and hysteria over aliens is merely a distraction from the real work of the mind, body and soul, which should be everyone's highest concern. Why people waste their time supplying high ratings to TV shows, websites and publications by paying attention to their UFO claptrap never ceases to amaze me. Why not give equal time to prayer and boost the ratings of God's channel instead? Just sayin'



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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:35 AM

Much, very much, of the difficulty which Urantia mortals have in understanding God is due to the far-reaching consequences of the Lucifer rebellion and the Caligastia betrayal. On worlds not segregated by sin, the evolutionary races are able to formulate far better ideas of the Universal Father; they suffer less from confusion, distortion, and perversion of concept. P.58 - §1




Here's some good news:

Like the material gravity of Paradise, the spiritual gravity of the Eternal Son is absolute. Sin and rebellion may interfere with the operation of local universe circuits, but nothing can suspend the spirit gravity of the Eternal Son. The Lucifer rebellion produced many changes in your system of inhabited worlds and on Urantia, but we do not observe that the resultant spiritual quarantine of your planet in the least affected the presence and function of either the omnipresent spirit of the Eternal Son or the associated spirit-gravity circuit. P.82 - §6



Regarding the rebellion, something happened in Lucifer's mind. The revelators say it was self-pride and self deception occurring in his mind. If a being of such brilliance with a dazzling personality can self-deceive, how easy for us lowly mortals to cave in to our own ideas of self-pride and self-deception! It's easy to contemplate ideas of one's own self-importance and conjure up one's own ideas of one's specialness isn't it? And when someone has a dazzling personality, it is easy to be swayed and sweet-talked into believing outrageous things isn't it? Unless you have the courage to think through such matters for oneself, and resist being duped either by a book or by what someone else is promulgating.

It is very difficult to point out the exact cause or causes which finally culminated in the Lucifer rebellion. We are certain of only one thing, and that is: Whatever these first beginnings were, they had their origin in Lucifer's mind. There must have been a pride of self that nourished itself to the point of self-deception, so that Lucifer for a time really persuaded himself that his contemplation of rebellion was actually for the good of the system, if not of the universe. By the time his plans had developed to the point of disillusionment, no doubt he had gone too far for his original and mischief-making pride to permit him to stop. At some point in this experience he became insincere, and evil evolved into deliberate and willful sin. That this happened is proved by the subsequent conduct of this brilliant executive. He was long offered opportunity for repentance, but only some of his subordinates ever accepted the proffered mercy. The Faithful of Days of Edentia, on the request of the Constellation Fathers, in person presented the plan of Michael for the saving of these flagrant rebels, but always was the mercy of the Creator Son rejected and rejected with increasing contempt and disdain. P.603 - §1



Our history is littered with people whose religious convictions have led others to follow them, because the followers are looking for certainty in such matters. Some people will follow the leader because they want to be told something. They want certainty, even if it is espoused by a person who is slowing going crazy with self-pride and self-deception. Followers need a guru and the guru cannot survive without the followers. Following another person, a charismatic person, can be a slippery slope. Anyway, that's my opinion.


We are not beings comparable to Lanonandek sons (Lucifer). We weren't created as such. It was a Lanonandek rebellion and 37 Planetary Princes in Satania "swung their world administrations largely to the side of the archrebel." (P. 607) And we simply do not have the facts of the status of those other worlds affected by rebellion.

The bestowal of Michael terminated the Lucifer rebellion in all Satania aside from the planets of the apostate Planetary Princes. And this was the significance of Jesus' personal experience, just before his death in the flesh, when he one day exclaimed to his disciples, "And I beheld Satan fall as lightning from heaven." He had come with Lucifer to Urantia for the last crucial struggle.


The Son of Man was confident of success, and he knew that his triumph on your world would forever settle the status of his agelong enemies, not only in Satania but also in the other two systems where sin had entered. There was survival for mortals and security for angels when your Master, in reply to the Lucifer proposals, calmly and with divine assurance replied, "Get you behind me, Satan." That was, in principle, the real end of the Lucifer rebellion. True, the Uversa tribunals have not yet rendered the executive decision regarding the appeal of Gabriel praying for the destruction of the rebels, but such a decree will, no doubt, be forthcoming in the fullness of time since the first step in the hearing of this case has already been taken. P.609 - §6



What is the measure, the yardstick, with which to determine "the fullness of time"? Sounds like a looooong time to me - more than a mere 2000 years.



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Posted 15 October 2012 - 10:58 AM

Thurston's article explains that "Caligastia deceives and goes after sincere individuals who believe they are doing the right thing". So, are you saying that this is just a bunch of "malarky" that we shouldn't care about?


Yes, it's all malarky. How is it that you've come to trust Thurston so much? If his theory is correct, then how can we be sure that he's not being deceived too? Seems to me that you're saying that anyone can be deceived and no one can be trusted, which is exactly the opposite of what Jesus taught.

192:2.7 When they had gone a short distance, Jesus said to Andrew, "Andrew, do you trust me?" And when the former chief of the apostles heard Jesus ask such a question, he stood still and answered, "Yes, Master, of a certainty I trust you, and you know that I do." Then said Jesus: "Andrew, if you trust me, trust your brethren more - even Peter.

Does that mean that things that are going on all around us and affecting many people are unworthy of understanding? People who are acknowledging or experiencing this are "shallow"?


Yes. People succumb to evil because they are weak, because their faith is shallow. But evil is of their own making. There is no devil tempting people to forgo truth for evil. The potential for evil is in your own heart. It is not someone else's fault when evil is permitted to happen. It's very immature to say, "The devil made me do it." I'll ask again, why do you put so much faith and trust in Thurston and so little faith and trust in God?

If one is experiencing this, isn't it wise to analyse what Thurston's article is telling us? Why would he waist time on this article if it wasn't worthy of concern.


Because people like you will read it and believe it.

Does that mean that people who are acknowledging the events happening all around us are not Praying and focused on god? That couldn't be further from the truth. Many are very spiritual and very focused on god. Just because it many not have been your experience, does not mean that it is not happening on a wide scale to others. Isn't it wise to attempt to understand how it fits in with the heavently father's plan? Do we just stick our heads in the sand and ignore that it's happening.


The mind at mischief is a very powerful force. Nothing evil can happen to people unless they allow it. There are times when we have to suffer from the evil choices others make, but we do that joyfully, returning good for evil at every turn. Focus on reality and not this side show of, "Oh look, there's the devil . . . no wait, he's over there . . . and now he's coming for you!" It's all nonsense.

Thurston even put a calculation of time frame mathematically. Why was he interested in this if it's a waist of time, unimportant and malarky?


Since when can you measure God and his spirit mathematically?

Listen Marisa, test yourself this way: If worrying about Thurston's tripe makes you more joyful; allows you to function more efficiently; helps you love and serve others with more patience and tolerance; calms your mind and bolsters your spirit as well as giving you an enlarged and deepened appreciation for truth, beauty and goodness, then go with it wholeheartedly. Spend all of your days reading Thurston and thinking about his words. Worry yourself away!

But I choose not to give a microsecond of attention to anything with even a shadow of a hair's turning for an untrue purpose because it creates no lasting peace. Worry over falsehood is fruitless.

p555:1 48:6.22 The shadow of a hair's turning, premeditated for an untrue purpose, the slightest twisting or perversion of that which is principle—these constitute falseness.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 12:31 PM

  • I think Alina hit the nail on the head.

Alina:


(610.4) 53:8.8 But even so, no fallen spirit ever did have the power to invade the minds or to harass the souls of the children of God. Neither Satan nor Caligastia could ever touch or approach the faith sons of God; faith is an effective armor against sin and iniquity. It is true: “He who is born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one touches him not.”

(610.5) 53:8.9 In general, when weak and dissolute mortals are supposed to be under the influence of devils and demons, they are merely being dominated by their own inherent and debased tendencies, being led away by their own natural propensities. The devil has been given a great deal of credit for evil which does not belong to him. Caligastia has been comparativelyimpotent since the cross of Christ



Also we have to remember how many powerfull cellestial beings are on our planet. There is an arch-angel headquarters on our world. I am pretty sure that a thousand arch-angels could snuff out a weak Calagastia in a instant if they wanted. I am sure he is walking around alone and only contacting those mortals who really desire to know the devil. It is not like there is an army of rebels on the other side marching around.

Edited by boomshuka, 15 October 2012 - 12:34 PM.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:30 PM

Sorry, but the Thurston gobbledegook does not make one bit of sense. He claims that sympathy for rebels is over only on the system level and that the rebellion is still going on at the humans level, despite the fact that Michael ended the rebellion. Now how can that be? It's a myth. It's poppycock. It's simply a new eschatology . . . a purely evolutionary theory mendaciously decorated with revelatory tidbits . . . meant to ensnare perhaps? Only God and Thurston know, but there are no truth bells tolling for me.

The truth is, that even if all the rebels were annihilated and Caligastia no longer existed, the potential for evil would still trouble humans. Humans do not need a nefarious character to help them find evil. Evil can be found wherever there is imperfection . . . which is EVERYWHERE short of Paradise.

I'm going to call this Thurston's taradiddle: So how long will it take to reach this "perfect and final cure"? How long will it be before sin and iniquity can no longer be found on Urantia?

Answer: When there are no experiential beings on Urantia. Thurston, wake up to reality. The closest thing to a cure is realization of the Supreme Being by every personality in the grand universe, when the grand universe is settled in light and life. Even then, there will be no final cure. There will be new imperfect challenges in the ages to come. Will you want to blame that on the devil too?

And all this mumbo-jumbo about dis-Adjustered, soulless zombies wandering the planet attempting to keep Caligastia alive by harboring iniquitousness makes Hollywood creep shows seem cartoonish. Perfect piffle for Halloween, don't you think? Why anyone would bother to give this garbage one scintilla of thought is absolutely unbelievable.

I honestly cannot tolerate this stuff . . . people who think they can predict the fullness of time . . . doesn't anyone else realize how completely and utterly ridiculous this is? Doesn't anyone else realize how this is just another version of wishful thinking, messiah mythology, end-times paranoia and judgment day jitters? It has to stop. It really, really has to stop.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 02:35 PM

I don't know the source of marissa's concerns but she is hardly alone, eh? The cha**eling/divining/receiving/transmitting bunch seem laser focused on the issue of rebellion and adjudication and "who's on first and what's on second" and THEY seem to think this matters somehow to us. Truly, the only information so distributed of any relevance to TUB is this very rebellion status issue.....despite its irrelevancy to us. I agree with all who believe otherwise. The rebellion is not our concern and we (and all of Nebadon) have benefited 1000 fold on a cost/benefit analysis prior to the FER publication (so the benefits are even greater today!). This rock is the darling out of 10,000,000 such rocks in our local, eh? And every circuit of mind and spirit is OPEN AND FULLY FUNCTIONAL!!

Some need something to fear. Others need something to blame. Don't understand it myself. But even the self directed student can become enamored by the rebellion and its affect on our planet and on the souls thereon. But good students eventually discover the truth about fear and personal ascendency and can place the mysteries of rebellion to those who have a stake in such issues. The rebellion was described, IMO, simply as evidence of the fact and power of free will and personal volition and evidence of mercy ministry, its patience, and the foundation of love for the dispensation of ultimate justice upon those who choose self-destruction. There is no (or little) other purpose served by its presentation. Don't know why it is such a big deal to anyone....who truly studies that which lies open in our lap. Peace.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:29 PM

Hi Bonita,

That "perfect and final cure" was not Chuck's hope, but a directive from our Divine Mins,

"10. The Divine Minister of Salvington issued as her third independent proclamation a mandate directing that nothing be done to half cure, cowardly suppress, or otherwise hide the hideous visage of rebels and rebellion. The angelic hosts were directed to work for full disclosure and unlimited opportunity for sin-expression as the quickest technique of achieving the perfect and final cure of the plague of evil and sin." (617.11) 54:5.11


Some background may help: As I understand it, Chuck Thurston and friends were alarmed that a group of UB reading folk (prone to hearing voices) were reporting to other readers that "the rebellion is over, the circuits are open". The article above (essentially a collection of UB quotes) was an attempt to pour cold water over the excitement this group of channelers is currently stirring up in South America.

Regarding the channelers themselves, my guess is they like to style themselves as channelers, otherwise they'd have to admit they are just folks with voices in their head, which is usually sad.

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Posted 15 October 2012 - 03:39 PM

. . . they like to style themselves as channelers, otherwise they'd have to admit they are just folks with voices in their head. . . .


. . . which reminds me of this:

The secret of his [Jesus] unparalleled religious life was this consciousness of the presence of God; and he attained it by intelligent prayer and sincere worship--unbroken communion with God--and not by leadings, voices, visions, or extraordinary religious practices. P.2089 - §0; PAPER 196



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