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Posted 21 June 2012 - 05:38 PM

The Revelation also teaches two very important lessons: first, nobody makes lemonade out of lemons like God does! The "cost" or losses incurred by the system rebellion has already returned a thousand-fold "profit" as measured by progress and potential - agondonters are a highly revered corps of the finality and that's just one universal "benefit".

Two: on Urantia specifically, all the adjutants are fully engage as is the Spirit of Truth and the Thought Adjusters...we now have, and have had for 2,000 years all the help and ministries needed to get to that planetary upliftment level of Light and Life.

No soul on Urantia is penalized nor deprived by that long ago event, unusual but not unknown, called rebellion.

(619.3) At first the Lucifer upheaval appeared to be an unmitigated calamity to the system and to the universe. Gradually benefits began to accrue. With the passing of twenty-five thousand years of system time (twenty thousand years of Urantia time), the Melchizedeks began to teach that the good resulting from Lucifer’s folly had come to equal the evil incurred. The sum of evil had by that time become almost stationary, continuing to increase only on certain isolated worlds, while the beneficial repercussions continued to multiply and extend out through the universe and superuniverse, even to Havona. The Melchizedeks now teach that the good resulting from the Satania rebellion is more than a thousand times the sum of all the evil.

(618.4) Whatever the difficulties evolutionary mortals may encounter in their efforts to understand the Lucifer rebellion, it should be clear to all reflective thinkers that the technique of dealing with the rebels is a vindication of divine love. The loving mercy extended to the rebels does seem to have involved many innocent beings in trials and tribulations, but all these distraught personalities may securely depend upon the all-wise Judges to adjudicate their destinies in mercy as well as justice.

(618.5) In all their dealings with intelligent beings, both the Creator Son and his Paradise Father are love dominated. It is impossible to comprehend many phases of the attitude of the universe rulers toward rebels and rebellion — sin and sinners — unless it be remembered that God as a Father takes precedence over all other phases of Deity manifestation in all the dealings of divinity with humanity. It should also be recalled that the Paradise Creator Sons are all mercy motivated.

(2062.1) In a way, mankind is subject to the double influence of the sevenfold appeal of the universe spirit influences. The early evolutionary races of mortals are subject to the progressive contact of the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe Mother Spirit. As man progresses upward in the scale of intelligence and spiritual perception, there eventually come to hover over him and dwell within him the seven higher spirit influences. And these seven spirits of the advancing worlds are:


(2062.2) 1. The bestowed spirit of the Universal Father — the Thought Adjusters.
(2062.3) 2. The spirit presence of the Eternal Son — the spirit gravity of the universe of universes and the certain channel of all spirit communion.
(2062.4) 3. The spirit presence of the Infinite Spirit — the universal spirit-mind of all creation, the spiritual source of the intellectual kinship of all progressive intelligences.
(2062.5) 4. The spirit of the Universal Father and the Creator Son — the Spirit of Truth, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Son.
(2062.6) 5. The spirit of the Infinite Spirit and the Universe Mother Spirit — the Holy Spirit, generally regarded as the spirit of the Universe Spirit.
(2062.7) 6. The mind-spirit of the Universe Mother Spirit — the seven adjutant mind-spirits of the local universe.
(2062.8) 7. The spirit of the Father, Sons, and Spirits — the new-name spirit of the ascending mortals of the realms after the fusion of the mortal spirit-born soul with the Paradise Thought Adjuster and after the subsequent attainment of the divinity and glorification of the status of the Paradise Corps of the Finality.

(2062.9) And so did the bestowal of the Spirit of Truth bring to the world and its peoples the last of the spirit endowment designed to aid in the ascending search for God.

We suffer not so much by either rebellion or defaults of old and we progress into spirituality personally and on-planet by God's power, His love, His mercy, and His eternal plan for bringing Himself to us and us to Him. He is unfailing if we but seek Him and hear His voice and believe in His love. It is indeed a wonderful life and knowing what I know now, I'd rather be from Urantia than anywhere and I'd rather be here now than any other time. Sweeeeettt!! Peace. :D
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 02:12 PM

mspeler - I hope you are getting satisfactory answers to your welcomed questions here. Everyone here once approached the reading of the Urantia Book as truth seekers, having found some truths here and some there, and we found a presentation in the Book which explains those very big questions all seekers share - what's the meaning of life, what's God's plan, is there purpose, why do we feel love, what happens after mortal death, are angels real, is evil punished, is righteousness rewarded, how did this all happen??? Add your personal faves and we each have quite a list of curiousities seeking confirmation.

You are welcome here and you need not fear being or asking that which might be "too far out" - many here have been pretty far out there and some would say that UB believers still are. I must tell you though that none here will tell you what to believe, or disuade you from your personal conceptions of your beliefs, or dispute teachings of others - our role and our opportunity here is to share what the Urantia Book has to say and help you study therein for your self discovery. The Book does confirm much printed or taught elsewhere in multiple philosophies, religions, texts, legends, archeology, astronomy, physics and more. But there are many falsehoods, half truths, distortions, perceptions, and conclusions we will each have by our own experience that the Book explains, corrects, integrates, or modifies in its way. All truth is a personal and experiential process of an ever enlarging capacity for more truth yet to come...much like love - the more you give, the more there is to give.

I say all this only to encourage you to seek and to ask what you will, The question you asked about the physical outworking of rebellion is answered quite exhaustively in the Urantia Book actually but the ...."war...money....pollution" part of your question really leads another direction altogether. For mankind, as an ascender soul of the universe, originates in materialism and our Heavenly Father did not create us in perfection, we are perfecting beings and we must perfect by becoming and we become by free will choices. All mortals on all worlds have this precious gift....and we all make bad choices with it, sometimes more often and sometimes less often and eventually less and less often - thus our "becoming" by being more responsive to Love and Truth and Beauty and Goodness....but every choice by each and all choices by all of us have consequences; personal, societal, and planetary. But better choices lead to better results, no?

Planetary life evolves but so do the mortals on the planet evolve in mind and in spirit.....becoming more enlightened, more spiritual, more moral and ethical, more caring of one another.....but this we must choose!! On every planet in time and space. It just is how it is....as explained in the Urantia Book. Now, the local rebellion certainly delayed and in some ways, deformed this natural plan of planetary progression for a time. But God loves all His children and each of His children and He does not withhold His love or punish us for the past or the sins of our fathers either one. He calls to us and seeks us out and whispers....this way, this way home. But we are not forced or coerced or tricked or saved by another.....for we are all truly saved by Love and Truth. I hope this Book speaks to you and leads you to that which all truth seekers hope to discover. But, as Friend Pike says, Fear Not.....and welcome to this tribe of truthseekers...may we be worthy. Peace.
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Posted 22 June 2012 - 04:17 PM

OK - No mention of planetary ascension in TUB. Could our planet be a personality we call Gaia? Well is that too far out or what?


Although the planet is teeming with life, and despite current retrogressive pantheistic beliefs, the planet does not have a personality. Not everything living has personality.

4:2.6 Nature, on your world, is a qualification of the laws of perfection by the evolutionary plans of the local universe. What a travesty to worship nature because it is in a limited, qualified sense pervaded by God; because it is a phase of the universal and, therefore, divine power! Nature also is a manifestation of the unfinished, the incomplete, the imperfect outworkings of the development, growth, and progress of a universe experiment in cosmic evolution.

Universe age…hhmm.. if I didn’t run across it in TUB then it must have been on the web site www.thenewearth.org The Urantia Book is mentioned there for further reading. The time period for a universe age, I think, was 22 revolutions of Nebadon times 26,000 years per revolution.


The current universe age involves the completion of the evolution of the Supreme through power/personality synthesis; and although no one knows when that will be completed, it will certainly take more than 572,000 years.

117:2.3 Consider the status of the creature-trinitized sons: They are born and live in the present universe age; they have personalities, together with mind and spirit endowments. They have experiences and the memory thereof, but they do not grow as do ascenders. It is our belief and understanding that these creature-trinitized sons, while they are in the present universe age, are really of the next universe age — the age which will follow the completion of the growth of the Supreme. Hence they are not in the Supreme as of his present status of incompleteness and consequent growth. Thus they are nonparticipating in the experiential growth of the present universe age, being held in reserve for the next universe age.

117:2.7 As existent upon the consummation of the present unvierse age, the Supreme Being will function as an experiential sovereign in the grand universe. Outer-spacers — citizens of the next universe age — will have a postsuperuniverse growth potential, a capacity for evolutionary attainment presupposing the sovereignty of the Almighty Supreme, hence excluding creature participation in the power-personality synthesis of the present universe age.

117:2.9 Of this we are certain: Creatures and universes, high and low, are evolving within the Supreme, and as they evolve, there is appearing the unified summation of the entire finite activity of this universe age. And this is the appearance of the Supreme Being, to all personalities the evolution of the almighty power of God the Supreme.

OK new question. What does the TUB say on who instituted the quarantine on Earth?


The Constellation Fathers got the ball rolling with confirmation by the Ancients of Days. It was also a spiritually defensive act of the majority of worlds in the superuniverse.

43:3.7 The Edentia Most Highs seized certain phases of planetary authority on the rebellious worlds at the time of the Lucifer secession. They have continued to exercise this power, and the Ancients of Days long since confirmed this assumption of control over these wayward worlds. They will no doubt continue to exercise this assumed jurisdiction as long as Lucifer lives. Much of this authority would ordinarily, in a loyal system, be invested in the System Sovereign.

53:4.7 Lucifer was permitted fully to establish and thoroughly to organize his rebel government before Gabriel made any effort to contest the right of secession or to counterwork the rebel propaganda. But the Constellation Fathers immediately confined the action of these disloyal personalities to the system of Satania. Nevertheless, this period of delay was a time of great trial and testing to the loyal beings of all Satania. All was chaotic for a few years, and there was great confusion on the mansion worlds.

3:1.10 Concerning God’s presence in a planet, system, constellation, or a universe, the degree of such presence in any creational unit is a measure of the degree of the evolving presence of the Supreme Being: It is determined by the en masse recognition of God and loyalty to him on the part of the vast universe organization, running down to the systems and planets themselves. Therefore it is sometimes with the hope of conserving and safeguarding these phases of God’s precious presence that, when some planets (or even systems) have plunged far into spiritual darkness, they are in a certain sense quarantined, or partially isolated from intercourse with the larger units of creation. And all this, as it operates on Urantia, is a spiritually defensive reaction of the majority of the worlds to save themselves, as far as possible, from suffering the isolating consequences of the alienating acts of a headstrong, wicked, and rebellious minority.

Also what are the lingering manifestations of this rebellion on Earth? We are in the box so what do we know? I don’t think that TUB gives a lot of info on aspects of the physical workings of a planetary rebellion on earth. We are left to imagine....war...money..pollution.


Perhaps this quote will help:

p761:6 67:7.7 Caligastia rebelled, Adam and Eve did default, but no mortal subsequently born on Urantia has suffered in his personal spiritual experience because of these blunders. Every mortal born on Urantia since Caligastia's rebellion has been in some manner time-penalized, but the future welfare of such souls has never been in the least eternity-jeopardized. No person is ever made to suffer vital spiritual deprivation because of the sin of another. Sin is wholly personal as to moral guilt or spiritual consequences, notwithstanding its far-flung repercussions in administrative, intellectual, and social domains.

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 10:13 PM

Thank you all for your comments. It will take a while to digest all the entries. I have located my concordex and am working my way through “isolation” and “quarantine.” I am a slow reader and the garden takes up time.

I am wondering about page 372 A paper 33 -- page 371 bottom seems to indicate the universe broadcast is extended to all inhabited worlds regardless of spiritual status. Planetary intercommunication is denied (top of 372) to those under spiritual quarantine. What would universe broadcasts be? Would we hear them?


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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:05 AM

(504.1) 5. The broadcast directors. The broadcasts of Paradise, the superuniverses, and the local universes are under the general supervision of this group of thought conservers. They serve as censors and editors as well as co-ordinators of the broadcast material, making a superuniverse adaptation of all Paradise broadcasts and adapting and translating the broadcasts of the Ancients of Days into the individual tongues of the local universes.

(504.2) The local universe broadcasts must also be modified for reception by the systems and the individual planets. The transmittal of these space reports is carefully supervised, and there is always a back registry to insure the proper reception of every report on every world in a given circuit. These broadcast directors are technically expert in the utilization of the currents of space for all purposes of intelligence communication.

(598.3) If you could be transplanted from your backward and confused world to some normal planet now in the postbestowal Son age, you would think you had been translated to the heaven of your traditions. You would hardly believe that you were observing the normal evolutionary workings of a mortal sphere of human habitation. These worlds are in the spiritual circuits of their realm, and they enjoy all the advantages of the universe broadcasts and the reflectivity services of the superuniverse.

(371.7) From Salvington, broadcasts are simultaneously directed to the constellation headquarters, the system headquarters, and to individual planets. All higher orders of celestial beings are able to utilize this service for communication with their fellows scattered throughout the universe. The universe broadcast is extended to all inhabited worlds regardless of their spiritual status. Planetary intercommunication is denied only those worlds under spiritual quarantine.

(372.1) Constellation broadcasts are periodically sent out from the headquarters of the constellation by the chief of the Constellation Fathers.


Such broadcasting is not between mortals or mortal worlds but is "official" administrative information, news, instructions, etc. I believe. The Revelation does not directly answer your questions or concepts of UFOs - it is a matter of speculation and personal opinion primarily. There is evidence against such mechanical, inter-galactic travel of mortals and the transport seraphim are described in some detail as the "vehicle" for transporting spirit entities between the worlds of time and space and beyond. But, as I say, this is deducted by me from my studies, TUB simply does not mention such devices. We have moderators here, kind and gentle souls, who will guide you if you stray beyond the parameters. Fear not and ask away!! Peace.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:18 AM

For your earlier question about "rapture" -

(622.4) The average morontia temple seats about three hundred thousand spectators. These edifices are not used for worship, play, or for receiving broadcasts; they are devoted to the special ceremonies of the planet, such as: communications with the System Sovereign or with the Most Highs, special visualization ceremonies designed to reveal the personality presence of spirit beings, and silent cosmic contemplation. The schools of cosmic philosophy here conduct their graduation exercises, and here also do the mortals of the realm receive planetary recognition for achievements of high social service and for other outstanding attainments.

(622.5) Such a morontia temple also serves as the place of assembly for witnessing the translation of living mortals to the morontia existence. It is because the translation temple is composed of morontia material that it is not destroyed by the blazing glory of the consuming fire which so completely obliterates the physical bodies of those mortals who therein experience final fusion with their divine Adjusters. On a large world these departure flares are almost continuous, and as the number of translations increases, subsidiary morontia life shrines are provided in different areas of the planet. Not long since I sojourned on a world in the far north whereon twenty-five morontia shrines were functioning.

And some on the transport seraphim -

(430.4) 5. The Transporters. All groups of ministering spirits have their transport corps, angelic orders dedicated to the ministry of transporting those personalities who are unable, of themselves, to journey from one sphere to another. The fifth group of the superior seraphim are headquartered on Salvington and serve as space traversers to and from the headquarters of the local universe. Like other subdivisions of the superior seraphim, some were created as such while others have risen from the lower or less endowed groups.

(430.5) The “energy range” of seraphim is wholly adequate for local universe and even for superuniverse requirements, but they could never withstand the energy demands entailed by such a long journey as that from Uversa to Havona. Such an exhaustive journey requires the special powers of a primary seconaphim of transport endowments. Transporters take on energy for flight while in transit and recuperate personal power at the end of the journey.

(430.6) Even on Salvington ascending mortals do not possess personal transit forms. Ascenders must depend upon seraphic transport in advancing from world to world until after the last rest of sleep on the inner circle of Havona and the eternal awakening on Paradise. Subsequently you will not be dependent on angels for transport from universe to universe.

(430.7) The process of being enseraphimed is not unlike the experience of death or sleep except that there is an automatic time element in the transit slumber. You are consciously unconscious during seraphic rest. But the Thought Adjuster is wholly and fully conscious, in fact, exceptionally efficient since you are unable to oppose, resist, or otherwise hinder creative and transforming work.

(431.1) When enseraphimed, you go to sleep for a specified time, and you will awake at the designated moment. The length of a journey when in transit sleep is immaterial. You are not directly aware of the passing of time. It is as if you went to sleep on a transport vehicle in one city and, after resting in peaceful slumber all night, awakened in another and distant metropolis. You journeyed while you slumbered. And so you take flight through space, enseraphimed, while you rest — sleep. The transit sleep is induced by the liaison between the Adjusters and the seraphic transporters.

(431.2) The angels cannot transport combustion bodies — flesh and blood — such as you now have, but they can transport all others, from the lowest morontia to the higher spirit forms. They do not function in the event of natural death. When you finish your earthly career, your body remains on this planet. Your Thought Adjuster proceeds to the bosom of the Father, and these angels are not directly concerned in your subsequent personality reassembly on the identification mansion world. There your new body is a morontia form, one that can enseraphim. You “sow a mortal body” in the grave; you “reap a morontia form” on the mansion worlds.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 09:16 AM

I am wondering about page 372 A paper 33 -- page 371 bottom seems to indicate the universe broadcast is extended to all inhabited worlds regardless of spiritual status. Planetary intercommunication is denied (top of 372) to those under spiritual quarantine. What would universe broadcasts be? Would we hear them?


We do know that the very first universe broadcast was to announce the arrival of Grandfanda on Havona. His arrival initiated the broadcasts and TUB calls them "the space reports of glory". I have to assume that good news throughout the universe is broadcast for everyone to hear as well as messages of love from the Universal Father.

24.6.8 The name of this pilgrim discoverer of Havona is Grandfanda, and he hailed from planet 341 of system 84 in constellation 62 of local universe 1,131 situated in superuniverse number one. His arrival was the signal for the establishment of the broadcast service of the universe of universes. Theretofore only the broadcasts of the superuniverses and the local universes had been in operation, but the announcement of the arrival of Grandfanda at the portals of Havona signalized the inauguration of the “space reports of glory,” so named because the initial universe broadcast reported the Havona arrival of the first of the evolutionary beings to attain entrance upon the goal of ascendant existence.

We cannot hear these broadcasts, even though the broadcast directors adapt and translate them to be accessible to our local universe and our individual planet .(504:1) However, our Thought Adjusters, despite quarantine and isolation, are completely capable of receiving and understanding all of them as well as translating them for us. So technically, if any of these broadcasts are allowed to get through, you'd have to be able to communicate with your Adjuster in order to receive them. At least, that is my current view on the subject and since I've personally never heard a broadcast, I can't say for certain. But I have heard love translated for me, so maybe that's all we need to hear . . . don't know for sure.

110:7.6 But with the vast majority of Urantians the Adjuster must patiently await the arrival of death deliverance; must await the liberation of the emerging soul from the well-nigh complete domination of the energy patterns and chemical forces inherent in your material order of existence. The chief difficulty you experience in contacting with your Adjusters consists in this very inherent material nature. So few mortals are real thinkers; you do not spiritually develop and discipline your minds to the point of favorable liaison with the divine Adjusters. The ear of the human mind is almost deaf to the spiritual pleas which the Adjuster translates from the manifold messages of the universal broadcasts of love proceeding from the Father of mercies. The Adjuster finds it almost impossible to register these inspiring spirit leadings in an animal mind so completely dominated by the chemical and electrical forces inherent in your physical natures.

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Posted 12 September 2012 - 03:48 PM

I woke up this morning with the inspiration to present this thread. about just how unique and unusual this world of ours is.

1. For a start; about one world in ten is designated as a decimal planet and assigned to the special registry of Life Carriers.
Urantia is one of these worlds; one out of a possible 1,000,000 worlds in this universe.

2. Only 3 systems, from a total of 10,000 systems in our universe have been affected by a disloyal System Sovereign.
Urantia is located in one of these three systems.

3. 24 counselors on Jerusem represent Christ Michael "The Master Son" in all matters concerning the roll calls of Satania and in many other phases of the scheme of mortal ascension on the isolated worlds of the system.
The majority of these counselors are from Urantia (ascended mortals and celestial beings directly connected with Urantia)

4. On Urantia the origin of the colored races occurred suddenly in one family in one generation. The only world to do this in the local system. On the average evolutionary planet the six races of color appear one by one, beginning with the red race, and take ages to complete all six colors. Urantia, the only inhabited world out of a possible 1,000

5. The Machiventa Melchizidek Incarnation on Urantia had been only done six times in all the history of Nebadon.
Therefore, Urantia is one of seven inhabited planets out of a possible 10,000,000 inhabited worlds to have this type of event.

6. And most importantly, the Creator Son Michael incarnated on Urantia out of a possible 10,000,000 inhabited worlds. One out of ten million.

The Urantia Book reveals Urantia to be a very unique world with a very unusual past history.

Some things to think about when ever we get caught up in our personal petty problems.

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I too have asked the same question.
But perhaps we are not able (yet) to understand in depth the meaning of all this diversity there was for Urantia over thousands and millions of other realities. I think it is both an honor and a burden.

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Posted 25 February 2013 - 10:16 AM

Yes, well of a great honored, also resulting in becoming aware of the great responsibility
It is a joy, but sometimes difficult, the realization that we who must carry forward to Urantia, beyond which are the Most those who govern us. Govern us, but let us do, meanwhile,
It will be for small humans learn? In fact I think it is.
The compensation is great, only contemplate the vastness of creation, and know by the Revelations that we are part of the Whole, is priceless.


(54.5) 4:1.2 Can you not advance in your concept of God’s dealing with man to that level where you recognize that the watchword of the universe is progress? Through long ages the human race has struggled to reach its present position. Throughout all these millenniums Providence has been working out the plan of progressive evolution. The two thoughts are not opposed in practice, only in man’s mistaken concepts. Divine providence is never arrayed in opposition to true human progress, either temporal or spiritual. Providence is always consistent with the unchanging and perfect nature of the supreme Lawmaker.




Urantia is unique but we are part of the Divine Plan.


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Posted 26 February 2013 - 08:06 PM

(600.3) 52:7.14 No matter what the special natural history of an individual planet may be, no difference whether a realm has been wholly loyal, tainted with evil, or cursed by sin — no matter what the antecedents may be — sooner or later the grace of God and the ministry of angels will usher in the day of the advent of the Trinity Teacher Sons; and their departure, following their final mission, will inaugurate this superb era of light and life.

(600.4) 52:7.15 All the worlds of Satania can join in the hope of the one who wrote: “Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for a new heaven and a new earth, wherein dwells righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that you look for such things, be diligent that you may be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless.”
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