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#1 Julian McGarry

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Posted 07 April 2012 - 08:05 PM

I find the description of the resurrection of our Master here on Urantia totally amazing and enthralling. So many questions come to mind as I read. For example: Who were the seven unidentified Paradise personalities, and why were they deployed around the tomb? Was it necessary for them to be at that particular location to effect Jesus' morontia resurrection? We are told that only his physical, mortal body was in the tomb....it was a mere shell. Did Jesus have a surviving soul? What happened to his personality when he died? Given that no mortal witnessed the very moment of his resurrection, why did his morontia form emerge from the tomb? I am completely fascinated by this description and would really appreciate any comments that might throw some more light on this subject.


P.2020 - §4 At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and morontia activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected morontia form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.
After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected morontia personality of Jesus.

P.2021 - §3 As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again as a morontia being of the system of Satania in Norlatiadek. There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or morontia resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

A very happy and peaceful Easter to all you wonderful Forum contributors!

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 07:09 AM

Like you, I've often wondered why Jesus did not go to the resurrection hall on the first mansion world like all of his creatures must do. I believe it is because Jesus did not have to go through personality reassembly as we do. Our souls must reunite with our Adjusters in order for our personalities to survive as an ongoing identity; but Jesus, because he is already an immortal Master Michael, needed none of that. The immortality of our personality is linked to the Adjuster while Michael's immortality is not. To be resurrected, we humans require a new morontia mind that must reunite with memory transcripts that are in the Adjuster's possession. During his life in the flesh, Jesus already acquired full consciousness of his divine Creator mind and was not dependent upon the Adjuster at resurrection, as we are.

What happened to Jesus' soul? Even TUB does not know for sure. If Jesus was any other human, his soul would have fused with his Adjuster at his baptism. TUB speculates that instead, Jesus' soul was put into the custody of the Paradise Father and later rejoined him at his resurrection, while others speculate that it did not.

188:3.8 3. The acquired spirit identity of the man of Nazareth which was built up during his lifetime in the flesh, first, by the direct efforts of his Thought Adjuster, and later, by his own perfect adjustment between the physical necessities and the spiritual requirements of the ideal mortal existence, as it was effected by his never-ceasing choice of the Father’s will, must have been consigned to the custody of the Paradise Father. Whether or not this spirit reality returned to become a part of the resurrected personality, we do not know, but we believe it did. But there are those in the universe who hold that this soul-identity of Jesus now reposes in the “bosom of the Father,” to be subsequently released for leadership of the Nebadon Corps of the Finality in their undisclosed destiny in connection with the uncreated universes of the unorganized realms of outer space.

Then there is that famous statement made by Jesus immediately before he died, ""It is finished! Father, into your hands I commend my spirit." Higher minds than mine have difficulty understanding what he meant by that, but they agree that he must have been referring to his soul.

188:3.4 We do not fully understand the meaning of such a statement inasmuch as his Thought Adjuster had long since been personalized and so maintained an existence apart from Jesus' mortal being. The Master's Personalized Adjuster could in no sense be affected by his physical death on the cross. That which Jesus put in the Father's hands for the time being must have been the spirit counterpart of the Adjuster's early work in spiritizing the mortal mind so as to provide for the transfer of the transcript the human experience to the mansion worlds. There must have been some spiritual reality in the experience of Jesus which was analogous to the spirit nature, or soul, of the faith-growing mortals of the spheres. But this is merely our opinion - we do not really know what Jesus commended to his Father.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 09:35 AM

The question I've pondered every Easter since I found TUB in 1970 is the same question pondered by the women who discovered the empty tomb: ". . . how could the body have been removed since the very bandages in which it was wrapped were left in position and apparently intact on the burial shelf?" (189:4.9)

If the chief archangel and his celestial crew had to remove the physical body of Jesus from the tomb in order for it to undergo near-instantaneous dissolution, how did they remove it from the bandages without disturbing them? Did they remove the body from the bandages? It doesn't seem likely that they could do that without disturbing the bandages since they make it quite clear that they couldn't remove the body from the tomb without opening the door. If they had to open the door, they would have had to open the bandages too. Perhaps they somehow dissolved the body inside the bandages and then returned them to the tomb intact. But why not dissolve the bandages too? It never made sense to me.

And I've never understood why they have to remove the body from the tomb in the first place. Why couldn't they dissolve it within the tomb? Where exactly did they take it and how? Did the physical body of Jesus seemingly float out of the tomb in the arms of invisible midwayers? Where did they go with it in order for it to undergo dissolution? Did they have to take it to the upper atmosphere like they do with fusion candidates? If so, wouldn't someone have seen a flying Jesus? Sounds silly, but one wonders. Maybe I'm the only one wondering, I don't know.

189:2.3 After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Urantia midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the morontia form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. . . . As they made ready to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb preparatory to according it the dignified and reverent disposal of near-instantaneous dissolution, it was assigned the secondary Urantia midwayers to roll away the stones from the entrance of the tomb.

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Posted 08 April 2012 - 08:17 PM

I'm not sure why this is so hard to believe, the only thing that was different about this resurrection and others is that there was a dead body. Their are other Biblical and Apocrypha text that identify a body disappearing even before death was pronounced. Not to mention Lazarus. Who was the first mortal to fuse with their adjuster (Father) and was there a body? Who is the Son of Man, and has this term not been used prior to Jesus as a living person? Besides, as the apocryphal text indicates, Jesus' body was needed elsewhere for other reasons so, why should this surprise anyone, for with the Father anything is possible! Besides, why would you want to leave any DNA behind for cloning or more importantly for identification.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 07:53 AM

Besides, as the apocryphal text indicates, Jesus' body was needed elsewhere for other reasons so, why should this surprise anyone, for with the Father anything is possible! Besides, why would you want to leave any DNA behind for cloning or more importantly for identification.


So who are they that needed Jesus' rotting body and what did they need it for?

And where did you read that I don't believe that Jesus' body underwent near-instantaneous dissolution? I said, I don't understand how the grave cloths remained intact. Do you have any ideas concerning what I actually said other than the myths you've read in the apocrypha?

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 08:13 AM

There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. (P.2021:3) I think the Midwayers are right. They personally witnessed events that even they didn't fully understand. So I guess we shouldn't expect anything different of ourselves. Bonita, I agree with you....it is puzzling why the body (shell) of Jesus needed to be removed from the tomb in order to be dissolved. The process of dissolution which the archangels wanted to employ wasn't the same as that used in adjuster fusion.....we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. (P.2022:5) I can't see why that couldn't have been performed in the tomb. Perhaps the grave cloths were left intact to indicate that something beyond what is natural had taken place. But I also still wonder why the resurrection of Jesus in his morontia form and personality took place within the tomb. My only guess is that it was done this way so that the huge numbers of celestial beings who were assembled there could witness an event that was apparently very rare throughout the universe of universes. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and morontia activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected morontia form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb. (P.2020:4)

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 09:32 AM

For me the reason we found in this quote:


(2022.5) 189:2.1 At ten minutes past three o’clock, as the resurrected Jesus fraternized with the assembled morontia personalities from the seven mansion worlds of Satania, the chief of archangels — the angels of the resurrection — approached Gabriel and asked for the mortal body of Jesus. Said the chief of the archangels: “We may not participate in the morontia resurrection of the bestowal experience of Michael our sovereign, but we would have his mortal remains put in our custody for immediate dissolution. We do not propose to employ our technique of dematerialization; we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. It is enough that we have seen the Sovereign live and die on Urantia; the hosts of heaven would be spared the memory of enduring the sight of the slow decay of the human form of the Creator and Upholder of a universe. In the name of the celestial intelligences of all Nebadon, I ask for a mandate giving me the custody of the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth and empowering us to proceed with its immediate dissolution.”



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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:02 AM

Thanks Julian. You seem to be the only one who has an answer to my grave cloth question.

As to why the morontia body of Jesus was created in the tomb and not in the resurrection halls of the first mansion world I already speculated upon: because there was no soul or Adjuster to reunite, it apparently wasn't necessary to use the resurrection hall. However, we are told that mansonia number one, in some way, fostered the event, probably having something to do with the formation of the morontia body and mind matrix, is my best guess.

189:1.9 3. He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the morontia personalities of those who, as resurrected morontia ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system of Satania. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on Urantia was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

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Posted 09 April 2012 - 10:55 AM

Good day Bonita!

I think this is clear!

(2021.5) 189:1.6 Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

(2021.6) 189:1.7 1. His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

(2021.7) 189:1.8 2. He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Michael of Nebadon; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Urantia.

(2021.8) 189:1.9 3. He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the morontia personalities of those who, as resurrected morontia ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system of Satania. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master’s resurrection on Urantia was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.



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Posted 09 April 2012 - 12:21 PM

Sorry, again I :)

I realized that it is best to complete the previous point, it's wonderful!


The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High of Edentia for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled morontia groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the morontia Jesus: “Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise.”

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Urantia to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the morontia level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Urantia. This initiation into the morontia world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus — the morontia resurrection of the Son of Man — completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of morontia, and as he begins this morontia life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.(Page 2022)



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Posted 09 April 2012 - 03:25 PM

Hi As- Avobe- So- Below !
Sometimes I can not understand what you write, but do not worry!.
Neither do I know how to write well in English and translators are not very good.
But this leads me to think of something, it is our desire to communicate! other
consequence of mobilizing of the UB.
Who is forcing us? :)

I hope I have understood at this time
If so, I think the UB. is an extra-ordinary Revelation, is so great that escapes our
consciousness,gives us everything.However happens to me I appear flashes that seem to catch their immensity.I would not have imagined a few years ago I would have this feeling and I would know so
many things with which I identify many and profound wonders of creation in general and life of Jesus in particular!
With regard to death I think there is a vast difference between the mystery before and now
I know more...
An old saying "fear is the last enemy to be defeated"

But this world we must take it as real, though we're in a relative reality, in the space-time.
Is our experimental school and we should learn here. Just as Jesus did, just as Jesus lived his human life, and also within our power, to learn his spiritual life, of couse; but not the same, we must live our own experiences, although we have the advantage based in his teaching.


Love...


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Edited by Alina, 09 April 2012 - 03:54 PM.


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:50 PM

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