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Posted 10 July 2011 - 04:12 PM

43:4.9 Since the triumph of Christ, all Norlatiadek is being cleansed of sin and rebels. Sometime before Michaelís death in the flesh the fallen Luciferís associate, satan, sought to attend such an Edentia conclave, but the solidification of sentiment against the archrebels had reached the point where the doors of sympathy were so well-nigh universally closed that there could be found no standing ground for the satania adversaries. When there exists no open door for the reception of evil, there exists no opportunity for the entertainment of sin. The doors of the hearts of all Edentia closed against satan; he was unanimously rejected by the assembled System Sovereigns, and it was at this time that the Son of Man ďbeheld satan fall as lightning from heaven.Ē


it's hard to figure about this coincidence of the solidification of sentiment against the archrebels had reached the point where the doors of sympathy were so well-nigh universally closed at the time of jesus' life, in other words, why wasn't it sooner, did they have to wait until the sovereign was in almost full power?

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 12:03 AM

You gota remember that time works differently there than it does here. In their reality a being who is living on these beautiful worlds it would have been just a moment since satan began his way's into death and destruction, where as on our world time seem's to go by so slowly lol. A day there is much longer than a day here.

From the perspective of a Havona Native or Finaliter human the entire process would seem instantanous. It is hard to imagine that we will in short time advance past these world's, these being's and place's already seem so incredible and heavenly.

Another thing to consider to is that none of these beings have Thought Adjuster's. I am not saying we are better than they are, but they do not have the incredible morale compass that we have, they have to rely on divine minds and experience to guide them. Where as we have the most divine being in the universe indwelling us.

Amazing to think that an adjuster fused mortal is incapable of sin, when there are beings billion's of year old who are tempted by sin. Which was the case with Satan and Lucifer and many of their follower's.

Edited by boomshuka, 16 July 2011 - 12:11 AM.

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 06:58 AM

HI Brothers ~ rich an Boom :)

'' The doors of the hearts of '' ALL'' Edentia closed against satan; he was unanimously rejected by the assembled System Sovereigns,''

The Key Word Here Is ALL ~ '' ALL'' Edentia closed against satan
AND HE WAS '' unanimously rejected ''
by the assembled System Sovereigns,''

The System Sovereigns Decision Was Unanimous Against
Any Possibility of Even Allowing His Presence in their Mist
Nor Even Considering to Listen To ANYTHING That He Might Have To Say .
Because of the Fact that He Followed His Associate Lucifer and His Manifesto .
He Was Cosmicly Insane ~ So Why even Bother to listen to the Insane Ramblings
of B.S Spewing Forth from Madmen And Their Evil Manifesto that Denied an Rubuked
Even the Existance of Our Fathers Personalty of Love .

Quote Boom
'' Amazing to think that an adjuster fused mortal is incapable of sin, when there are beings billion's of year old who are tempted by sin.''

I Think its Rare But A Possibility That that an adjuster fused mortal IS Capable of Sin.

We Will Still Have The Freewill Choice to Choose .
NO Being in the Universe can Ever Take our Gift of Freewill Away From Us Ever .

Anyone else think Its A Possibility ?

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Edited by Coop, 16 July 2011 - 07:07 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2011 - 10:43 AM

Quote Boom
'' Amazing to think that an adjuster fused mortal is incapable of sin, when there are beings billion's of year old who are tempted by sin.''

I Think its Rare But A Possibility That that an adjuster fused mortal IS Capable of Sin.

We Will Still Have The Freewill Choice to Choose .
NO Being in the Universe can Ever Take our Gift of Freewill Away From Us Ever .

Anyone else think Its A Possibility ?


No, I don't think it is, at least not according to the following quotes which say that fusion is the result of making a final and IRREVOCABLE choice to live the Father's will. In order to sin you have to be disloyal and go against the Father's will. Fusion is an irrevocable choice that a person cannot go back on; it cannot be reversed. You cannot unfuse. At least TUB doesn't give us any indication to think that that is possible.

5:1.11 Mortal man may draw near God and may repeatedly forsake the divine will so long as the power of choice remains. Manís final doom is not sealed until he has lost the power to choose the Fatherís will. There is never a closure of the Fatherís heart to the need and the petition of his children. Only do his offspring close their hearts forever to the Fatherís drawing power when they finally and forever lose the desire to do his divine will ó to know him and to be like him. Likewise is manís eternal destiny assured when Adjuster fusion proclaims to the universe that such an ascender has made the final and irrevocable choice to live the Fatherís will.

111:3.1 The mistakes of mortal mind and the errors of human conduct may markedly delay the evolution of the soul, although they cannot inhibit such a morontia phenomenon when once it has been initiated by the indwelling Adjuster with the consent of the creature will. But at any time prior to mortal death this same material and human will is empowered to rescind such a choice and to reject survival. Even after survival the ascending mortal still retains this prerogative of choosing to reject eternal life; at any time before fusion with the Adjuster the evolving and ascending creature can choose to forsake the will of the Paradise Father. Fusion with the Adjuster signalizes the fact that the ascending mortal has eternally and unreservedly chosen to do the Fatherís will.

112:7.4 When fusion with the Adjuster has been effected, there can be no future danger to the eternal career of such a personality. Celestial beings are tested throughout a long experience, but mortals pass through a relatively short and intensive testing on the evolutionary and morontia worlds.

112:7.5 Fusion with the Adjuster never occurs until the mandates of the superuniverse have pronounced that the human nature has made a final and irrevocable choice for the eternal career.



And again, in the following quote, the mortals on the mansion worlds who had not yet fused with their Adjusters were the ones who fell during the Lucifer Rebellion. The ascendant citizens on Jerusem did not participate in sin. To be called an ascendant citizen on Jerusem usually means that fusion has taken place. We are not called ascending sons until after fusion.

53:7.10 The ascending mortals were vulnerable, but they withstood the sophistries of rebellion better than the lower spirits. While many on the lower mansion worlds, those who had not attained final fusion with their Adjusters, fell, it is recorded to the glory of the wisdom of the ascension scheme that not a single member of the Satania ascendant citizenship resident on Jerusem participated in the Lucifer rebellion.



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Posted 16 July 2011 - 12:59 PM

Hi Bonita B)

I Understand What Your Sayin And Agree .
What Im thinking Is That Even though We Attain the Spiritual Level
and Gift Of Fusion and That We Make that Final and '' irrevocable choice'' ,
That Fusion Doesnt Automaticly Make Us Perfect Beings .
Were Still Not Perfect Beings YET . We Still Will Need To Follow The Path
To Fathers Paradise Abode Throne .

And On The Way There , I Think That theres A Possiblity That Somehow in Some Way
Someone's Bound To Trip and Fall and Make a Few Mistakes an Errors
And Maybe Even A Sin Along the Way Meet Father .

I Got a Gut Feeling that Even After Fusion That Somehow in Some Way
Im Going To Screw At least Something Up .
I May Be , Say , Put in Charge of Watching and Guarding
Some Small simple Room That Has Only One Red Button ,
And Told To Not to let Anything Touch IT .
Yet , That Somehow in Some Way , Maybe By Me Kicking a Mop Bucket
And The Mop Handle Will End Up Hitting The Big Red Button ! lol

Maybe Theres Another Word For Sin , Like Imperfection ?

Sin Happens .

Edited by Coop, 16 July 2011 - 01:18 PM.


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Posted 16 July 2011 - 01:51 PM

Naawwh You ain't gonna sin after you fuse. Sin has to be deliberate and conscious. Booboos don't count. In other words, you would have pick up the mop and hit the red button and then say, "The devil made me do it."

Ain't gonna happen.

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Posted 16 July 2011 - 07:23 PM

Thought Adjuster's in terms of divinity are the most divine being's in the universe they are on par with the highest spiritual beings in the universe as far as integrity and character is concerned (not including the 3 persons of trinity). These being's are much more divine than I think alot of U.B reader's realize. They are incredibly more divine than beings like lucifer etc,. Lucifer would represent about the halfway point of created being's I believe that is mentioned in the u.b. Thought adjusters come directly from god. So if you take a look at the spectrum inbetween the 2 beings there is a HUGE gulf in divinity. We literlaly have the most divine and powerfull being that can be bestowed.

Long story short its good to be human B)

Edited by boomshuka, 16 July 2011 - 07:24 PM.

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Posted 17 July 2011 - 12:02 AM

After fusion it probably is possible to be guilty of doing "less than your best" that is to perform a task imperfectly. Think about the word you are using, fusion...


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Posted 18 July 2011 - 04:51 PM

hi coop. somewhere in the book they say that all beings would welcome having a thought adjuster, but they are just for mortals. it's interesting to ponder having a being from the universal father in us whereas other orders of sonship don't.

You gota remember that time works differently there than it does here. In their reality a being who is living on these beautiful worlds it would have been just a moment since satan began his way's into death and destruction, where as on our world time seem's to go by so slowly lol. A day there is much longer than a day here.

From the perspective of a Havona Native or Finaliter human the entire process would seem instantanous. It is hard to imagine that we will in short time advance past these world's, these being's and place's already seem so incredible and heavenly.

Another thing to consider to is that none of these beings have Thought Adjuster's. I am not saying we are better than they are, but they do not have the incredible morale compass that we have, they have to rely on divine minds and experience to guide them. Where as we have the most divine being in the universe indwelling us.

Amazing to think that an adjuster fused mortal is incapable of sin, when there are beings billion's of year old who are tempted by sin. Which was the case with Satan and Lucifer and many of their follower's.



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Posted 19 July 2011 - 12:06 AM

Yeah , Theres NO Such Thing As A Accidental SIN .

After Fusion Could the Person Even Have A Sinful Thought ?

IF So Would that thought Be Considerd A SIN ?




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